Pokémon Black and White (WARNING: SPOILERS)

[Pluvia]

Yeah it glows in the videos. It's standing animation.

 

[PowerBomb]

Oh wow, starters can even have alternate abilities...

What do you guys think some of the alternate abilities will be?

 

[UltiMario]

Blastoise: Shell Armor

Really, it's stupid, but obvious.

 

[PowerBomb]

I'm almost certain one of the fire starters will get Flash Fire.

 

[crashic alt]

My wishlist:

Blastoise: Thick Fat
Charizard: Intimidate
Venesaur: Natrual Cure

Fraligator: Water Veil
Typholsian: Flash Fire
chickoreta: Flower Gift

Mudkip: Earthquake Spiral
Fire chicken: Quick Feet
Sceptile: Herbivore

Peliper: Battle Armor
Torterra: Earthquake Spiral
Infernape: Guts

 

[UberMario]

Bulbasaur = Chlorophyll
Ivysaur/Venusaur (after evolving from alt-ability Bulbasaur) = Effect Spore
Charmander/Charmeleon = Flash Fire
Charizard (after evolving from alt-ability Charmeleon) = Intimidate
Squirtle/Wartortle = Swift Swim
Blastoise (after evolving from alt-ability Wartortle) = Shell Armor
Chikorita/Bayleef = Leaf Guard
Meganium = Solar Power
Cyndaquil/Quilava/Typhlosion = Flame Body
Totodile/Croconaw = Vital Spirit
Feraligatr = Intimidate
Treecko/Grovyle/Sceptile = Keen Eye
Torchic/Combusken/Blaziken = Early Bird
Mudkip/Marshtomp = Dry Skin
Swampert = Damp
Turtwig = Chlorophyll
Grotle/Torterra = Shell Armor
Chimchar/Monferno/Infernape = Flame Body
Piplup/Prinplup/Empoleon = Damp
Smugleaf/Grinleaf = Shed Skin
Smirkobra = Intimidate (just so each starter-type has one pokemon with the move)
Baycon/Porkindle = Flash Fire
Pignite = Magma Armor
Wotter/Lutrain = Drizzle
Muscimitar = Keen Eye

Discuss?

It'd also be cool if the other pokemon were named this (just so I can say I called it if they do happen ):

Chillarmy = Chillarmy
Munna = Toypir
Musharma = Dreamir
Gear = Sprocogs
Mamepato = Dovadee
Hatooboo = Dovin
3rd Pigeon = Dovyne
Darumaka = Baboonka
Hihidaruma = Flampe
Shimama = Zapbra
Meguroko = Geckodile
Rankurusu = Paraman
Gochiruzeru = Gothea (if it's only female, if not then Gothem)
Koromori = Chireart
Kibago = Kibago (Can't really see it using a new name honestly)
Minezumi = Meerchip
Miruhoggu = Meergoose
Wooguru = Wargle
Gigaiasu = Oregre
Emonga = Emonga (nearly all of the Pikachu mimics, including Pikachu himself, are the same in Japan)
Mamanbou = Sympafin (Sympathize [along with the Discus genus, Symphysodon] + fin)
Shikijika = Seasotain [Season + Chevrotain]
Swana = Swana
Moguryu = Molclaw
2nd Mole = Molslice
Doryuuzu = Molgash
Kurumiru = Inchleaf (Not going to bother guessing evolutions)
Ononokusu = Mantaxe
Desukan = Sarcophear
Denchuru = Bitanchula
Basuaro = Oscarred
Tabuune = Felisidad
Zorua, Zoroark, Victini, Reshiram, Zekrom = Same

 

[PowerBomb]

Feraligatr with Water Veil would be awesome. It can't have its attack lowered so it laughs at Will-o-Wisp. Paralysis is still annoying though.

 

[Chill]

I came here to type 'wouldn't it be cool if the starters got new abilities from the dream world?' , then I decided to check pokebeach first.

And no, I will not attribute this to some prophetic ability like half the people on this site do.

 

[Kofu]

I don't like it. Starters are supposed to have their boosting abilities. ;___________;
Oh well, nothing I can do about it.

 

[Dart!]

so what all is known so far?/link me to a site plox...i think it's called serebii.net?

 

[PowerBomb]

I don't like it. Starters are supposed to have their boosting abilities. ;___________;
Oh well, nothing I can do about it.

You can do something about it.

You can not catch starters in the Dream World.

Hey, is the dream world DSi exclusive?

 

[ndayday]

so what all is known so far?/link me to a site plox...i think it's called serebii.net?

http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/

On the right site under "Sections" is like everything.

 

[Night-san]

Yes. www.serebii.net/index2
Or www.pokebeach.com if you prefer.


EDIT: Ninjask'd. x3

 

[Kofu]

You can do something about it.

You can not catch starters in the Dream World.

Hey, is the dream world DSi exclusive?

The fact remains that they can still have the alternate abilities, and that's what I'm annoyed about.

I hope it's not DSi exclusive, I've just got my old DS. I do seem to remember some news saying something was DSi exclusive, so... :/

 

[Chill]

I'd rather they get new abilities. I think it's better than giving every starter the same generic trait. It's like how they gave all of the gen 1 and 2 legends pressure. Lame. I'd like to see a lot of the old pokemon reworked with unqiue abilities.

Giving the starters new stuff to work with could increase their competitive value. Venasaur with Solar power or poison heal, Meganium with natural cure, Feraligatr with intimidate, Torterra with solid rock, etc.

 

[UltiMario]

You can't be Poison Type if you want to have Poison Heal, it requires you getting Poisoned.

 

[Pluvia]

Hopefully they give the first 2 gen Legends new abilities then.

Also, I can think of lots of abilities new Pokes could have. One that stops priority, one that's identical to Magic Coat.

Ok so I can think of two.

 

[crashic alt]

Rock Absorb

Heals 25 damage from rock attacks. This includes Stealth Rocks.

 

[PowerBomb]

Rock Absorb

Heals 25 damage from rock attacks. This includes Stealth Rocks.

Let's give this to Charizard so we can troll.

 

[UberMario]

Rock Absorb

Heals 25 damage from rock attacks. This includes Stealth Rocks.

I think "Accumulate" has a better ring to it, but interesting idea.

 

[Wrath`]

I think a good ability for this metagame would be an Auto Rapid Spin ability, so you don't have to sacrifice a moveslot.

 

[UltiMario]

Rapid Spin is Normal and ghosts are immune to it for a reason, the Same reason why Miltank doesn't get it with Scrappy.

Nintendo knows Rapid Spin is a good move, so they need something to balance it out. An Auto Rapid-Spin would break this, and make every single hazard move they made pointless, seeing as they would be completely useless with this Pokemon in play.

 

[firelord767]

I think a good ability for this metagame would be an Auto Splash ability, so you don't have to sacrifice a moveslot.

Fixed

I think the metagame NEEDS this.

 

[Kofu]

Rapid Spin is Normal and ghosts are immune to it for a reason, the Same reason why Miltank doesn't get it with Scrappy.

Nintendo knows Rapid Spin is a good move, so they need something to balance it out. An Auto Rapid-Spin would break this, and make every single hazard move they made pointless, seeing as they would be completely useless with this Pokemon in play.

But then why make it so exclusive? If they know that Rapid Spin is so important, then wouldn't they also know how omnipresent entry hazards are?

 

[UltiMario]

Yes, but then they get rid of ALL threat of entry hazards entirely by making a Pokemon that can just get rid of them without the people that spent turns setting up the hazards being able to do anything about it.

That's why Rapid Spin has an immunity.

 

[crashic alt]

Pokemon with Thick Fat shouldn't be damaged by hail.

 

[UberMario]

Pokemon with Thick Fat shouldn't be damaged by hail.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand this logic, you can still hit fat things on the head and it will hurt them.

 

[M.K]

I'm sorry, but I don't understand this logic, you can still hit fat things on the head and it will hurt them.

Problem is, the move Hail is a conundrum already.

If we assume that the Pokemon get damaged by being pelted physically, then Ice-types wouldn't be immune to the physical effect of shards of ice slamming into them.

If we assume that the Pokemon get damaged by the ice of the Hail, then Pokemon with Thick Fat, certain types resistant to Ice, and some other Pokemon wouldn't be hurt by Hail.

 

[Wave⁂]

That's under the assumption that Pokémon like Glaceon are simply chunks of ice that can move around. Perhaps all Ice-type Pokémon can absorb hail, but only certain ones (Walrein, Glalie) can convert the hail to health.

 

[M.K]

That's under the assumption that Pokémon like Glaceon are simply chunks of ice that can move around. Perhaps all Ice-type Pokémon can absorb hail, but only certain ones (Walrein, Glalie) can convert the hail to health.

Yes, in the same way that Torchic is a moving 18,000 *F Fireball

Things like Walrein make sense, being walruses often have to douse their skin to avoid constant sunburn/dry out of the skin. The hail melts, wets their skin, and helps them heal.

However, this brings up yet another point, as to what "HP" exactly measures.
There is nothing about Hail hitting you that would possibly "heal" a wound, a cut, a scrape, or eliminate fatigue. However, this is a whole different scenario that's not worth going into XD.

 

[Wave⁂]

Yeah, I think we're getting a bit too much into reality vs. magiks.

 

[M.K]

There's certainly a bit of justification for certain abilities, and then there's the wacky stuff (How exactly does a cow and a monster kangaroo have the ability to seek out and destroy ghosts ._.).
Pokemon is just all over the place! XD

 

[Pluvia]

Yes, but then they get rid of ALL threat of entry hazards entirely by making a Pokemon that can just get rid of them without the people that spent turns setting up the hazards being able to do anything about it.

That's why Rapid Spin has an immunity.

It takes one turn to set down SR. It takes one turn to use Rapid Spin. That seems pretty fair to me.

And TS and normal Spikes are already useless against a lot of things anyway.

 

[RuNNing Riot]

It takes one turn to set down SR. It takes one turn to use Rapid Spin. That seems pretty fair to me.

And TS and normal Spikes are already useless against a lot of things anyway.

In a lot of cases Toxic Spikes can be far more useful than both of them, and Spikes and Stealth Rock have great synergy. They only really become useful after a couple of turns of setup, though, which makes it two turns for (T)S to just one turn of Rapid Spin.

Perhaps they should make it that Rapid Spin only removes a single layer of each entry hazard or something.

 

[PowerBomb]

In a lot of cases Toxic Spikes can be far more useful than both of them, and Spikes and Stealth Rock have great synergy. They only really become useful after a couple of turns of setup, though, which makes it two turns for (T)S to just one turn of Rapid Spin.

Perhaps they should make it that Rapid Spin only removes a single layer of each entry hazard or something.

Then they should make it Ice-typed so it isn't completely bad and can hit ghosts.

 

[Wrath`]

What we need is a move that actually causes freeze 100% of the time.

 

[M.K]

They would have to reinvent the Freeze condition then.

"Freeze" truly is the penultimate status move.

God Tier

Freeze

High Tier

Sleep
Paralysis
Badly Poisoned
Burned

Middle Tier

Poisoned


Low Tier

Confusion
Attraction

 

[Wrath`]

They wouldn't need to tweak it, just create a Freeze Clause.

I think Parafusion is more annoying that freeze.

 

[E123-omega]

I don't get why nobody uses attract, it renders the opponent useless and forces switching. Not to mention is just plain funny to use.

 

[Wrath`]

I don't get why nobody uses attract, it renders the opponent useless and forces switching. Not to mention is just plain funny to use.

Cause there is less then a 25% of it being sucsessful.

You have a 50% chance they are the opposite sex, and then genderless flux you up. After that there is only a 50% chance of infatuation. It just is not worth it in the end. It would good if it was universal (Gay pokemon). Witch I don't see why it shouldn't be, but that might just be the factor that keeps it balanced