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[Ghirahilda]

And everyone was expecting nothing... unpredictable Sakurai is unpredictable until being unpredictable

 

[MechaWave]

Basically: this is a good thing.

 

[Admiral Pit]

Does anyone know what Sakurai means by "Grab controls will no longer be affected by whether you have above or below 100% damage." Did something happen in Brawl when you got to 100? I don't remember anything like that.

Characters that are at or above 100% damage will take longer to get up from ledge (this includes their attack and "get up" options being different and slower, and will hold the ledge for a shorter time before auto falling.

Example: Below 100% Pit does a low kick at decent speed from the ledge. At or above 100%, he slowly gets up and does a reaching stab, making it easier to react against said attack.

Now this is something I'm actually interested in to see, to see even the ledge game change.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Sakurai is doing something competitive related?

This is a kickass update.

 

[McDuckletts]

 

[RelaxAlax]

Well, descriptions are nice but we won't really know the full implications until we get our hands on it. But good update nonetheless.

 

[RazorwireTroop]

"Grab controls will no longer be affected by whether you have above or below 100% damage."

...So does this mean that the characters will no longer have a slower "tired animation" getting-up attack?

Not sure what to think of these gameplay changes. But I'm curious.

This is what I would Imagine :D

 

[Cap'nChreest]

OH NO!!! I forgot about Yoshi?? How is AMSA going to play a crazy invincible Yoshi without edge grab invincibility? (That wave land to upair was pretty sweet though) this will help low tiers sure but higher tiers? I can't see it benefiting them other than keeping them from getting gimped. along with everyone else. I wonder how much invincibility you can get. Probably 2 minutes worth with 999% or something.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

So edgehoging is no longer gonna be foolproof. I hope it still works to an extent but it's nice to see tether characters will have a better chance.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Sakurai really is listening to fans complaining about balance and gameplay problems!

Nice!

 

[XStarWarriorX]

I'M SO FLIPPING HAPPY, NO MORE LEDGE CAMPING, NO MORE EXCESSIVE AIR DODGES, HIT STUN IS WORKING LIKE IT SHOULD......

DAT NAMCO INFLUENCE! I LOVE IT!

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Wow out of left field Sakurai lays down some nice gameplay info that's actually very technical. How exactly it works we won't know, but this will definitely help out characters who need the edge to recover like Link (who, oddly enough, has a history of bad recoveries and coincidentally being used as an example) have solid recoveries. The over 100% attacks from ledge were fairly risky, but we're almost like a delayed get up attack mix up, which now that I think about it would be cool if you could delay ledge attacks.

This really makes me feel comfortable that Sakurai is addressing the balance issues in smash. A nice acknowledgment of the competitive scene if you ask me.

 

[MechaWave]

I'll hopefully somewhat explain this well enough:

- In the initial picture, Mario was hogging the edge. When Mario lost invincibility and performed a different action, Link grabbed the edge. Mario then experienced hitstun. This effectively makes edgehogging more difficult to perform.
- In all previous games, damage plays a role in some properties. If you have a lot of damage, you are grabbed much longer in Brawl, for example. Similarly this is what Sakurai explains about invincibility time on the edge. But whether low % = less invicinbility or vice versa, we can't really say without seeing footage. On top of that, how long you are in the air is another variable for invincibility time. Less invincibility for those who just drop down and keep regrabbing the edge, more for those who are actually trying to recover from the blast line. All in all it makes edgehogging more difficult.
- The last bullet is fairly obvious. In all 3 games you jump/attack/recover faster when you grab a ledge with <100%, but slower with >100%. I suppose this doesn't happen anymore given the information.

What does this mean? Basically, it is a very effective balancing tool, especially for how Brawl gave edgehogging an extreme advantage (long invincibility on top of Brawl's defensive game, and auto-sweetspot ledges.)

 

[mygamecube]

Very, very interesting bit of information here.

 

[McDuckletts]

 

[Johnknight1]

Some other changes include:
-Air time and accumulated damage will determine your period of invincibility while hanging on an edge.
-Grab controls will no longer be affected by whether you have above or below 100% damage.

Love all these changes.

Good job Sakruai and co!!!!

 

[Cap'nChreest]

2. Regarding damage, assume you get killed and come back to your opponent being at a higher percent. You knock him offstage, and go for the edgehog. Since youre at a lower percent, you have greater invincibility to play with for edge hogging.

Don't you think since it seems he's trying to cater to the one grabbing the ledge and not edge hogging that the players with a higher percent get more invincibility?

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

Sakurai thoroughly addresses the problem of planking. It looks like stealing a ledge from someone at the last moment actively rejects them with an animation (so if you jump out to disrupt planking, you're going to be given a punish opportunity for hitting the ledge first that leaves them precariously off-stage whereas given the nature of it you probably end up back on-stage if you fail). If they hang out on the ledge, they get less invincibility. Finally, the last change is a little mysterious; I don't know if he means that they removed the difference between over 100% ledge actions (which generally were a huge disadvantage) or if they mean you can hold onto the ledge without being forced to let go the same amount at all damages (I'm not sure, but I think you were forced to drop faster at high damage, but it was such a long time always that it was competitively irrelevant). Regardless, I'm very impressed by this solution; Sakurai is taking a bad game aspect, fixing it, and doing so in a carefuly way that doesn't compromise the good parts of core gameplay.

This is by far the best update we've gotten so far either way, and it definitely trumps even a newcomer. This addressed one of the largest core issues that hurt Brawl at a competitive level and to be honest was a bit of a problme in Melee too (see: Sheik). I had been wondering what actions Sakurai would take to address this issue, and I'm pleased with the answer. Even more, seeing this issue tackled so directly gives me hope that the other corner abuses that transform smash bros into a nightmare (like the long chaingrabs) will have similar throughtful fixes applied.

 

[The Real Gamer]

Sums up my reaction to today's update:

 

[extremechiton]

what i think this all means:

there is just one get up attack and animation, which i think is good for this type of game.
i hope this opens the door for special ledge attacks.

i think this helps recovering. unlike melee where it was really hard to recovery "sweetspotting" the edge, i think this will favor more to the one who is recovering.

i also think the more damage you have, the more invincibility frames you get, just to make sure you dont get gimped before you get on the stage again and have a fighting chance.

i also think recovering from below will more than likely grab the ledge first than someone recovering from above. so no more, quick edgehogs at the last second, which leads me to ledge grabbing priority.

 

[Jigglymaster]

This is a wonderful change and I'm even more excited for the game now. With this, now you only get a good amount of invincibility if you're actually recovering or you have a high percentage (which probably means you're losing). So anybody who's purposely trying to either time out by re-grabbing the ledge, won't be able to! They're finally making the ledge a place you DON'T want to be.

 

[The Real Gamer]

Best update by far if this is officially the end of ledge stalling/planking.

 

[extremechiton]

i also wonder.... if in helpless state: can you footstool someone who is grabbing the ledge?

or in my previous suggestion (not the one made here but one i have had for a while), where if someone is grabbing the ledge, you can grab onto that person instead of the ledge. and then there would be some mechanics in play that allow you to either

1) climb over the person grabbing the ledge
2) pull the person off the ledge
3) the person on the ledge kicks you off
4) the person on the ledge gets up, you the person with them, but after they get up, you are now grabbing the ledge.

i think character weight and damage, would affect who gets pulled off, kicked off, or pulled up.
in teams i think this would help a teammate with recovering.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

GUYS!

This night may get even better!

 

[MSmariosonic]

Oh boy...The Hero Of Time is finally getting a "buff".

 

[XStarWarriorX]

GUYS!

This night may get even better!

WAIT WHAT? Playable Please?

Is this real?

 

[MSmariosonic]

Oh boy...The Hero Of Time is finally getting a "buff".

 

[Thunderfang747]

GUYS!

This night may get even better!

Woah, where'd this come from?! Is this confirmed real?

 

[MasterOfKnees]

So... gameplay stuff. That's pretty neat actually.

Oh, and what's up with the Palutena image?

 

[LunchPolice]

Wow, coupled with the subtraction of Brawl's easy-grab ledges it seems like Smash's off-stage game is a lot different. Good to see Sakurai's switching things up, especially if that means taking a step back from the overly casual-friendly Brawl. ... Yep. That was way too many hyphens in one post.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

GUYS!

This night may get even better!

Wait wtf...

Admiral...get in here...

 

[FalKoopa]

Where did the Palutena image come from? Please tell me she's going to be playable.

 

[LunchPolice]

I kinda doubt that Palutena's real. I swear she looked a little more cartoonish proportion-wise in Kid Icarus Uprising.
aah! again with the hyphens!

 

[Xaltis]

GUYS!

This night may get even better!

Where did you get this from? Sources please!

 

[MechaWave]

No one knows the origin of the image. It was found on 4chan initially.

 

[The Drilling Juggernaut]

I wouldn't get to excited about the Palutena picture guys, word is the guy who posted it said she is an assist trophy. "So yay legit leak! Oh wait, it's a deconformation?" *board explodes*

 

[Xaltis]

No one knows the origin of the image. It was found on 4chan initially.

Dammit 4chan LOL I'm sure she is going to be in though either way.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Where did you get this from? Sources please!

I just reposted what I found in the rumor thread.

 

[FalKoopa]

4chan.

My hopes are half-gone.

 

[XStarWarriorX]

I'm gonna be annoyed if she's an assist. this better not be true.