Official Brawl Tier Discussion (OP Updated)

[Corner-Trap]

Newest version of the SRK tier list, and I personally like this better than any of the others posted before. Note that we're still trying to get characters into their appropriate tiers first, so they aren't organized within the tiers themselves as of now. Also I ranked PT both separately and as a whole. Please give any criticism you want:

Top:
Snake
Metaknight

High:
Falco
Game & Watch
Marth
King Dedede
R.O.B.
Pikachu
Wolf
Toon Link
Ice Climbers

Mid:
Zero Suit Samus
Pit
Diddy Kong
Olimar
Lucas
Zelda
Fox
Luigi
Kirby
Ike
Sheik
Donkey Kong
Wario
Lucario
Ness
Squirtle

Low:
Bowser
Peach
Charizard
Samus
Link
Jigglypuff
Pokemon Trainer

Bottom:
Yoshi
Mario
Sonic
Ivysaur
Captain Falcon
Ganondorf

 

[BDawgPHD]

Also, Pokemon Trainer is one character FFS. Its not like you can play the entire match as one pokemon, and even if you could, would you really want to? Fatigue stinks.

PT should be one character AND the separate pokemon, for the sake of matchups. PT will be rated based on all three pokemon's ability to buy time to change pokemon to get more advantageous matchups/a favored pokemon, and if one pokemon can't cut it, it brings PT down.

EDIT: @ cornertrap, I don't know if Mario should be bottom. I've used him and he isn't so bad, although I'd like to see a good Mario player go up against other good players with respective characters to see what the matchups look like. I'd say mid, low at worst.

Bowser shouldn't be low, he should be above Fox at least. DK should be bottom of high/top of mid.

 

[SaxDude93]

Marth should be a little highter the GNW mainly for the fact he has more better macth ups.

Also i see no reason to put all 3 PT trainer in different tiers since it would me very dum to play as just one(since they get weaker over time)

As for Zelda i argee with most of what you siad about her but she should go down and flaco up falco chain grab make alot of battles for him too easy,and shes really light(fox can kill her a 90 with a upsmash)

Top:
Snake
Meta Knight
Marth
Game & Watch
Falco
Zelda

High:
Dedede
Toon Link
Olimar
Bowser
Wario
Diddy Kong
Ice Climbers
Lucario
Zero Suit Samus
Pikachu
Wolf

Middle:
Pit
Peach
Capatin Falcon
Rob
Sheik
Luigi
Kirby
Mario

Low:
Ike
Donkey Kong
PT
Lucas
Ness
Samus
Sonic


Bottom:
Jigglypuff
Samus
Yoshi
Ganondorf

At first, I was like "This is alright." Next I saw Falcon above R.O.B. I was then like *epic facepalm* Falcon is the worst character in Brawl. Falcon has

-No matchups (Only beating Squirtle IIRC)
-No priority. (He looses to Sonic f-smash IIRC)
-No range
-No projectile.
-No tourney data to support him being middle tier
-No power, thus meaning no KO moves

R.O.B has
-2 (Two) projectiles
-Priority
-Air game
-My regular reasons on what makes a charcater good.

In conclusion, R.O.B>Falcon. Falcon in bottom tier, R.O.B. in high-high or low-top

 

[Conda]

G&W is getting very predictable already... Check out the GW forum.

 

[Goodstyle]

Wario will always be high tier in my books. He actually is really good.

 

[Grunt]

Wario will always be high tier in my books. He actually is really good.

What books are you reading?

 

[Sliq]

Ganon is better than Cpt. Falcon and Mario, at least.

 

[Goodstyle]

What books are you reading?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hkKDOB2Kz4k&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PtdLr9tZRm8

Proof of Wario being high tier.

Lol your dissing Wario but judging from your char icon your a ganondorf mainer.
Ganondorf is cool but (no offense) he's really bad IMO.

 

[Shiny Noctowl]

Key: advantages/neutrals/disadvantages/disputed: total (advantages-disadvantages)

Bowser: 5/5/27/1: -22
Captain Falcon: 1/2/33/2: -32
Charizard: 8/6/22/2: -14
Diddy Kong: 14/6/12/6: 2
Donkey Kong: 8/8/17/5: -9
Falco: 26/7/3/2: 23
Fox: 11/11/13/3: -2
Mr. Game & Watch: 30/4/4/0: 26
Ganondorf: 1/5/28/4: -27
Ice Climbers: 19/10/9/0: 10
Ike: 7/4/25/2: -18
Ivysaur: 9/12/12/5: -3
Jigglypuff: 5/6/26: -21
King Dedede: 11/8/18/1: -7
Kirby: 17/6/11/4: 6
Link: 10/7/17/3: -7
Lucario: 11/12/8/7: 3
Lucas: 15/8/14/1: 1
Luigi: 9/5/22/2: -13
Mario: 5/7/19/7: -14
Marth: 28/4/3/3: 25
Meta Knight: 31/3/1/3: 30
Ness: 11/6/21/0: -10
Peach: 4/5/20/9: -16
Pikachu: 18/5/9/6: 9
Pikmin & Olimar: 22/4/7/5: 15
Pit: 24/5/5/3: 19
R.O.B.: 24/4/6/4: 18
Samus: 12/4/22/0: -10
Sheik: 9/7/10/12: -1
Snake: 25/10/3/0: 22
Sonic: 7/6/19/6: -12
Squirtle: 9/6/18/5: -9
Toon Link: 24/3/3/7: 21
Wario: 13/8/8/9: 5
Wolf: 22/5/6/5: 16
Yoshi: 2/4/28/4: -26
Zelda: 20/7/6/5: 14
Zero Suit Samus: 16/4/9/9: 7

Data from: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=157979

Therefore, from best to worst, the characters are:

Meta Knight
Mr. Game & Watch
Marth
Falco
Snake
Toon Link
Pit
R.O.B.
Wolf
Pikmin & Olimar
Zelda
Ice Climbers
Pikachu
Zero Suit Samus
Kirby
Wario
Lucario
Diddy Kong
Lucas
Sheik
Fox
Ivysaur
King Dedede
Link
Donkey Kong
Squirtle
Ness
Samus
Sonic
Luigi
Mario
Charizard
Peach
Ike
Jigglypuff
Bowser
Yoshi
Ganondorf
Captain Falcon

Dividing this into 5 tiers, 8 per teir except 7 in the top tier, the tier list is:

Top
Meta Knight
Mr. Game & Watch
Marth
Falco
Snake
Toon Link
Pit
High
R.O.B.
Wolf
Pikmin & Olimar
Zelda
Ice Climbers
Pikachu
Zero Suit Samus
Kirby
Middle
Wario
Lucario
Diddy Kong
Lucas
Sheik
Fox
Ivysaur
King Dedede
Low
Link
Donkey Kong
Squirtle
Ness
Samus
Sonic
Luigi
Mario
Bottom
Charizard
Peach
Ike
Jigglypuff
Bowser
Yoshi
Ganondorf
Captain Falcon

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

so, I'm supposed to add Pokemon Trainer as a whole as well as each part of him? I assume I don't do the same with Samus/ZSS, but what about Zelda/sheik?

hmm... I also assume that PT as a whole can't be any worse than the best pokemon he's got is individually. so I think between Wolf and ZSS?

is that so bad?:

Top:
Snake
Meta Knight
Game & Watch
Marth
Zelda
Falco

High:
Toon Link
Olimar
Rob
Diddy Kong
Wario
Pit
Lucario
Lucas
Pikachu
Ice Climbers
Dedede

Middle:
Wolf
Pokemon Trainer
Zero Suit Samus
Luigi
Squirtle
Mario
Charizard
Donkey Kong
Fox
Ness

Low:
Sheik
Peach
Kirby
Ike
Bowser
Samus
Sonic
Ivysaur

Bottom:
Link
Jigglypuff
Ganondorf
Yoshi
Capatin Falcon

 

[TehBo49]

Newest version of the SRK tier list, and I personally like this better than any of the others posted before. Note that we're still trying to get characters into their appropriate tiers first, so they aren't organized within the tiers themselves as of now. Also I ranked PT both separately and as a whole. Please give any criticism you want:

Top:
Snake
Metaknight

High:
Falco
Game & Watch
Marth
King Dedede
R.O.B.
Pikachu
Wolf
Toon Link
Ice Climbers

Mid:
Zero Suit Samus
Pit
Diddy Kong
Olimar
Lucas
Zelda
Fox
Luigi
Kirby
Ike
Sheik
Donkey Kong
Wario
Lucario
Ness
Squirtle

Low:
Bowser
Peach
Charizard
Samus
Link
Jigglypuff
Pokemon Trainer

Bottom:
Yoshi
Mario
Sonic
Ivysaur
Captain Falcon
Ganondorf

I like the idea of Snake & MK being in top tier by themselves. I wouldn't be surprised if sometime in the future the actual tier list had that. However, there are still a couple things wrong with that list.

For one, Mario is a little low. Move him to low tier. Ike is too high. There is no way he is above DK, Lucario, & Wario. Olimar should be high & Zelda should move up a little. Move Toon Link to Dedede's position & put Dedede below the ICs. Other than that, everything else looks okay.

EDIT: @ Shiny Noctowl: You do realize how skewed the information on that chart is, right?

 

[Pieisthebest]

Just posting this for coments and opinions >_>
Enjoy my tier list, please sugest changes

God Tier:
Snake
Meta Knight
R.O.B.
Toon Link
Dedede

Top Tier:
Falco
Mr. Game & Watch
Pikachu
Pit
Pikmin & Olimar
Marth

High Tier:
Zelda
Zero Suit Samus
Wario
Fox
Diddy Kong
Donkey Kong
Wolf

Middle Tier:
Kirby
Ike
Luigi
Ice climbers
Lucario
Peach
Bowser
Jigglypuff

Low Tier:
Mario
Shiek
Lucas
Ness
Captain Falcon

Bottom Tier:
Pokemon Trainer
Ganondorf
Link
Samus
Sonic

 

[Shark Week]

holy ****, pokemon trainer in bottom tier?

WHAT THE **** EVER

look, if you know NOTHING about a character then don't rate them, it's as simple as that.

for christ's sake.

 

[Nigerian Star Storm]

No, the only 2 who deserve to be in a "God Tier" at this point are Snake and Meta. The other three cannot qualify as of now and probably never will.


And PT in bottom tier is not TOO farfetched, but not nearly as say, Ike in High/Top like some of the noobs on SWF say >_>

 

[Shark Week]

pt in bottom is ****ing stupid, seriously.

look, i LOVE ivysaur, but i admit that it's probably the worst of the pt's three pokemon... but it's also probably in mid or high low tier. charizard and squirtle are both an easy mid tier (although the pt is ONE GOD **** CHARACTER ANYWAY).

pokemon trainer, if we average the three pokemon together, is probably low or mid middle tier. placing captain falcon and jigglypuff above him is

just

plain

****ing

stupid

 

[Kiwikomix]

@ Shark Week: PT is pretty much solidified in low tier, there's no reason to flip out over him leading bottom. It's not where I'd place him, but he's really not that great compared to everyone else, so calm down. If you know NOTHING about anything, go somewhere where you'll be listened to. I suggest Meet and Greet.

@ NSS: Agreed.

@ Pie: Not a terrible list, but Toonie, Dedede, ROB and Pikman should be lower. Marth, Kirby and Wolf higher. Most other characters are weird order within their tiers. And there's some weird stuff... Cpt Falcon is bottom of bottom, IC's and Luigi are high for sure, Lucas still functions in mid tier despite the cg.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

So since it's the biggest problem with my tier list, according to most people, I guess I need to justify Zelda being top tier. okay here's why I say she is:
1) so many good match ups. she has an advantage on most characters in the game. in fact, only other top teir charcters have more favourable match ups, and she's a good deal ahead of the characters I placed in my high teir as far as matchups go. in other words, she's closer to the charcters in top teir than those in high teir, even if she's at the bottom of high teir.

2) She's neither disadvantaged against metaknight nor snake, the game's two "best" (at this point anyway) charcters. Something I don't think anyone else in with as many good matchups as her can claim.

3) The big reason she's not placed similarly in most tier lists is because she doesn't have as many pros maining her. but a tier list shouldn't be a popularity contest.


now you might ask, well then, why isn't she even higher in the top teir? well, the problem is, two of her most problematic matchups, marth and G&W are commonly used top tiers themselves. I think she's got 1 v 1 advantage on falco which I say is enough to put her above him, but that's more questionable. the real question is, how can zelda not be top tier with all of that going for her?

So, I imagine the rest of my teir list is pretty well accepted? or is at least close enough that we can't be sure:

Top:
Snake
Meta Knight
Game & Watch
Marth
Zelda
Falco

High:
Toon Link
Olimar
Rob
Diddy Kong
Wario
Pit
Lucario
Lucas
Pikachu
Ice Climbers
Dedede

Middle:
Wolf
Pokemon Trainer
Zero Suit Samus
Luigi
Squirtle
Mario
Charizard
Donkey Kong
Fox
Ness

Low:
Sheik
Peach
Kirby
Ike
Bowser
Samus
Sonic
Ivysaur

Bottom:
Link
Jigglypuff
Ganondorf
Yoshi
Capatin Falcon

 

[Lovage 805]

Snake Tier
Snake
Metaknight
Bottom Tier
Everyone
Else

 

[Pieisthebest]

Snake Tier
Snake
Metaknight
Bottom Tier
Everyone
Else

^this

But please justify your placing of Zelda?

 

[Shark Week]

@ Shark Week: PT is pretty much solidified in low tier, there's no reason to flip out over him leading bottom. It's not where I'd place him, but he's really not that great compared to everyone else, so calm down. If you know NOTHING about anything, go somewhere where you'll be listened to. I suggest Meet and Greet.

why do you say pt is solidified in low? i'm not claiming he's a great and amazing character, but there's NOTHING that's so bad about him... squirtle is light and ivysaur doesn't handle pressure well, but other than that, pt as a whole is a solid character who doesn't have anything so overpowering to shove him into the upper echelons. tell me, what's BAD about pt, and why does that justify putting him in low tier?

and where the hell do you get off telling me i know nothing and i should go to meet and greet? you've been awfully agressive lately, which is odd for someone who has been beaten by me, a player who hasn't even gotten the chance to attend any tournaments yet. i'd suggest toning down the *******, tiger.

 

[Kiwikomix]

So since it's the biggest problem with my tier list, according to most people, I guess I need to justify Zelda being top tier. okay here's why I say she is:
1) so many good match ups. she has an advantage on most characters in the game. in fact, only other top teir charcters have more favourable match ups, and she's a good deal ahead of the characters I placed in my high teir as far as matchups go. in other words, she's closer to the charcters in top teir than those in high teir, even if she's at the bottom of high teir.

2) She's neither disadvantaged against metaknight nor snake, the game's two "best" (at this point anyway) charcters. Something I don't think anyone else in with as many good matchups as her can claim.

3) The big reason she's not placed similarly in most tier lists is because she doesn't have as many pros maining her. but a tier list shouldn't be a popularity contest.


now you might ask, well then, why isn't she even higher in the top teir? well, the problem is, two of her most problematic matchups, marth and G&W are commonly used top tiers themselves. I think she's got 1 v 1 advantage on falco which I say is enough to put her above him, but that's more questionable. the real question is, how can zelda not be top tier with all of that going for her?

So, I imagine the rest of my teir list is pretty well accepted? or is at least close enough that we can't be sure:

I don't see how she isn't disadvantaged against MK and Snake. Please explain.

Tiers aren't a popularity contest? Since when?
The more people playing a certain character, the more likely that character is to develop advanced techs and strategies. Plus a tier list is a listing of who's most likely to win a tournament, which really boils down to popularity on some level. Except in Sonic's case, because he's a very popular character that doesn't do well in tournies. He just kinda sucks.

Also, I hate to point this out on every single list, but Kirby is just way too low. At the VERY worst, he's at the top of mid tier.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

why do you say pt is solidified in low? i'm not claiming he's a great and amazing character, but there's NOTHING that's so bad about him... squirtle is light and ivysaur doesn't handle pressure well, but other than that, pt as a whole is a solid character who doesn't have anything so overpowering to shove him into the upper echelons. tell me, what's BAD about pt, and why does that justify putting him in low tier?

and where the hell do you get off telling me i know nothing and i should go to meet and greet? you've been awfully agressive lately, which is odd for someone who has been beaten by me, a player who hasn't even gotten the chance to attend any tournaments yet. i'd suggest toning down the *******, tiger.

squrle and charizard are both pretty solidly middle teir, and ivysaur's probably low. but the thing is, PT is not as good as only his weakest link nor is he only as good as their average: most PT players rely on Charlie and Squirtz to do all their work. these two pokes compliment each other VERY well meaning they do better together than they would alone making PT as a whole better than any of the pokes who make him up. I'd say upper area of the middle teir definitely

 

[Kiwikomix]

why do you say pt is solidified in low? i'm not claiming he's a great and amazing character, but there's NOTHING that's so bad about him... squirtle is light and ivysaur doesn't handle pressure well, but other than that, pt as a whole is a solid character who doesn't have anything so overpowering to shove him into the upper echelons. tell me, what's BAD about pt, and why does that justify putting him in low tier?

and where the hell do you get off telling me i know nothing and i should go to meet and greet? you've been awfully agressive lately, which is odd for someone who has been beaten by me, a player who hasn't even gotten the chance to attend any tournaments yet. i'd suggest toning down the *******, tiger.

I agree that nothing is that bad for him, but not that much is good either. Like I've said before (I think to you, actually), his Pokemon just don't balance out as well as the developers might have hoped. His Pokemon can't function by themselves, and if they try, they're punished in speed and damage. Ivysaur is sick, but he ultimately slows down the dominant use of Charizard and Squirtle. Plus, each Pokemon is great at one area of the game and average/lackluster in most other respects. Charizard has decent recovery but both of the other two have crap for getting back to the stage, which is awful in Squirtle's case since he gets sent flying so easily. PT is cool but he'll be low, sorry. Also, he can't win tournaments.

Where do you get off telling some other guy he knows nothing? Lower your hypocrisy, please.

As for you beating me: I haven't had a tourney chance either, fyi. Plus it's no great feat for a Snake main to beat a Kirby main. Sorry to punt you off your high horse, bud.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

I don't see how she isn't disadvantaged against MK and Snake. Please explain.

Quite simple: she just isn't. It actually isn't my burden to PROOVE that she isn't disadvantaged, it should be assumed a matchup is neytral unless it's been proven otherwise. it is your burden to prove that Snake and MK are good against her.... not mine to prove that they aren't.... Just as it would be MY burden to prove that she has an advantage over them if I'd actually claimed that.

for one thing though, even most MKs agree that Zelda is one of his toughest matchups. She simply destroys him as far as range and priority are concerned and her Usmash negates any of his aerials, or a missed shuttle loop, one of his best KO options. Also, zelda is capable of killing metaknight at rather low damages. Add to this that her pojectile forces MK to approach as he can't legitimately counter it and the fact that zelda's on her best when on defense and you have a zelda that's going to be hard for any MK to break. The problem is that MK is so good that even these advantages don't seem to give zelda any significant advantage in the matchup, only equality.

Snake I'm not quite as sure about, but he really doesn't have anything that significantly counters her. But I think the common consensus in both camps is "neutral"

Tiers aren't a popularity contest? Since when?
The more people playing a certain character, the more likely that character is to develop advanced techs and strategies. Plus a tier list is a listing of who's most likely to win a tournament, which really boils down to popularity on some level. Except in Sonic's case, because he's a very popular character that doesn't do well in tournies. He just kinda sucks.

if that's what a tier list is saying, then it's failing. A teir list is supposed to say, all else equal (as far as operator level and counters), which characters are better than others. Popularity may lead to dicovery of strategies and tricks, but those were taken into consideration in this list.

Also, I hate to point this out on every single list, but Kirby is just way too low. At the VERY worst, he's at the top of mid tier.

I haven't seen a whole lot out of kirby, certainly not enough to put him top of mid tier... but he's far from awful

 

[The_Dyne]

@ Pieisthebest: No way Sonic is rock bottom. Everyone seems to feel he is lower low tier.

 

[Shark Week]

Also, I hate to point this out on every single list, but Kirby is just way too low. At the VERY worst, he's at the top of mid tier.

oops, looks like you don't know anything about anything. go to meet and greet.

squrle and charizard are both pretty solidly middle teir, and ivysaur's probably low. but the thing is, PT is not as good as only his weakest link nor is he only as good as their average: most PT players rely on Charlie and Squirtz to do all their work. these two pokes compliment each other VERY well meaning they do better together than they would alone making PT as a whole better than any of the pokes who make him up. I'd say upper area of the middle teir definitely

and see, not only do i use ivysaur as my workhorse for the most part, i , as someone who uses pt fairly often, would say high-mid would be a little bit optimistic (although not completely out of reach).

pt is consistently underrated on these boards, much like donkey king is, and i blame low popularity. i've only ever met a handful of other pt players online... i see a dozen falcons and ganondorfs for every pt. it's kind of sad that no one is willing to learn such a unique character.

EDIT:

As for you beating me: I haven't had a tourney chance either, fyi. Plus it's no great feat for a Snake main to beat a Kirby main. Sorry to punt you off your high horse, bud.

actually, i was using pikachu.

 

[flyingpork002]

my tier list

top: kirby, olimar, donkey kong, young link
high: pkmn trainer, ness, lucario, jiggs
mid: Yoshi, marth, diddy kong, mario, luigi
low: peach, metaknight, snake
bottom: pit, zelda, shiek, captain falcon, gannondorf

 

[SaxDude93]

[QUOTE:=Sonic The Hedgedawg]
Originally Posted by Sonic The Hedgedawg View Post
So since it's the biggest problem with my tier list, according to most people, I guess I need to justify Zelda being top tier. okay here's why I say she is:
1) so many good match ups. she has an advantage on most characters in the game. in fact, only other top teir charcters have more favourable match ups, and she's a good deal ahead of the characters I placed in my high teir as far as matchups go. in other words, she's closer to the charcters in top teir than those in high teir, even if she's at the bottom of high teir.[/QUOTE]

Actually, Falco has two more favorable match-ups than Zelda does. (If I counted right.)

my tier list

top: kirby, olimar, donkey kong, young link
high: pkmn trainer, ness, lucario, jiggs
mid: Yoshi, marth, diddy kong, mario, luigi
low: peach, metaknight, snake
bottom: pit, zelda, shiek, captain falcon, gannondorf

And this either a joke or you are now the OFFICIAL biggest idiot who posted a tier list.

 

[Wind Owl]

my tier list

top: kirby, olimar, donkey kong, young link
high: pkmn trainer, ness, lucario, jiggs
mid: Yoshi, marth, diddy kong, mario, luigi
low: peach, metaknight, snake
bottom: pit, zelda, shiek, captain falcon, gannondorf

... What.

Spoiler

10chars

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

Actually, Falco has two more favorable match-ups than Zelda does. (If I counted right.)

well... I put falco in top tier so I'm not a liar.

and see, not only do i use ivysaur as my workhorse for the most part, i , as someone who uses pt fairly often, would say high-mid would be a little bit optimistic (although not completely out of reach).

pt is consistently underrated on these boards, much like donkey king is, and i blame low popularity. i've only ever met a handful of other pt players online... i see a dozen falcons and ganondorfs for every pt. it's kind of sad that no one is willing to learn such a unique character.

well... okay, but no way he's not somewhere in the middle tier... as of now, he's not good enough to get out, but he's in no way bad enough to be pushed down.

@ Pieisthebest: No way Sonic is rock bottom. Everyone seems to feel he is lower low tier.

yeah... sonic is low tier, for sure, but he's not bottom. he's got enough favourable matchups to save him

my tier list

top: kirby, olimar, donkey kong, young link
high: pkmn trainer, ness, lucario, jiggs
mid: Yoshi, marth, diddy kong, mario, luigi
low: peach, metaknight, snake
bottom: pit, zelda, shiek, captain falcon, gannondorf

it's missing a good deal of characters and is innacurate in what it does have

 

[Kiwikomix]

@ Shark Week: (Too lazy to quote) Pikachu actually has a huge advantage over Kirby as well. He shuts Kirby down so hard that all Kirby can still use after Pika's done is Kirbycide. But enough of me justifying why I suck, I don't feel like spamming the boards with petty arguments any more. Truce.. until next time. And it must just be the people you're playing against, I have encountered thousands of PTs and not a single Ganondorf/Cpt Falcon. Agreed on DK needing to be higher though.

@ SaxDude: Don't trust the matchup chart. Some stuff is reliable but so few intelligent people wander the thread that a lot of it is unreliable. IvanEva has a great idea, but it needs more attention from worthwhile posters... I've seen people arguing the Ganon/Sonic matchup for weeks.

 

[Nigerian Star Storm]

From what I've seen, that chart is quite inaccurate aside from the more used/popular characters.


I wouldn't weigh TOO much on it

 

[polkunus]

my tier list

top: kirby, olimar, donkey kong, young link
high: pkmn trainer, ness, lucario, jiggs
mid: Yoshi, marth, diddy kong, mario, luigi
low: peach, metaknight, snake
bottom: pit, zelda, shiek, captain falcon, gannondorf

hello?..my message was too short

 

[Aggression]

i dont think bottom/god tiers even exist, because of all the dodging im pretty sure theres like 10 highs and a bunch of mids, then like pkmn trainer/ganon are low, ganon is by far the worst and even he has some good match ups, no one is terrible enough to be called bottom, and compared to the overpoweredness of fox/falco/marth in melee, god/bottom tiers dont exist
pkmn trainer needs WAY better recoveries, 2 are gimpable and the other is too easy to hit afterwords

to make it easier to understand what im saying

melee: god>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bottom
brawl: god>>>>>>>>>>bottom

you cant even say this crap, tiers fluctuate on this site so much... eh i cant even look at them
in SBR i got 10th place using yoshi out of 400+ players in their tourney, the so called bottom tier, considering this i can honestly say that skill matters 5x more than character match up, although those matter too, compared to melee where marth was so much better than yoshi that you could 100 stock him

 

[The_Dyne]

my tier list

top: kirby, olimar, donkey kong, young link
high: pkmn trainer, ness, lucario, jiggs
mid: Yoshi, marth, diddy kong, mario, luigi
low: peach, metaknight, snake
bottom: pit, zelda, shiek, captain falcon, gannondorf

Lol, another joke tier list!

@ Aggression: Yoshi isn't bottom anyway...

 

[Pieisthebest]

Iz Gewd? (~_*)b

Godly God Tier:
Snake
Meta Knight

Pwnage Tier:
R.O.B.
Toon Link
Dedede
Falco
Mr. Game & Watch
Pikachu

Rlly gewd Tier:
Pit
Marth
Zelda
Pikmin & Olimar
Zero Suit Samus
Wario
Wolf
Fox
Diddy Kong
Donkey Kong

Gewd Tier:
Kirby
Ike
Luigi
Ice climbers
Lucario
Peach
Bowser
Pokemon Trainer

Unfortunate Tier:
Jigglypuff
Mario
Shiek
Sonic
Lucas
Ness

You must recover Tier:
Captain Falcon
Ganondorf
Link
Samus

 

[The_Dyne]

I'm not Ice Climbers savvy, but aren't they good?

 

[Pieisthebest]

I'm not Ice Climbers savvy, but aren't they good?

I <3 Ice Climbers
They are so ****ing great

 

[Yuna-Maria]

Iz Gewd? (~_*)b

Godly God Tier:
Snake
Meta Knight

Pwnage Tier:
R.O.B.
Toon Link
Dedede
Falco
Mr. Game & Watch
Pikachu

Rlly gewd Tier:
Pit
Marth
Zelda
Pikmin & Olimar
Zero Suit Samus
Wario
Wolf
Fox
Diddy Kong
Donkey Kong

Gewd Tier:
Kirby
Ike
Luigi
Ice climbers
Lucario
Peach
Bowser
Pokemon Trainer

Unfortunate Tier:
Jigglypuff
Mario
Shiek
Sonic
Lucas
Ness

You must recover Tier:
Captain Falcon
Ganondorf
Link
Samus

The fact that you have Sheik as low tier and Samus as the worst character in the game shows that you know nothing.

 

[Nigerian Star Storm]

i dont think bottom/god tiers even exist, because of all the dodging im pretty sure theres like 10 highs and a bunch of mids, then like pkmn trainer/ganon are low, ganon is by far the worst and even he has some good match ups, no one is terrible enough to be called bottom, and compared to the overpoweredness of fox/falco/marth in melee, god/bottom tiers dont exist
pkmn trainer needs WAY better recoveries, 2 are gimpable and the other is too easy to hit afterwords

to make it easier to understand what im saying

melee: god>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bottom
brawl: god>>>>>>>>>>bottom

you cant even say this crap, tiers fluctuate on this site so much... eh i cant even look at them
in SBR i got 10th place using yoshi out of 400+ players in their tourney, the so called bottom tier, considering this i can honestly say that skill matters 5x more than character match up, although those matter too, compared to melee where marth was so much better than yoshi that you could 100 stock him

Agression, please just shut up. Your a proven troll and bring nothing but idiocy to basicially any topic you post in. The balance in Brawl at this point is horrible compared to Melee.


Edit: Just in case you bring skill into the matter, It dpesn't matter how good you are, you still sound like a complete idiot