Dark.Pch
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Get tired of Putting vids up and no one responds when you want advice?
Well here is a thread for all you Peach players wanting advice. I, Dark.Pch will take the time to look at ALL Peach videos for advice and give out hardcore advice. No cheap ones. I will point out times in the videos to so you can see what you did right/wrong. I rather it just be a simple "give me advice" type thing. No rate my Peach and stuff. I assume you can make a seprate thread for that and get more attention since in here I'll be the one Dishing the advice and such. I may not be as high ranked as other famous Peach players such as cort, XIF.......etc.... But I have a pretty good brain of Peach..though it does not show when I fight. -______-' Playing and knowing are 2 different things so its hard to apply or know when to use it. So i think i can help people out with what I know as much as I can even though. My Peach is what some say wierd as in how I play. I'm getting there soon with more tournament experience and out of state tournaments. came back from my first out of state not to long ago. it was fun but I was very nervous. Nextime I should do better.
well enough about me. Post vids you want advice on and I shall give it to you. No limit to the mumber of vids to give advice in here. But please. Dont try to kill me eh?
also I throw in a bonus of some of my own advice in ertain match ups so incase some vids are based in it you have a better idea on how to go on about the fight. and with extra advice that I give on your vids your good to go
Y.link:
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=114342
Samus:
Samus can be a problem for Peach. But you can be a bigger problem to her. here is a few things I want you to work on if you want to get better at this match.
When you hit her off the stage, if she is far away and below the stage coming back, throw turnips. if they connect a good 2 to 3 times you can send her backing. If she is above you, create a wall of turnips and throw them at her.them when she comes down slowly, hit her with a N-air or some else to keep her off, If he is hanging on the edge, Float over it and do a FC to D-air, then N-ar her for the kil (time it)
when you fight her on the ground, at times you have to be evasive with her. watch for missiles, its always good to have a turnip in your hand and follow up with a combo.. Use the FC techs, to take her out and make the match hard for her. Samus cant really do much about that. Also be patient when fighting her. Watch how the samus moves. watch how they come at you and all.
If getting comboed, DI away. Don't try to get a hit in before her. get some space then go into the fight. Back off when getting comboed
If samus throws you down, DI away from her cause she will hit you with a N-air
Move around alot, wave dash, Dashdance, and Use FC techs, try not to stay still so much. Confuse them in your movement
Watch for her missiles, if you have to retreat go ahead and get some space from her, then you think you got it, go back into the fight. nothing wrong with running away and getting space
Mix up your grabs and dash attacks.
Don't crouch cancel aginst samus too much, you will get owned for it hardcore.
mindgames buddy. Use goodmindgames to own.
Fox:
Dont rush into fox. That can lead to ****. Bait fox into aerials or shines. then react fast to get the hits one. Peach is slow, so rushing or chaseing him, or running away wont help. Patients is Key here. Fox is fast and for that have many advantages on you. It may be hard at first but. best not to try to go all out on him. (unless its a person you know very well or a noob fox) Wave dash to dash dance. and watch how the fox moves. If you get shined, dont try to get a Dsmash in, cause the shine comes in too fast for you to get that in. Smash DI Learn that. you be suprised how that can screw up foxes whole game play. Not this makes the match less harder.
Ok, so now you know that his speed can be trouble. but patients and all can help reduce that trouble. Now for his attacks. Most of then you can crouch cancel to Dtilt or Dsmash. at around 30% I would Dtilt him, then combo him into a grab and chain grab him. at around 80%, Dsmash him to rack up damage. abd send him flying. you will want to rack up as much as possible before sending him out the stage.At low Damage you can Dsmash him if you want, but doing so will send him flying out of your reach thous you have to bait him into you again. When close to fox, you want to rack up as much damage as possible.His up throw, smash DI it and if you cant or miss it DI away from him. Now from this point, Fox will csae you like hell so He can get another U-throw in.Wiggle out when your stuned in the air.and if you can land cause fox is all over the play, Time Your D-air to his U-air. You do it right your D-air can stop his U-air and you can land to the stage. This Down throw, when he does it mix up your techs, like tech in place, tech to the left or right. Mix it up to thrown him off. Cause he might tech chase you. But You need to know how to time the tech when he Dthrows you, cause if you dont, You will eat a smash attack.
Well, now that you know all of this, next you need to know is how to attack a fox. FC can do wonders on his furry azz. and since he is a fast faller, you can combo him pretty easy. Fox can **** Peach. But cause of Foxes weight, He can **** him just as bad. Dtilt pwns foxes to nasty Peach combos. Use this more at low damage. Shoot, even at high damage, you can do it then ether N-air him or Up-air him for the kill. If Fox is like going crazy on the stage and want to slow him down when attacking you. Jab him, that jab stops him dead. Jab one then grab or Dsmash him. And if Times Dtilt as well. F-air does great when connected. Wavedash back to a FC and F-air him. Space the move so You are not to close to get grabbed or attack if you miss or he blocks it. N-air out of the shield or FC-Niar or back air out of the shield works great too. Attack out the shield alot and dont roll too much. Remember Fox is speedy.Dont pick up turnips when your in range with fox. Or too much, even at a slight far distance, he can catch you in time to grab or attack you.Only when the time is right grab a turnip. Mix your Dash and grabs. Dont always dash, cause remember this. Most People that play Peach, when Peach runs to them what id most likely expected? A dash attack. and in most cases Peaches do dash attack alot. So mix up the grabs and Dash attack to throw you enemy off. Use Use FC techs fast when in rage with for if you plan to use it at all. Cause FC can leave you open to attacks. Best not to do it too far away and leave yourself open for an attack. The right FC can pwn his azz.You can also grab fox when he tries to drill shine you. But you have to time it. Once he drills you time it right and you can grab him out the shield before the shine comes in. Also out the shield. U-B out if it at times if possible for a quick escape if you need breathing space. Its pretty fast. And breaks through almost anything when done out the shield.
I doubt I need to explain how to edge guard him cause one he is out the stage, its **** time.
If he U-B when trying to return (I love this kill so much) In the middle of it before he is set into flame, hit him with a turnip, its stops him head on and he falls to his Death. B-air him when he does his U-B. But be careful, bad timing , he can go throw it and hit you. Or you both will take each others hits.Foxes now these Days love to F-B to the stage, so time it right and FC to a F/N/ or B-air him to his doom. Also times Fsmashes on him and even up smashes can get him pretty good for the kill. But thats another story. Fox fox is too scared to try to land in the stage, he will try to sweetspot the edge. with timing you can FC D-air to N-air and send his azz out again. Or grab the edge and get back up on the stage moment the move is about to connect. Dsmash works well too. But its all about timing. Also while he Does his U-B, You can FC to him and hit him with an aerial attack before he is set into flames and moves toward the stage. but you can also get burned when he is still in place cause of the flames around him and can but you in danger. and one more lil trick I love to do. But needs timing as well. When fox U-B to the stage, once his is in flames and is coming towards the stage, if you can tell which direction he is going. get over him and FC D -air to N-air. I have been messing this up lately but can work well with the right timing. is being flashy I guess. but if you can do it right. It can do justice in your game play (well I think so anyway)
Well thats all I have as advice to help you with your fox problem. if you have anymore problems. I'll be more then glad to help. Im starting to learn this match up my self and trying to see ways I can handle foxes on different levels and such. hope this helped you. Good luck in your fox battles and own that furry animal.
One more thing I forgot to add. If your getting comboed pretty back and lose your coll. Your giving fox the advantage to beat you even easier. thus player get tick off and rush into fox. and a smart one will abuse you for it. always play the way you was when you were doing just fine. You mis a few DI's and DI smashes and get K.O for it, dont lose your cool for nothing. I tend to do this alot and T get beat worst then I was a minute ago, thus lose my cool or get mad and then get owned. Im trying to get off this habit, cause habits like this are not good and Fox, falco, Shiek and Marths. From start to finish, Play like you always do. your better off that way and still have a chance to come back and own his azz. Just a lil tip from expereence and what I see alot.
Combos:
Here is a list of combos you can do with it on fox at low damage or around 50% or so........
Dtilt, Up-air, Up-air again (if possible to do it gain) Up-B, Open and close the parasol, finish it off with a downsmash.
Dtlit, Grab and start up a chain grab
Dtilt, Utilt, Grab and start a chain grab
Dtilt, Up tilt, N-air or back air. you can also get a F-air in if he i stun long enough and gets sent into the air at a good height for it.
Dtilt, Up tilt, FC to D-air then N-air( do this before he hits the ground).
Dtilt, Forward tilt, Up air, up air again if possible, Up-B, open and close the parasol over and over, then finish it off with a Downsmash. ( you can land in front of him after you do the Up-B and poke him over and over with the move, Get another Dtilt in and abuse him again with and combo you want. its your choice to rack up a lil more damage before you send him packin.
Dtilt, Forward tilt, Upsmash
Dtilt, foward smash
Dtilt, forward tilt, up tilt, then do any air attack you want to finish it off.
I thinks thats all the combos I can think of for now, or all that I know anyway. not you cant just go up to fox and Dtilt. Set it up, bait him to attack and when he leaves him self open, go for it. like wave dash back to Dtilt and some other stuff.
Spammers:
Against spammers its best to try and stay close to them while you evade thier projectiles.
Spammer Falco- Float over his lasers while you go to him, at this same time try to get close and stay on him. Falco cant spam lasers while close up. So he will be force to fight you off, so your combat skills. You will have to bring your air game to the mix. FC techs are a must in this kind of fight. You will be force to Be and fight in the air alot and use FC techs alot. So best get to practice on that.
Well here is a thread for all you Peach players wanting advice. I, Dark.Pch will take the time to look at ALL Peach videos for advice and give out hardcore advice. No cheap ones. I will point out times in the videos to so you can see what you did right/wrong. I rather it just be a simple "give me advice" type thing. No rate my Peach and stuff. I assume you can make a seprate thread for that and get more attention since in here I'll be the one Dishing the advice and such. I may not be as high ranked as other famous Peach players such as cort, XIF.......etc.... But I have a pretty good brain of Peach..though it does not show when I fight. -______-' Playing and knowing are 2 different things so its hard to apply or know when to use it. So i think i can help people out with what I know as much as I can even though. My Peach is what some say wierd as in how I play. I'm getting there soon with more tournament experience and out of state tournaments. came back from my first out of state not to long ago. it was fun but I was very nervous. Nextime I should do better.
well enough about me. Post vids you want advice on and I shall give it to you. No limit to the mumber of vids to give advice in here. But please. Dont try to kill me eh?
also I throw in a bonus of some of my own advice in ertain match ups so incase some vids are based in it you have a better idea on how to go on about the fight. and with extra advice that I give on your vids your good to go
Y.link:
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=114342
Samus:
Samus can be a problem for Peach. But you can be a bigger problem to her. here is a few things I want you to work on if you want to get better at this match.
When you hit her off the stage, if she is far away and below the stage coming back, throw turnips. if they connect a good 2 to 3 times you can send her backing. If she is above you, create a wall of turnips and throw them at her.them when she comes down slowly, hit her with a N-air or some else to keep her off, If he is hanging on the edge, Float over it and do a FC to D-air, then N-ar her for the kil (time it)
when you fight her on the ground, at times you have to be evasive with her. watch for missiles, its always good to have a turnip in your hand and follow up with a combo.. Use the FC techs, to take her out and make the match hard for her. Samus cant really do much about that. Also be patient when fighting her. Watch how the samus moves. watch how they come at you and all.
If getting comboed, DI away. Don't try to get a hit in before her. get some space then go into the fight. Back off when getting comboed
If samus throws you down, DI away from her cause she will hit you with a N-air
Move around alot, wave dash, Dashdance, and Use FC techs, try not to stay still so much. Confuse them in your movement
Watch for her missiles, if you have to retreat go ahead and get some space from her, then you think you got it, go back into the fight. nothing wrong with running away and getting space
Mix up your grabs and dash attacks.
Don't crouch cancel aginst samus too much, you will get owned for it hardcore.
mindgames buddy. Use goodmindgames to own.
Fox:
Dont rush into fox. That can lead to ****. Bait fox into aerials or shines. then react fast to get the hits one. Peach is slow, so rushing or chaseing him, or running away wont help. Patients is Key here. Fox is fast and for that have many advantages on you. It may be hard at first but. best not to try to go all out on him. (unless its a person you know very well or a noob fox) Wave dash to dash dance. and watch how the fox moves. If you get shined, dont try to get a Dsmash in, cause the shine comes in too fast for you to get that in. Smash DI Learn that. you be suprised how that can screw up foxes whole game play. Not this makes the match less harder.
Ok, so now you know that his speed can be trouble. but patients and all can help reduce that trouble. Now for his attacks. Most of then you can crouch cancel to Dtilt or Dsmash. at around 30% I would Dtilt him, then combo him into a grab and chain grab him. at around 80%, Dsmash him to rack up damage. abd send him flying. you will want to rack up as much as possible before sending him out the stage.At low Damage you can Dsmash him if you want, but doing so will send him flying out of your reach thous you have to bait him into you again. When close to fox, you want to rack up as much damage as possible.His up throw, smash DI it and if you cant or miss it DI away from him. Now from this point, Fox will csae you like hell so He can get another U-throw in.Wiggle out when your stuned in the air.and if you can land cause fox is all over the play, Time Your D-air to his U-air. You do it right your D-air can stop his U-air and you can land to the stage. This Down throw, when he does it mix up your techs, like tech in place, tech to the left or right. Mix it up to thrown him off. Cause he might tech chase you. But You need to know how to time the tech when he Dthrows you, cause if you dont, You will eat a smash attack.
Well, now that you know all of this, next you need to know is how to attack a fox. FC can do wonders on his furry azz. and since he is a fast faller, you can combo him pretty easy. Fox can **** Peach. But cause of Foxes weight, He can **** him just as bad. Dtilt pwns foxes to nasty Peach combos. Use this more at low damage. Shoot, even at high damage, you can do it then ether N-air him or Up-air him for the kill. If Fox is like going crazy on the stage and want to slow him down when attacking you. Jab him, that jab stops him dead. Jab one then grab or Dsmash him. And if Times Dtilt as well. F-air does great when connected. Wavedash back to a FC and F-air him. Space the move so You are not to close to get grabbed or attack if you miss or he blocks it. N-air out of the shield or FC-Niar or back air out of the shield works great too. Attack out the shield alot and dont roll too much. Remember Fox is speedy.Dont pick up turnips when your in range with fox. Or too much, even at a slight far distance, he can catch you in time to grab or attack you.Only when the time is right grab a turnip. Mix your Dash and grabs. Dont always dash, cause remember this. Most People that play Peach, when Peach runs to them what id most likely expected? A dash attack. and in most cases Peaches do dash attack alot. So mix up the grabs and Dash attack to throw you enemy off. Use Use FC techs fast when in rage with for if you plan to use it at all. Cause FC can leave you open to attacks. Best not to do it too far away and leave yourself open for an attack. The right FC can pwn his azz.You can also grab fox when he tries to drill shine you. But you have to time it. Once he drills you time it right and you can grab him out the shield before the shine comes in. Also out the shield. U-B out if it at times if possible for a quick escape if you need breathing space. Its pretty fast. And breaks through almost anything when done out the shield.
I doubt I need to explain how to edge guard him cause one he is out the stage, its **** time.
If he U-B when trying to return (I love this kill so much) In the middle of it before he is set into flame, hit him with a turnip, its stops him head on and he falls to his Death. B-air him when he does his U-B. But be careful, bad timing , he can go throw it and hit you. Or you both will take each others hits.Foxes now these Days love to F-B to the stage, so time it right and FC to a F/N/ or B-air him to his doom. Also times Fsmashes on him and even up smashes can get him pretty good for the kill. But thats another story. Fox fox is too scared to try to land in the stage, he will try to sweetspot the edge. with timing you can FC D-air to N-air and send his azz out again. Or grab the edge and get back up on the stage moment the move is about to connect. Dsmash works well too. But its all about timing. Also while he Does his U-B, You can FC to him and hit him with an aerial attack before he is set into flames and moves toward the stage. but you can also get burned when he is still in place cause of the flames around him and can but you in danger. and one more lil trick I love to do. But needs timing as well. When fox U-B to the stage, once his is in flames and is coming towards the stage, if you can tell which direction he is going. get over him and FC D -air to N-air. I have been messing this up lately but can work well with the right timing. is being flashy I guess. but if you can do it right. It can do justice in your game play (well I think so anyway)
Well thats all I have as advice to help you with your fox problem. if you have anymore problems. I'll be more then glad to help. Im starting to learn this match up my self and trying to see ways I can handle foxes on different levels and such. hope this helped you. Good luck in your fox battles and own that furry animal.
One more thing I forgot to add. If your getting comboed pretty back and lose your coll. Your giving fox the advantage to beat you even easier. thus player get tick off and rush into fox. and a smart one will abuse you for it. always play the way you was when you were doing just fine. You mis a few DI's and DI smashes and get K.O for it, dont lose your cool for nothing. I tend to do this alot and T get beat worst then I was a minute ago, thus lose my cool or get mad and then get owned. Im trying to get off this habit, cause habits like this are not good and Fox, falco, Shiek and Marths. From start to finish, Play like you always do. your better off that way and still have a chance to come back and own his azz. Just a lil tip from expereence and what I see alot.
Combos:
Here is a list of combos you can do with it on fox at low damage or around 50% or so........
Dtilt, Up-air, Up-air again (if possible to do it gain) Up-B, Open and close the parasol, finish it off with a downsmash.
Dtlit, Grab and start up a chain grab
Dtilt, Utilt, Grab and start a chain grab
Dtilt, Up tilt, N-air or back air. you can also get a F-air in if he i stun long enough and gets sent into the air at a good height for it.
Dtilt, Up tilt, FC to D-air then N-air( do this before he hits the ground).
Dtilt, Forward tilt, Up air, up air again if possible, Up-B, open and close the parasol over and over, then finish it off with a Downsmash. ( you can land in front of him after you do the Up-B and poke him over and over with the move, Get another Dtilt in and abuse him again with and combo you want. its your choice to rack up a lil more damage before you send him packin.
Dtilt, Forward tilt, Upsmash
Dtilt, foward smash
Dtilt, forward tilt, up tilt, then do any air attack you want to finish it off.
I thinks thats all the combos I can think of for now, or all that I know anyway. not you cant just go up to fox and Dtilt. Set it up, bait him to attack and when he leaves him self open, go for it. like wave dash back to Dtilt and some other stuff.
Spammers:
Against spammers its best to try and stay close to them while you evade thier projectiles.
Spammer Falco- Float over his lasers while you go to him, at this same time try to get close and stay on him. Falco cant spam lasers while close up. So he will be force to fight you off, so your combat skills. You will have to bring your air game to the mix. FC techs are a must in this kind of fight. You will be force to Be and fight in the air alot and use FC techs alot. So best get to practice on that.