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So from my own experience I've notice gordo's are beat from ALL of our fruits and it is hilarious. Although even with that problem solved...He takes forever to kill. I can't beat him till 150-200%. So its like he has two stocks on him....
Even the cherry and strawberry? That's golden.
Yes; all of Pac's fruit bounces gordos back to him
I'll try that. I never think to use the Orange lol.
I haven't played any good Mega Man players. I bet a really good one would be able to pressure us really well.
Yes, but our long range game and close range game completely out perfom his. As a Megaman main as well, we do best at mid range but a good pacman player can put space between him and megaman with the hydrant, and ruin his pellet/ grab game with our fruits. Especially the melon, apple, and orange as they ruin his horizontal game, which is the direction that megaman pressures in
I know. But if Mega Man is projectile-spammy enough, then we don't have time to charge to any of those except the orange, and he can force us into mid-range, at which point we have to fight to get in to close range, which is difficult with any technical Mega Man (@Zucco).
Which is why I feel that the hydrant and trampoline will be key in this matchup. The hydrant blocks all of his projectiles, giving us time to charge, and when thrown, it cancels his projectiles out. Megaman will be forced into the air, and we can easily punish with an up air or side B as megaman is vulnerable from below due to a laggy dair and the lack of a full-body coverage nair. The trampoline helps us get him in the air faster, and pushes him high enought that he can't reach us with a metal blade, and we can proceed to punish. Although, we have to watch out for the leaf sheild on the way down as it can disrupt us if we don't predict and punish.
But all of our fruits cancel his projectiles out...
Oh wow, well I had no idea about that.
Lol np. They melon and hydrant are actually the best projectiles to use against him as they out prioritize all of his projectiles and just keep moving forward. We need to watch out for the leaf sheild though, as it sometimes cancels out our weaker fruits
I think that more research is required, but I'm leaning more towards an even matchup.
You have to be careful with Rosalina though, a good player just grav pulls the hydrant away safely.
Or doesnt use Luma Shot at all. My friend knew it caused Luma to glitch so when I played his RosaLuma (His secondary to Yoshi, another train wreck of a matchup for us), I spent basically the entire match either defending or dying. Its that kind of matchup. I didnt feel as helpless as I do against his Yoshi because defensive tactics worked against Rosalina (nothing works against a good Yoshi, they just zone you for days). If I had have spent the entire match being defensive, I might have won (The match went for over 10 minutes, we were both on our last stock 100% when I screwed up and died).
Havent had any problems with Sheiks yet. For the aggressive one, just use your trampoline to get her airborne so you can rack up damage. If she doesnt bite the trampoline, range yourself away from the needles and charge up fruit. Abuse your quick tilts and dash attack and you should be okay.
If you're a quick monkey about this; when I play shiek and shes doing one of those arcing attack she does, our Neutral B has its own hit/hurt box(?) and protect you from her while choosing a fruit you want....although you have to be pretty quick on your feet for it. But I feel it helps as a protective anti-air...but it doesn't hurt but at least you got fruit ready on hand now.
It doesn't go through Melon last time I checked.
Doesn't go through the melon. Not even megaman's fully charged fsmash can get through it.
Bonus fruit is your friend in this MU. It gives you a lot of versatility. As Bowser is going to have to charge in on you, just start off by throwing an orange in his big, ugly mug. Follow it up with a dash attack and from there you can use some nice reads and his first stock could already be gone. I have done this once before, I think hi first stock lasted in the region of 15 seconds. Hydrant probably isnt the best in this matchup and you should probably abuse Oranges, Apples and Melons with the Key as a finisher.
You can use Up-b to great effect against Ganon and Bowser. Dedede is better in air, but he does have to come down. The biggest thing to remember is that they want you to come in. Use Hydrant more as a delay from landing so they whiff an attack so you can punish their end lag. Short of Dedede's up-smash most of the attacks will launch hydrant away from hurting you.
Troll tip for Rosalina:
Not perfect strat man, some R&L players have cottoned on to this and wont use Luma Shot at all. Makes approaching nigh on impossible.
No, you grab them on block. You dash-attack if they catch. You gotta react to what they are doing. Dash-attack is extremely unsafe as you've learned. Only use it if you're confident that they're catching the melon each time.
You can influence the direction Bowser's grab goes at lower percents. It also is a command grab. You cannot block the side B. Better options offstage when you know there is a risk of a sucide grab, is jumping above and hydrant, a fruit throw or baiting the grab, then following up with an attack. Bowser is much better then his previous incarnations, but he is not unbeatable.
I've completely forgot we can short hop and double jump.....Gonna try this. thanks
