you know sometimes i like to read the stage discussion threads when i'm bored, because i usually get some sort of entertainment out of them either from trolls or from the initial argument by the person who wants the stage legal.
what i want to know, is what is the point of arguing for these stages? say ps2 gets unbanned. maybe one or two matches each tournament will take place on ps2. big deal! who cares? the player who wins on the neutral typically wins the set and the cp doesn't even matter anyways. what character would pick this stage as a cp over ANY OTHER STAGE? who does it even help?
what legit, high tier char, is going to pick this level? who NEEDS this to be legal as a cp?
(personally i think this stage is ******** and should be banned, but i could care less if it becomes legal, because what matters is the neutral and my cp. i would never argue against allowing any stage because i simply don't see these ridiculous stages as mattering in the grand scheme of a tournament.)
Ok, first of all, you know what the main goal is? It's not getting PS2 legal. It's destroying
this mindset: "I think it's ******** and should be banned for no other reason than me not liking it".
Second of all, PS2 should not only be legal, but a starter. I hope that's been made fairly clear. The whole point of this thread is to inform various people that the stage is legit; to tell TOs information that they're missing and get players to tell
their TOs to legalize it. Why should PS2 be banned in your opinion? What makes the stage less legitimate than PS1 or Smashville?
Thirdly, who cares about the high tiers? They
have their counterpicks. What about Lucas, Yoshi, Sheik... The chars who like this stage and don't necessarily have that many better counterpicks. At the last german tournament, Make Some neuss (80 entrants, very big deal in europe) PS2 was my go-to counterpick because people
flat-out did not know the stage (plus, RC was not legal). I played a snake in brackets and he literally banned PS2 instead of Brinstar against me. No ****! I had similar experiences throughout the tournament. If you don't see why this is a good thing...
I was winning because people did not know how to deal with a legitimate gameplay element. It's akin to, say, losing to a Sheik, or a Lucas because you've never played the matchup before. It spurns players to continue to improve, and simply
know more about the game. When you ban this stage, you lose that added depth and skill requirement in favor of? With a stage like PTAD I could understand that you lose that added depth in favor of higher character viability (it can be very polarizing in several matchups). With PS2, you lose that depth in favor of... not having that depth. There's literally no real upside to doing this beyond "the players don't like it".
Seriously, what's your argument? "This isn't worth discussing because it makes no difference"? It damn well does make a difference, especially for disenfranchised players like myself who love the stage, will counterpick you to the stage quite often, who have the arguments and data supporting the stage not only as a legal stage but as one of the most fair and balanced starters in the entire game, but still have to see it banned in most tournaments. The more TOs actually look at this and say "Hey, you know, this makes sense!", the better off we are.
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oh wait the reason is stuff like "I would rather have Mushroom Kingdom allowed because at least it doesn't effect my fall speed" lol