Mother's Boys - The Lucas and Ness FAQ

[TengenToppaDrill]

You must have put a lot of work into this. It paid off.

 

[Airgemini]

This must've taken forever to make.
I like it.

 

[Aevin]

Thanks for the encouraging words, guys. BTW, for anyone other than me who keeps track of how much this is updated ... I haven't forgotten about it. I've got a lot of stuff to add, hopefully some time soon.

 

[[TSON]]

As for air stalling:

You can create a FoP by tap jumping, air stalling, then magnet zapping simultaneously, very close to the ground. The only way out is to quick rise.

 

[Earthbound360]

^^^
What's FoP?

 

[Aevin]

Updated with a bit of advanced tactics information, and filled out the character match-up section. Some of the match-ups are not my strongest, so if you guys have any tips I should add, please let me know.

 

[DanGR]

Is it well known that Lucas' upair has downward momentum? I'd like to make a new thread about it, but I'm not sure if it's already known...

 

[Greenstreet]

good guide. lucas has an aerial game i can say but it takes a fair amount of skill to b able to successfully implement it against human players. that bair is very hard to position 100%

 

[Earthbound360]

Aevin, I think you should include B-reversing. It's useful for both of them. Zap jumping and PK Jumping decrease in height (especially PK Jumping). The same goes for Firebound and a B-sticked Zap jump (used for Wavezapping). B reversing is when you use a B move then immediately hit the opposite direction you are facing to turn around and change your momentum. It's like a B-stick only you turn around.

Normally for Lucas, people who use the glitches to recover would DI backwards, and B-stick PKF and press jump at the same time. The problem with this is is that you will be zap jumping backwards, decreasing your height. If you B-reverse it though you will get the maximum height. To do it, hold forwards towards the stage, hit C stick and jump at the same time, then hit backwards on the control stick immediately afterwards. This way you zap jump (with max height), then the B-stick shoots Lucas towards the stage, then you use PSIM.

Ness can use this when he needs to turn aorund to PK Jump or Firebound. You can use eeither one on someone behind you without having to turn around first. Like you can hit with a bair, then reverse a PK Jump.

 

[Aevin]

Thanks for the information. My Wii moved away along with my roommate, but I'll have access to one tomorrow and try to check out some of your tricks. Oh, on a side note ... You could probably remove 2Dios from your friends list. I'd still like to play you again some time, so I guess I'll give you my new friend code when I have one. *sigh*

 

[Hardcorenesser]

i don't know where to post this... just so you know the stars from yoshi's pound can be absorbed with psi magnet. i remember there used to be a thread that said what can and can't be absorbed and they said that they can't be absorbed. i just figured out they can be. just thought i'd tell you guys.

 

[Aevin]

It's been in the chart here for some time ... but not everyone looks there, so thanks for the reminder.

 

[Masque]

Wonderful guide. Maybe it will help me be not-so-terrible, as opposed to just-plain-awful. ^_^;

 

[Greenstreet]

cool guide. tho whether they shud b together considerin they have separate rooms can b a subject under debate. (and is most likely.)

 

[Chuee]

Great guide.
I think that lucas could win some of the match ups besides the slow opponents because beside having speed lucas also has power, like his up smash attack.

 

[Thirskk]

Great guide!!!!
Very Well done!!
this has helped me alot since i just decided to pick up the Boys as alts and possibly mains someday.

 

[Barge]

Wow, this guide is spectacular, very nice.

 

[io728]

Awesome.
Just so you know, Lucas' PK Fire does 5% to the person it hits, then 3% in the hit radius.

 

[soccerdude7200]

DEAN!!
this guide is very helpful

 

[Iron Mushroom]

I hearby revive this thread. The Lucas board is dead anyway, so it was kinda pointless for me to revive this.

 

[Tyr_03]

Yes it was pointless