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Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see it. This is what I see in the official patch notes thread in the first post:
There's no mention of her physics changes anywhere there, which means that they have not been officially confirmed yet. It's mentioned in replies, but it hasn't been added to the first post yet.
So far it's a very nice Quality of Life buff. Deff have to go further into the lab tho!
I would say it's immense. The return of KO percent ftilt tech chases. The addition of being able to follow up dsmash with the better FAF. The huge improvements for nair and fair. It's really great. The additional air speed and fall speed also help though we lost uair -> first hit of uair out of SH and fair -> bair out of FJ. Otherwise though, we have lost basically nothing and gained a ton.
Uair>1st Uair hit? Do you mean the Pratfall thing KayJays video had? And Fair>Bair? Because they DId in? Maybe I've done it and just can't remember it lol
Some changes are going to make a big difference, notably the new dash attack hitbox, ftilt damage/kb, new nair damage/kb, fair changes and dsmash change. CS change too but to a lesser extent. Stuff like the missile changes are nice but probably won't have a big impact on gameplay overall. The grab buff is long overdue but it's only 6 frames and still the slowest grab in the game (all grabs still last comfortably more than a full second), my prediction is that change isn't going to affect her meta too much, but it is nice that we can potentially whiff a grab and not die now.
Oh, yeah not real combos. Sorry. You can't get the first hitbox of uair out after a uair from SH anymore. It's gone. You can do bair and get the first hit of uair out. From a full jump you used to be able to fair and get a perfect bair on landing. Now you can only get nair.
Oh ok thanks! I'll have to note that as I'm landing now. I did like to run off stage and Jump back on with Bair coming up and a 2nd Bair as I hit the ground, good shield pressure and if dropped they'd get a nice boot to the face. I wonder if the fall speed messed that up too, I'll have to check when home.
Sorry, can you explain this more clearly? Are you talking about falling uair to SH uair? And we lost these things because of faster fall speed?
He meant in 1 Short Hop we could Uair and then have a 2nd Uair come out. It had to be frame perfect tho. Ill link the video in a sec
Samus's Dash Grab now has less ending frames than ZSS's Dash Grab.
Got it now, thanks.
It works just as reliable as pre-patch. Remenber you don't use a short hop, you use the double jump.
That's great, but I don't understand your point. The window for f-airing onto stage from ledge and successfully getting the auto-cancel without landing lag was pretty small (I can do it if I ledge drop with back instead of down so as not to fast fall before the jump). I figured that window might be shut with her new faster fall speed. Glad to hear that isn't the case.
The point is that double jump height looks the same as prepatch (maybe even a tiny bit higher) where as the short hop duration is smaller.
Zeeloid
Yeah I'm loving the new fair. It's awesome. It's so nice to actually reliably connect with the whole move now instead of getting frustrated that opponents are falling out of it. Pity uair, up b and up smash didn't get the same treatment, but yeah fair is great now, and combos pretty reliably off our new dash attack too. It's also a reliable edge guarding tool as well.
I still can't see it as entire garbage when it still has uses.
Bair is still a lot more powerful. IMO, Nair is better off stage, but Bair is better on stage or in the middle of the stage.
It's not.
Ooh if Nair was safe on shield that could have done so much for Samus. Having something like that she could just throw out and be safe on shield would be so nice.
Afro Smash
's thread Samus Moveset Kill Percents, and saw that, vs Mario at the centre of FD with CPU set to Control, d-tilt kills at 205% I don't know what patch we were at when that thread was made, but I went ahead and duplicated his conditions and found d-tilt killed around 200%, so it didn't really get buffed.
The Jab Change is totally placebo because as you can see in my Lab-thread I did a complete % list for every character when Jab1 is safe on hit, these % didn't change in 1.1.5.
I think the nuances of her air-speed increase were sort of overlooked when people were discussing her changes earlier.
It happens to me too, but I'm near certain that it is just the mobility and gravity changes, like you mentioned.
It reduces lag by 9 frames now instead of 7
B-air remains way stronger. I tend to cross up opponents a lot with DA and so I end up using B-air a lot for combo damage. This change is significant for my play-style as I pull out N-air to kill offstage and it's really quite good now. A couple patches ago it got buffed, but now between F-air, N-air and D-air the holy trinity of offstage threats is truly strong.fuzuza said:
N-air -> D-tilt is a very useful simple jump in combo which is almost but not quite safe on shield out of SHAD. If they have a slow grab (Samus, pacman, etc...) this is a great opener.Bowserboy3 said:
I think the reason people are feeling this way is because they're not used to the 7% DA hit. Because it sends your opponent lower than the 10% hit, it means they can fall out much easier. The scaling (which is non-linear) was such that you would always be able to get 10% DA -> Up-Air -> B-air with fairly easy timing on Sheik at 0%. Now, she's a bit lower in the air, she can connect to up-air below the shoulders, and so falling out is a real possibility and the B-air, while it still can combo, is considerably more difficult.
I think the move was designed carefully, they want you to be able to figure out if there's a follow up to it but also keep some guesswork going with DI + SDI. If it locked the opponent in the hitboxes, you wouldn't be able to figure out follow ups. You would constantly be catching opponents on the tips and if they stayed on the tips, with no "drilling through" it would be a pure guessing game. Of course locking them AND drilling through would be amazingGaro said:
