Albert.
Smash Master
Falco's speed and camping ?
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I still think ZSS and Marth are above Snake, but again I could be biased (ZSS main, Marth and Diddy are secondaries). I do agree, however, that Sonic, Olimar and Pikachu should be higher than they are.Eh, not really, ZSS is heavily underrated and has lots of potential, but IDK if she's above even Snake. And not Marth, either. And ZSS should not eb that high, just higher than what she is, same with sonic. ANd Olimar and chu should go up too.
So? Their first game was very close, M2K was at his last stock with 116%. Hell, Snakeee (ZSS main) 2 stocked M2K once, and M2K 3 stocked Brood in the first match of their set at APEX, and Brood ended up winning the entire set. Point is, you can't just use 1 match between 1 pair of players to prove a point. 1 match doesn't cut it (neither does 1 set), 1 pair of players doesn't cut it, and 1 match-up doesn't cut it. These are bad ways to prove where a certain character should be on the tier list. I said ZSS was underrated, and you basically just said "well this is how ZSS has already fared once, therefore you're wrong." And you're completely neglecting the fact that Nick Riddle made it to winner's finals AND placed 3rd at MLG Columbus 2010.ZSS above Snake. no way. M2K 3 stocked Nick Riddle. ZSS should be mid tier.
Ok, then we might as well put sonic over snake then.I think olimar and pikachu being that high are reasonable. Isn't a tier list a representation of the highest possible human play of a character in the current metagame? If that's so, with ESAM ripping it up and Brood reigning over Japan, I think those two have tons of potential to go up.
I recall a tournament after apex in which brood lost and the other olimar player out ranked himChuee, have u been sealing my salvia? Brood, BEFORE apex, wasn't considered the best Olimar in Japan. Now they say he's the best of them all in japan. And, no, Sonic has not the tools nor potential to be above Snake, but u were just mocking me
No he's not lol.Chuee, have u been sealing my salvia? Brood, BEFORE apex, wasn't considered the best Olimar in Japan. Now they say he's the best of them all in japan. And, no, Sonic has not the tools nor potential to be above Snake, but u were just mocking me
sorry bro, me first.Go to Genesis 2, Seagull. $5/$10 MM. Allow me to be the first Sonic you "lose" to.
Also @ KiD- while back you said you'd get as good a placing at Pound like X/Espy. Strong words dawg better back em up and with SONIC....not with the 15 other characters you play <3.
its been a while but Ive played them both. maybe you should get up to date and stop riding the ally hype train when the last stop on that bad boy was like 3 months ago.have you played either player?
if yes then youre mentally ********/have no idea how to value skill or so awful you dont know better
then again you could be both
my point is that if it was snake in that bad of a situation he wouldnt have made it back, and when people make gimping diddy, as automatic as gimping snake, then we can evaluate things at that pointDude this is like the worst video example I've ever seen. How does it really illustrate your point? Bizkit made a mistake, whiling playing MK. he doesn't main MK.
something like this.And there is no way he's worse than third. Anything lower than that is simply stupid.
I'm also fully expecting him to eventually pop back up over Diddy once people have learned that MU as well as they have the Snake MU down, but I'm betting that will take at least a year. >_>
not just stupid lucky gimps, but recoveries in general, my main problem with the clip I gave was that the diddy recovered in the first place, the fact that the mk died for it was just icing.1) It's incredibly stupid and inaccurate to say that Diddys pulling stupid/lucky gimps on noobs/people who aren't paying attention is the only reason people think he's better than Snake. There are many valid reasons for&against the "Diddy > Snake" idea, but I assure you that the occurrence of such gimps is NOT one of the reasons for.
honest question, what about diddys recovery is good?2) Diddy and Falco get horribly abused offstage FAR LESS OFTEN than Snake, Snake's cypher is absolutely horrible and he can be knocked out of it quite easily. Also, being grab released out of cypher/ after cypher but before landing forces Snake to save himself with a C4, which at high percentages is a likely death. Diddy and Falco are very hard to abuse offstage (especially Diddy), especially when compared to Snake. Snake's recovery is probably his absolute worst aspect.
might be hypocritical right now, but more people should be this humble.Anyone who knows a lot more about Snake than I do, feel free to jump in and urinate on anything stupid/incorrect I've said. It's a learning experience :D
only thing is that the diddys that immediately come to mind are better than the falcos. If you put ADHD, felix, and gnes, and dehf, shugo, and choice at the same tourney, the diddys would probably out place the falcos rather solidly.I think Diddy is actually underrepresented if people believes he's 2nd, compared to Falco and snake. I can't think of nearly as many Diddys as I can Falcos on the spot.
this guy.Eh, I thought it was a measure of a character's top potential at the highest humanly possible level of play in the current metagame, gathered from an in-depth analysis of that character's MU's, top level games, top level tournament results, bets players, and mostly of an even thourogher analysis of that characters tools, moveset, and their "theoretical" potential.
mostly this, but that last part shouldnt be applied at all.
And Brood lost in a japanese tourny? jeez, whos king there now?
Maybe. I was never on the falco bandwagon (or the Diddy one), but I want Diddys to be more common already!only thing is that the diddys that immediately come to mind are better than the falcos. If you put ADHD, felix, and gnes, and dehf, shugo, and choice at the same tourney, the diddys would probably out place the falcos rather solidly.
And didn't DEHF quit?
sk-92 never really ebing that good,
plus my never hearing of "shugo" before,
...whatI can't think of a single really good falco,
Yep, olimar and chu, 4th and 5th.
Free 10 bucks if I can attend then.Go to Genesis 2, Seagull. $5/$10 MM. Allow me to be the first Sonic you "lose" to.
More free Sonic money.sorry bro, me first.
danggggggg... dat ccall out... I got you.
its been a while but Ive played them both. maybe you should get up to date and stop riding the ally hype train when the last stop on that bad boy was like 3 months ago.
my point is that if it was snake in that bad of a situation he wouldnt have made it back, and when people make gimping diddy, as automatic as gimping snake, then we can evaluate things at that point
something like this.
not just stupid lucky gimps, but recoveries in general, my main problem with the clip I gave was that the diddy recovered in the first place, the fact that the mk died for it was just icing.
honest question, what about diddys recovery is good?
basically, people need to just start spacing better and not getting hit by the side b that EVERYONE knows is coming and learn to beat the up b consistently, its REALLY not hard.
might be hypocritical right now, but more people should be this humble.
only thing is that the diddys that immediately come to mind are better than the falcos. If you put ADHD, felix, and gnes, and dehf, shugo, and choice at the same tourney, the diddys would probably out place the falcos rather solidly.
this guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oypovBDeTMw
Yes it should....what
this thread should have a mandatory awareness test before posting
LOLWUT? Pikachu as top 5? *picks Marth, Diddy, Olimar, or Rob*Why do people think Pika is top 5? Honest question here.
Zak, don't be hating. Sonic is even with Pikachu and Olimar. Sonic is now high tier because of Mlg. By this logic, Sonic is 6th best in the game.
everything this guy says is hilarious
I have seen the light. Ganon also should be mid tier because DLA's representation in just Illinois makes up for every other Ganon.Salvia. it's legal in california. But im clean now. Yep, olimar and chu, 4th and 5th. Too me, it seems reasonable. Once players pick up on them, ESAM and rich brown won't be the only good ones.
I think Z still plays too. And NL's Pikachu is still good.Sonic players have accomplished more than Pikachu players. Put Pika in mid tier.
@Ripple - Pikapika still plays.
You are Number Six.But who's number one then?
Steam...don't...be stupid. You wouldn't beat even a mediocre ZSS :/also ZSS is free once you learn to not get gimmicked and you learn to powershield her ****
Does this work all the time?I tried it with all ranged grabs and got no freeze from either of them.
so? I don't have to do something to know how to do something :/Steam...don't...be stupid. You wouldn't beat even a mediocre ZSS :/
And to be fair, with a reasonable LGL and a much higher level of play, I still think IC's could take the top spot.
I'm sorry the internet bugs you.Some people in this thread really bug me...
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