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Luigi might not be bad then. Luigi is more of a floaty character that has the best wavedash in the game by far. You will learn to apply wavedashing with Luigi because you will wavedash everywhere instead of running. Also he has a quick combo escape move (his nair). Since your coming from brawl and smash 4 Luigi might be very natural because the combo systems in those games are more escapable and the characters are more floaty so Luigi might be a nice fit.im in this situation as well, played both brawl and smash 4. I mained marth in brawl and main rosalina in smash 4, trying to pick a brand new main for PM as well as learn some basics of the game, i never played much melee but i can wavedash and dash dance fine im just not very good at actually applying these skills at all.
First of all I wanna say you made the right choice of mainim in this situation as well, played both brawl and smash 4. I mained marth in brawl and main rosalina in smash 4, trying to pick a brand new main for PM as well as learn some basics of the game, i never played much melee but i can wavedash and dash dance fine im just not very good at actually applying these skills at all.
I would not recommend Sonic or Squirtle. They have burst movement options and unusual dash/run characteristics that make them play fairly differently. Sonic especially has odd movement, and Squirtle has a lot of odd tech to him that you should definitely not bother with at this point.thanks for the help guys as i kinda want to get into pm a lil bit as well i hated brawl but loved melee so i figured id at some point when i have everything i need for it i will try and see if i can get it to work to try out
i have some questions though. so you guys are saying mario shiek and marth are good starters, but what about sonic, squirtle, or ivysaur? i really want to try out squirtle and ivysuar because the way they play just looks extremely fun and sonic looks good as well
(especially with the shadow like skin :D ) and im loving how he has a more reliable spike with the fair. i never got into competitive melee or brawl ive just now got competitive with sm4sh any more advice for a pm newbie like me?![]()
okay so i should go ivy to get things down then when i feel comfortable with the basics?I would not recommend Sonic or Squirtle. They have burst movement options and unusual dash/run characteristics that make them play fairly differently. Sonic especially has odd movement, and Squirtle has a lot of odd tech to him that you should definitely not bother with at this point.
Ivy has some unusual characteristics as well, but nothing that I think drastically changes her general gameplan. She's a decent starter character, but her slow grab means that DD punishes might be more odd, and her tether-only recovery means that you won't get experience with more typical styles of recovery.
i recommend those three because they're not terrible and they teach you good basics that you can use mostly universally throughout the cast. they also make it difficult to just "ooops, i fell off the side and died randomly : /" if you have a good grasp of the basics (basic control, how and why to dd, an idea on how the spacing game, both move and stage control wise, works, etc...) then you can start picking up whoever and make it work.thanks for the help guys as i kinda want to get into pm a lil bit as well i hated brawl but loved melee so i figured id at some point when i have everything i need for it i will try and see if i can get it to work to try out
i have some questions though. so you guys are saying mario shiek and marth are good starters, but what about sonic, squirtle, or ivysaur? i really want to try out squirtle and ivysuar because the way they play just looks extremely fun and sonic looks good as well
(especially with the shadow like skin :D ) and im loving how he has a more reliable spike with the fair. i never got into competitive melee or brawl ive just now got competitive with sm4sh any more advice for a pm newbie like me?![]()
Yeah, that's probably a better game plan.okay so i should go ivy to get things down then when i feel comfortable with the basics?
You'd be right, IC's are very very unusual, and you probably want to hold off on them for a bit as well.also i i was wondering about ice climbers as well ive wanted to try them since i got back into melee (watching it ive lost my copy and its too expensive to just buy DX) but if im not mistaken they have always been hard to learn.
It's not allowed to discuss leaks, real or fake, on Smashboards, so I can't really answer that.another question (sorry for all of them)
is knuckles actually gonna be added to pm or was that a joke of some sort? because i would love to see another sonic rep and knuckles seems perfect :D
makes sense 2 questions for you thoughi recommend those three because they're not terrible and they teach you good basics that you can use mostly universally throughout the cast. they also make it difficult to just "ooops, i fell off the side and died randomly : /" if you have a good grasp of the basics (basic control, how and why to dd, an idea on how the spacing game, both move and stage control wise, works, etc...) then you can start picking up whoever and make it work.
i just don't like recommending newer players pick up goofier characters because they don't necessarily teach you "smash". they teach you "squirtle" or "snake" or whoever it is. which isn't necessarily bad, but if you've only played that character most of your smash career, it gets difficult to pick up and switch to other characters later on, as well as making it more difficult to understand why some characters do the things they do and how/why those things work.
/clarification
oh okay i mean i dont wanna break any of the rules but its been a year as the last ive seen about him and i looked on the voting poll and it showed him as an f under pichu, plusle and minun and even slippy toad.It's not allowed to discuss leaks, real or fake, on Smashboards, so I can't really answer that.
it's really subjective to me. like, they don't play "normal" smash, as in they do stage control or option coverage drastically differently than most of the rest of the cast. or they have movement that works very differently to the rest of the cast. squirtle's kind of in this boat (leading a bit into your second question) because i joke around that you need to spend a week practicing him to learn to not kill yourself just doing normal on stage stuff. once you get past that, he mostly plays the way you would expect a highly mobile character to do so (i.e. a lot of low commitment stuff to open the opponent up, lead into combos. try to get knockdowns to use mobility/speed for tech chasing, etc... not super good at outright killing, but builds incremental damage up to get the killing blow or gimps).makes sense 2 questions for you though
1. whats a "goofy" character
kinda subjective, too, but for me luigi almost falls into a funky character paradigm. he's built on burst mobility from downb and wd, has mostly juggling moves, but low aerial movement speed making it hard to do much if they di out without a commitment in the form of wavedashing, and his aerial pressure is also odd in that he likes to double aerial you with his fast aerials and floaty fall speed.2. and how would learning snake or squirtle be different from learning say luigi or lucas
so it seems like basicly if the character plays like a normal character (mario, dk, maybe peach) and goofier character have something weird about them that you have to play around with before you play them to their potential?-snip-
this works, too.lmao the advice in this thread is so bad
step 1. pick a character you like
step 2. kill the ****ing opponent
I pretty much agree with this.lmao the advice in this thread is so bad
step 1. pick a character you like
step 2. kill the ****ing opponent