PM Arts and Alts Thread

[Trinsic]

I totally agree - if you start getting into multiple model swaps for costumes, it starts to feel real "fan-mod"ish.

Personally, I do a lot of that stuff. My Marth, for example, has about 4 other characters on him.

But I feel like since the PMBR is so legit and wants to maintain that level of professionalism, it makes more sense for them to pick one Samus suit and give that a bunch of recolors.

I disagree, and I don't think your comparison to Marth is really apt. Making Marth into different characters feels fanmode-ish, imo, because you're making him into entirely different characters - this is the same thing someone from the PMBR said they wouldn't do. But with Samus's suits, they're all stuff she herself has worn in her actual games, and she isn't a different character at all when you switch costumes. She's still Samus in the Light Suit as much as she is in the PED Suit.

 

[Phaiyte]

You sure?

That's some pretty seamless editing then...

I don't know where the input would be mapped, but it certainly looks as though he can switch back and forth. Maybe a back room member can clarify?

Most of the stuff in Turbo Tuesdays is TAS'd

 

[Phaiyte]

It means any sane Pikachu player will exclusively use Party hat Alt. Costumes.

I'm a goggles fan, myself though

 

[CardiganBoy]

PMBR: Just make sure to put Melee Ganondorf as an Alt Costume for Ganondorf in demo 3.0 please.

Thats all i want.......

 

[MagnesD3]

Mewtwo metal costume from anime and charizard x costume for charizard.

 

[lag comp]

I may be the minority but am I the only one who prefers palette swaps over alt costumes?
I don't like the feel playing a character with a different costume, I need somehow to adjust myself of playing the same character because I'm not used to it's sprite. But with palette swaps I don't have that feeling and personally I like playing characters with cool looking color palettes.

I could also just delete any alt costume to suit my liking but I think the PMBR staff should leave alt costumes to the discret of players if they want to add and use alt costumes for their personal preference. For myself, don't like the idea of playing with an armored mewtwo or an vaati alt for toon link or anything the sort.

 

[Xenozoa425]

I may be the minority but am I the only one who prefers palette swaps over alt costumes?
I don't like the feel playing a character with a different costume, I need somehow to adjust myself of playing the same character because I'm not used to it's sprite. But with palette swaps I don't have that feeling and personally I like playing characters with cool looking color palettes.

I could also just delete any alt costume to suit my liking but I think the PMBR staff should leave alt costumes to the discret of players if they want to add and use alt costumes for their personal preference. For myself, don't like the idea of playing with an armored mewtwo or an vaati alt for toon link or anything the sort.

Exactly how I feel about characters like Link, Toon Link, Samus, etc.

Dr. Mario, Lodestar Marth, Vanguard/Hero Ike, Daisy/Rosalina, they can work, but I'd prefer recolors instead as well.

 

[OrangeSodaGuy]

All of the Zelda characters (Link, Zelda, Ganon, and Sheik, at the very least) need Ocarina of Time skins.

As for Marth, I can't be the only one who would like to see a Celice costume. Not a skin, but just the same outfit that Celice wore in FE4:

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An Eliwood Cosume for Roy (again, just the outfit, not a full-blown skin) would also be nice:

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It would also be neat to see Ness in his pajamas as an Alt:

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And/or and alternate Ness costume... (EARTHBOUND SPOILERS AHEAD)

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[batistabus]

My top hopes for this engine.

1. Alternate costumes are just that; ALTERNATE COSTUMES. Not Alternate characters (Koopa costume for Squirtle), and not alternate versions of characters (Melee-style Fox/Falco or OoT Link/Ganon)
2. There is a single alternate costume for every character. It's only fair, right? A limit of one per character (with alternate colors) to prevent overload.
3. Mewtwo's armor.
3. C. Falcon with an erection
3. In the instance where a character doesn't have an alternate costume, get creative PMBR.

 

[MVP]

post ^

the zelda ones are good, but i'm not to excited bout those FE ones

 

[MVP]

ARMORED MEWTWO!!!

 

[batistabus]

ARMORED MEWTWO!!!

Quoting a giant image AND double post? You're off your game, Fox.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Dreams come true in mewtwos turbo video they confirmed mewtwos armor as an alternate costume

 

[GigasOverlord]

Also, I'll just be egotistical and say it. I CALLED ARMORED MEWTWO!

 

[Xenozoa425]

It's StarWaffle's model after all, so of course the armor was going to be the alt.

 

[OrangeSodaGuy]

the zelda ones are good, but i'm not to excited bout those FE ones

Only suggested those because the Jugdral FE's get absolutely NO love in Smash, and because Eliwood as a full-on character would be redundant. It would still be nice to see Eliwood get a nod, considering that his is the first FE to be released internationally.

 

[Fortress]

I disagree, and I don't think your comparison to Marth is really apt. Making Marth into different characters feels fanmode-ish, imo, because you're making him into entirely different characters - this is the same thing someone from the PMBR said they wouldn't do. But with Samus's suits, they're all stuff she herself has worn in her actual games, and she isn't a different character at all when you switch costumes. She's still Samus in the Light Suit as much as she is in the PED Suit.

See, that's the 'gray area' sort of situation I find myself in. For somebody like Link, or Marth, I'd love just a single model with multiple recolors. For a character like Samus, I'd much prefer to see her multitude of amazing Chozo hardware on the field. I'm really just caught in the middle.

I can see what Xinc meant, though, and I feel the same; having a character with umpteen-thousand models of different characters (ex: Sora over Marth) would just feel 'unprofessional' and not 'right' in this weird way. That's what I feel like Xinc was trying to get across.

This is a really weird and touchy thing, the alt costume discussion.

 

[Fortress]

An Eliwood Cosume for Roy (again, just the outfit, not a full-blown skin) would also be nice:

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I liked Eliwood a lot in his Fire Emblem title, but I think his main character flaw was that he wasn't Hector.

Tell me that this man's man just isn't the right choice. In fact, tell me why every character shouldn't have a Hector alt? I mean, c'mon, man... it's Hector.

 

[GigasOverlord]

Fortress, I would insanely love a PMBR made Hector alt for Ike with the Wolf Beil and everything.

 

[Fortress]

Fortress, I would insanely love a PMBR made Hector alt for Ike with the Wolf Beil and everything.

There's in incredible Hector model out there on the Vault, it's all I use for Ike. Erm, I mean, Hector. The only qualms I really have are that the axe is absolutely gigantic (not respecting hitboxes and whatnot), and that I can't throw him on every other character.

That mighty axe gives me confidence as Ike, and there's that intimidation factor. Seriously. I could start up a four-player game at the house with the roommates, set the controller down and grab something to eat, come back, and Hector will have at least four kills with zero input.

You can't prepare yo'self for Hector.

 

[Xinc]

I liked Eliwood a lot in his Fire Emblem title, but I think his main character flaw was that he wasn't Hector.

Tell me that this man's man just isn't the right choice. In fact, tell me why every character shouldn't have a Hector alt? I mean, c'mon, man... it's Hector.

Because Axes? xD

Personally a Lucina Alt for Marth might make a lot more sense (because they have similar stature and style... well... kind of...)

Also was there any alt costume at TBH3?

 

[HyperrCrow]

Also was there any alt costume at TBH3?

Only Doc

 

[Raccoon Chuck]

A Lucina Alt. for Marth is a little out there for legal reasons. Don't let that hold back a suggestion that you believe would be free of a C&D flag (I:E has some mention in Brawl, something that by some sick twist of fate, Awakening does not have.), as many of these suggestions have been excellent, and legally viable. I'm still calling FE:12 Marth, and Eliwood Attire Roy, but feel free to disagree.

Edit: FE:12 is fair game, because it's a remake!!!!!1 Huzzah!!!!!!

 

[Xinc]

A Lucina Alt. for Marth is a little out there for legal reasons. Don't let that hold back a suggestion that you believe would be free of a C&D flag (I:E has some mention in Brawl, something that by some sick twist of fate, Awakening does not have.), as many of these suggestions have been excellent, and legally viable. I'm still calling FE:12 Marth, and Eliwood Attire Roy, but feel free to disagree.

Edit: FE:12 is fair game, because it's a remake!!!!!1 Huzzah!!!!!!

Yeah, I was wondering if C&Ds would chase after alt costumes as well... I really don't know what to say here asides from if not Lucina then a swordsmaster-esque character for Marth's Alternate costume.

 

[Fortress]

I'm telling you guys, pantsless Classic Marth, from the NES days.

 

[Toxicroaker]

Toon Link with his conductor outfit :D

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Crazy idea, but just throwing it out there. Hear me out! Maybe Marth's alternate costume should be Marth wearing a different costume, and not a totally different character.

 

[red9rd]

Toon Link with his conductor outfit :D

Toon link with the Minish Cap/ Mask on also

Or in a Vaati costume

 

[Fortress]

Crazy idea, but just throwing it out there. Hear me out! Maybe Marth's alternate costume should be Marth wearing a different costume, and not a totally different character.

How's about Shadow Dragon Marth?

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[HyperrCrow]

Or in a Vaati costume
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I like this guy

 

[#HBC | Joker]

How's about Shadow Dragon Marth?

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is.. is that different at all?

I think this Awakening Marth texture Shun has up on Brawl Vault is pretty sexy

 

[Fortress]

What's wrong with Link staying Link? Didn't we have that huge argument about it, like, four pages back?

is.. is that different at all?

I think this Awakening Marth texture Shun has up on Brawl Vault is pretty sexy

See, I kept thinking the same thing after I posted it. I guess the middle part of the outfit is much different, and hangs down in a different way. The pants are baggier, Falchion looks different, and it just looks less... armored. It's not allthat different at first glance, I can see that.

 

[red9rd]

What's wrong with Link staying Link? Didn't we have that huge argument about it, like, four pages back?



See, I kept thinking the same thing after I posted it. I guess the middle part of the outfit is much different, and hangs down in a different way. The pants are baggier, Falchion looks different, and it just looks less... armored. It's not allthat different at first glance, I can see that.

You rather not have him have an alternate costume?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Toon link with the Minish Cap/ Mask on also

Or in a Vaati costume

You do realize that it's basically confirmed that Toon Link's costume is Outset Link (aka Pajama Link?) from the begining of WW, right? Like, they showed a silhouette that looks EXACTLY like Outset Link. There's really no question about it, it's pretty much soft confirmed.

 

[Fortress]

Also, just wanting to throw this out here again, right from the Project M homepage.

"First and foremost as a game mod, we are still under certain legal obligations and restrictions. To stay in Nintendo's good graces and to avoid attracting Cease & Desist letters from 3rd party companies, we are limiting our choice of new characters to those that Nintendo has already licensed for inclusion in Brawl. In other words, that restricts us to characters that already appear in the game in some way, such as trophies, assists, or stickers. Additionally, to avoid appearing as competition to Smash U/3DS sales in Nintendo's eyes, we do not have any plans to try to "back port" any new Smash 4 characters to Project M."

Not that I don't like the Awakening characters or artwork, myself, but I think that this limits what the PMBR can do in terms of legality.

 

[red9rd]

You do realize that it's basically confirmed that Toon Link's costume is Outset Link (aka Pajama Link?) from the begining of WW, right? Like, they showed a silhouette that looks EXACTLY like Outset Link. There's really no question about it. It's pretty much soft confirmed.

But can't I dream? Can't I?

 

[Fortress]

You rather not have him have an alternate costume?

You do realize that it's basically confirmed that Toon Link's costume is Outset Link (aka Pajama Link?) from the begining of WW, right? Like, they showed a silhouette that looks EXACTLY like Outset Link. There's really no question about it, it's pretty much soft confirmed.

Basically that. Myself and some others mentioned it pages and pages ago, during the Great Sealing War of Page Eleven (or wherever it was).

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Personally, I'd prefer that you keep those dreams to yourself, so people can look through the thread for things that actually stand a chance. But if you must clutter the thread, please post your gigantic fullscreen images in collapse tags.

 

[red9rd]

Also, just wanting to throw this out here again, right from the Project M homepage.

"First and foremost as a game mod, we are still under certain legal obligations and restrictions. To stay in Nintendo's good graces and to avoid attracting Cease & Desist letters from 3rd party companies, we are limiting our choice of new characters to those that Nintendo has already licensed for inclusion in Brawl. In other words, that restricts us to characters that already appear in the game in some way, such as trophies, assists, or stickers. Additionally, to avoid appearing as competition to Smash U/3DS sales in Nintendo's eyes, we do not have any plans to try to "back port" any new Smash 4 characters to Project M."

Not that I don't like the Awakening characters or artwork, myself, but I think that this limits what the PMBR can do in terms of legality.

I thought that only stood for characters and not anything else. costumes/stages and thats why we have a Castlevania stage.

 

[Fortress]

At the top of page sixteen, there was a post in regards to Melee Ganondorf. I'm using a texture from the Vault at the moment that's spot on, and improved on. He's even got working expressions and everything.

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It's the hack by Kramendorf, and it's excellent. He's even got an awesome Mulletdorf/Young Ganondorf to boot. Plus, a Triforce emblem that appears on his hand during his Final Smash. What's not to love? MewTwo2000 did a really nice collab on one as well.