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I find Nabe interrupting my questioning interesting. I don't see the point in asking someone about their questioning before making a conclusion. I could understand asking after it, doing it before doesn't really help to get a good read. Gheb I am null on, I don't know where he stands.
This is unhelpful. Don't nudge me and I won't nudge you. Do what you do, buckaroo.
I liked the latter half of it, but didn't agree with the first little bit.
I feel like Ran is going overboard with the vote (which looks super aggressive in comparison to what I've come to expect from Ran's voting style), but he's going off of the only lead that he has at the moment. Fanny looks like he's trying to save face while he clearly didn't read Defen's response fully, but I'm not sure if that puts him in the position of being scum... I'd like to remind everyone that people are suspicious by nature, so while Fanny "tainting" Ran's image could have been on purpose, it may have also been Fanny showing some of his suspicion towards another slot or pressuring Ran to see how he would react.
I think that Vult is trying to get a read on me, as I'm one of the people in this game he's played with before and he seemed to greatly dislike my slot before (and maybe even after?) the replacement. I'm fine with my rump being nudged, but I honestly think that Ryu needs more nudging to get active again.
No more!
Let's take a detailed look at Kouse's content thus far, starting at the beginning of the game:
Okay that's scummy, but Im not convinced that's some form of distancing between the both of them, its the problem with looking for connections when the town has no info. It's specially odd that you are looking for this connection when you are townreading Ran.
So you think one player outed themselves as scum on the RVS phase and yet you go and make a push to another player on the flimsy assumption that they are a scumteam despite it being day 1 and having no confirms and it making much more sense to just go for the one guy you actually think is scum.Hey look, it's Gheb and he even read the whole thread!
I first wanna make it clear that I take back whatever little I said about Ran and Kouse. Ran is super-awesome-obvious town in my book and ... I know it sounds crazy but ... I think he's right on just about everything so far?!? I also like Vult for the most part. They seem to be quite OK with each other too so I think the ideal scenario would be for us three to just ally up and steamroll this game asap. I think this one will go pretty fast.
Ryu, Doop and Spak all ... kinda exist but I don't really care about them a whole lot and I'm totally OK with putting a hold on reading them for an indefinite amount of time.
Kouse and Fanny are the scumteam and we should lynch them. Kouse has been exposed as scum pretty much in RVS and Fanny made some clumsy attempts to cover for him without aggroing Ran - who has both of them individually as scum reads. These are the hard stances I'm willing to commit to now until any of it turns out to be wrong. But to get this game going I think lynching Fanny is the right course of action.
Vote: FandangoX
This is textbook-definition Nabe bull****. I'm still mad at what he pulled last game.
Maven89
prod Kouse?
#HBC | Red Ryu
what are your thoughts so far? You were active early on, but then disappeared.
fand reads town - this is gut for now, i'll reread and figure out why tomorrow[/QUOTE}Re-read Ran vs Fand
i'll give you the same pass i gave to RR.
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but i thought Kouse was exposed as scum?????
Re-read Ran vs Fand
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but i thought Kouse was exposed as scum?????
I was just listing a lot of possibilities. I said it was unlikely because I think Ran is town, but nobody aside from the mod and Mafia (unless there's traitor/indie) can know anything for sure at this point. I think it's useful to look for connections at any point in the game so that we can look back and more easily see who was trying to get closer to whom later when we have some flips. The whole questioning of Ran seems unwarrented, so that makes me think that either Kouse wanted to push someone he knew as he was getting oriented with the game (could do that as either town or scum), or decided to push Ran so that it looked like they weren't together (which would explain its suddenness and how it seemed to unnaturally disrupt the flow of the thread). Either way, Kouse needs to get back in here and respond to my case so I can actually get a better feel for the slot.
I'm sure as nudge you're not talking about Battle Network, a game in 2014, a game I wanted to co-mod rather than play in, a game explicitly ruined by an early impulsive dayvig shot (not by me), a sea of replacements (not me), and a scum-powered half-the-votes lynch D2 that put scum in alpha territory D3 without the game really having played out at all, and certainly not as anyone could have expected it would. Also, worth noting, a game where I played the only day that mattered (D1) leaning into my PR (neighbourizer, my favourite) and then lost the ability N1 and had nothing to show as a result.
What made you change your mind on Kouse?I don't mind lynching Kouse first if that's what you guys wanna do. I just saw that Fanny had a fresh vote on him and wanted to keep the momentum going.
Let's be clear -- it's not about me wanting to look town (because that's not a valid reading at all, me saying it is genuinely empty even if people take me up on it like Spak and revitalize their content). It's about me wanting and subsequently inviting a thread of players who are easy to read and have new commentary, who aren't having a muddy wallow in the field about whether or not a now-gone player's answer to a question was a proper answer or dodged the question, when the question took place in the first 24 hours of the Day and was a question about nothing to begin with.
Nothing specifically. I just hadn't really read the thread back then and didn't consider the whole context of your exchange with Kouse as a result.
Vult Redux
was right when he said my comments on the issue were lazy.
What no, I didn't play that game if I recall correctly, I don't know why you'd equate "last game" to something from 2014. I was actually thinking of Revival of Dgames mafia, but upon checking it you weren't a player on that one, I confused you with the Rake Effect. That said I do remember a game where you were mostly inactive, generally unhelpful to town and refused to cooperate, and you were a towney, but I guess its pointless since I didn't even remember the game I meant properly. I did bring it up Dooplisity to give some context that post alone is not inherently scummy since I remember you doing that sort of thing often.
That's the thing though about searching for connections like this, they can mislead one's leads. Would your read on ran change if Kouse were to flip scum?
Pretty sure no one was voting me at any point, so you just pretty much voted me over faulty logic when you claimed to have an actual suspect and joined a wagon that didn't exist.Nothing specifically. I just hadn't really read the thread back then and didn't consider the whole context of your exchange with Kouse as a result.
"nothing specifically" That doesn't sound confident as an argument against someone you claim outed themselves as Scum. What exactly makes you believe Kouse outed themselves as scum?Nothing specifically. I just hadn't really read the thread back then and didn't consider the whole context of your exchange with Kouse as a result.
#HBC | Red Ryu
You off work yet?
the reason he looks better afterwards is at least partly because of my pressure and questions. :V you're welcome
Ran had voted you and I think he took my agreeing with him as part of the momentum.
he's a scumbag who made up a read to appease the town and we caught him being unable to back it up
What reasoning?Fandango why don't you respond to my reasoning. Also release why you asked me about Defens position on Kouse, it is anti-town. What are your reads?
@Kouseband Where are you? Please post.
Maven89
when is the deadline?
That wouldn't be enough to make him instantly change alignment (because Kouse may be scum and thought that would be a legit route to go down vs Ran, not knowing much about forum Mafia), but it would certainly make scum!Ran more plausible in my mind.
Not much. I think Vult is a town lean, and I want to completely re-read Fanny's slot before giving an assessment on it. I read Ryu's inactivity as null if he's been working the whole time (real life priorities over Mafia), but I expect something fairly substantial from him read-wise by the end of the phase if he wants to not be on my scum list D2. Kouse still looks scummy, you still look townie, Nabe, Gheb, and Doop all still look null, and I'm still confirmed town.
Flip the town lean and scum lean here.
Mixed up slots.
