PKAY FIAH! ~ Ness MU Discussion [INDEX PAGE + Various Discussions]

[Delta-cod]

I know ADHD is good. He beat M2K tonight, lol.

Good players should have their opinions be more readily accepted than others, though the opinion of a player not within the top 4 shouldn't be discarded simply because one of the top 4 says otherwise.

But yeah, Banana tricks. They're scary. I played a good Diddy today and it's incredibly frightening what he can do.

 

[Yink]

I know ADHD is good. He beat M2K tonight, lol.

Good players should have their opinions be more readily accepted than others, though the opinion of a player not within the top 4 shouldn't be discarded simply because one of the top 4 says otherwise.

But yeah, Banana tricks. They're scary. I played a good Diddy today and it's incredibly frightening what he can do.

Diddy's Point of View:

grab banana > throw down banana > throw another one over you > jab (you "ness" have no where to go except up or back) > trip on the banana > fsmash

Mm...banana shenanigans.

 

[Chuee]

What tourney was tonight?

 

[Eagleye893]

I hate this matchup so much.... you have to play really defensively. But because you are on the defensive doesn't mean you are at a complete disadvantage. If you can adjust just enough so that you gain control of the bananas, you are in an advantageous situation.

shield when bananas are flying, jump when bananas are on the ground, nair or airdodge for grabbing nannerz, fair defensively when bananas are out of the area.... don't play into any traps of diddy players. His whole game is based on trapping you into a bad situation, but greatly assisted by his overall good move-set, containing lots of quick starting moves.

45:55, in favor of diddy, but if you aren't the greatest at reading your opponent it would be 40:60 in favor of diddy.

 

[Delta-cod]

What tourney was tonight?

Wiegraf, in New Jersey. I went and placed pretty high with solo Yoshi.

A word of advice, if a Diddy throws a banana at your shield, you can jump to catch it.

 

[Eagleye893]

Wiegraf, in New Jersey. I went and placed pretty high with solo Yoshi.

A word of advice, if a Diddy throws a banana at your shield, you can jump to catch it.

I was thinking that but forgot to say it.... thanks! so useful.

 

[Yink]

I'll upload the new MUs tomorrow guys.

EDIT: WOO 800 POSTS. Man I post too much.

 

[Chuee]

I post more than you.

 

[Y.b.M.]

Check out Smash 64 doin it big with Ness http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzznhFfxLAI

 

[Zatchiel]

Trolololol

 

[Zatchiel]

Edit: Infracted for Multi-Posting.

 

[Delta-cod]

I smell a troll.

And I doubt you could beat me with Mother's Boys.

 

[Yink]

I smell a troll.

And I doubt you could beat me with Mother's Boys.

Dude, don't fuel the troll's interests. He's not even being a good troll.

*waits for Levitas*

 

[Levitas]

lol, it's not my fault lucas perfected is better than you guys.

In all seriousness though, let's not get into something as dumb as a "I'm better than you" kind of fight.

Take that stuff to brawl tactical, and put it a new thread called "Dear Ankoku: please ban me". Wait, that would be a bad idea.

 

[Chuee]

Guys Lucas Perfected.
Is amazing














JK he's obv a troll

 

[rPSIvysaur]

lol, it's not my fault lucas perfected is better than you guys.

In all seriousness though, let's not get into something as dumb as a "I'm better than you" kind of fight.

Take that stuff to brawl tactical, and put it a new thread called "Dear Ankoku: please ban me". Wait, that would be a fun and entertaining idea.

Corrected :D

 

[Delta-cod]

Corrected :D

My thoughts exactly.

I love you. <3

 

[smash64]

Check out Smash 64 doin it big with Ness http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzznhFfxLAI

lol I didn't see this coming but thanks bro for making this

God Kais!!!

 

[Uffe]

There is someone where I am living at the moment that reminds me of Y.b.M.

 

[Eagleye893]

I played Y.b.M once on wifi... Maybe this explains why I got destroyed when I tried to go Kirby dittos....

are we discussing somebody...

 

[Yink]

I played Y.b.M once on wifi... Maybe this explains why I got destroyed when I tried to go Kirby dittos....

are we discussing somebody...

Yeah, sorry. I was just updating the first page. X_X ...

We're now discussing ONLY Ganondorf. Then we will start rediscussing everyone...Like Snake. Why did we (in our old MU discussion of him) put him at 60:40? It should be lower.

*waits for Delta to make the Ness vs Ganon thread*

 

[Uffe]

^^^ I like the sound of that. Especially since you're pretty experienced against Snake. At least I think so. I wish I could play Joker. I never got to play V-TEK's Snake for a long while.

 

[Chuee]

Ness v Snake is 60-40. Trust me on this one.

 

[Levitas]

Is it snake's lightning fast moves that cover the best places? Or his rock solid options at a range?

Ness doesn't have it as bad as some people, but let's try to be reasonable

 

[Yink]

Ness v Snake is 60-40. Trust me on this one.

I really disagree.

The fact that Campy Snakes force us to approach is bad enough. Being totally out-camped is a horrible feeling.

Then when you get close he ***** everything with his simple A moves and his grab releases. Oh and his tilts are pretty good, remember?

From my experience, the best way to fight a snake is to get close enough with Fair, do a couple little combos then retreat a bit. Also, don't be afraid to throw back grenades. (not joking) Good Snakes know how long to throw them and when they'll blow up, though, so watch that.

 

[Chuee]

Wait so are you saying it's worse than 60-40 or that it's even?

 

[Yink]

It's worse. I'm going with at least 65:35, Snake. How on Earth do you see it being even?

Anyways, please let's not get off topic. We're going to start discussing Ganon.

 

[Chuee]

Oh lol I was like EVEN WHAT THE ****.
Yeah, I can see it being 65-35 definitely.

 

[Delta-cod]

Ganon: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=260964

 

[ViceGrip]

I just beat Hall in tournament yesterday (a snake that has beaten DSF lately) I think the matchup is 44/55 with snake being in favor just because he is so beastly. Ness has the tools to outcamp snake, to combo, and to space him. it's REALLY not that bad. it's one of Ness's best matchups in the high tier for sure. Just gotta know the matchup. Also hall seconds Ness so it's not like he had no idea how to play vs me.

 

[Uffe]

^^^ Good job! O:

 

[Chuee]

Ness doesn't really outcamp snake.

 

[ViceGrip]

Yes he does, you just gotta use thunder correctly and position yourself right. Like doing a full hop and then thundering to avoid grenades meanwhile putting pressure on snake until his shield is low enough to shield stab. i always make snakes approach me when i play them, puts the matchup much more in your favor when you force them to come to you.

Here's an example of camping snake. it's at the very start of the match and although Shaky doesn't full hop to avoid grenades he still has the right idea. Thanks Uffe!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOaCRLOiOPQ&feature=related

 

[Chuee]

On stages like bf, you'd get ***** for doing that. Basically if he positions the grenades or C4's right you'll get blown up for trying to do that. Also running PS --> Ftilt. There's many ways you can overcome that, standing and shielding it is just a really ignorant way to deal with it.

 

[ViceGrip]

Yea bf is definitely not a good stage for that, but there are many stages where outcamping snake is very viable (such as fd). Most all snakes will shield the thunder and you just need to circle the thunder as much as you can blowing up nades with it's tail and lowering snakes shield (by taking as much time to land the thunder as possible) until you can aim for a shield stab. Then at this point they will be forced to approach or risk more shield stabbing thunders.

 

[Bartolon]

**** someone with the same mindset, welcome in the club.

 

[Chuee]

And what if there's a nade right below you? Also snake really shouldn't be getting camped by something that leaves Ness wide open.

 

[mikeray4]

As a snake main who knows the match up quite well. I would say 60:40 snakes advatage. the camping isnt ness's problem. ness's problem is the grab releases , snakes range ,snakes killing power....and snake not dying to quickly.

however Ness can fight back, pk2, spikes of snake's b up. and can use pk fire to rack up a ton of damage.

 

[milesg2g]

The pro's and Cons of both these characters is pretty fair and even.
Snake has ground game and projectiles.
Ness has Air game and Projectiles.
Ness' cancel out Snakes. But Ness can't just approach a snake for a bthrow because the snake has superior ground game.
However, Snake can't just approach Ness because of his projectile blocks. I'd say it's about 55:45 snakes favor.


Because even though it may seem even, snake has the ground game and that's jsut all out more important then Ness air game. even a skilled mindgame in the air will get cancelled by snakes uptilt hitbubble

 

[Chuee]

Ness can't kill snake worth ****.