Meta Knight Officially Banned!

Nidtendofreak · Oct 8, 2011

King Beef said:
Most Peach mains like it as well. I know it's a frequent choice by Illmatic in some matchups, I'm pretty sure Nicole and the others use it as well. I used to use it a lot, but after 2010 hit and most players had a pocket MK to switch to, I stopped using it.

Ya, it's the main reason why I never bothered to pick it: don't know who has a pocket MK that they only pull out for those stages. PS2 was a safer bet for me.

It was funny to watch a local new Ike against a Falco though. Falco guy didn't realize Brinstar was a CP choice and got smacked around the whole match.

Llumys · Oct 8, 2011

Just reading through some of the more recent pages, and Olimar's not going to be more playable. One of the reasons he's climbed on the list and become more popular is because of his even match-up with Meta Knight.

Jimmyfosho · Oct 8, 2011

Llumys said:
Just reading through some of the more recent pages, and Olimar's not going to be more playable. One of the reasons he's climbed on the list and become more popular is because of his even match-up with Meta Knight.

uh that's sorta like the same thing with most of the high/top tier characters.

Metakill · Oct 8, 2011

The Tier List was based on the chances of the other characters against MK.

That's why Diddy get 2nd.

:troll:

Luco · Oct 8, 2011

So I guess the tier list then gets rewritten...

Well this will truly be interesting to see.

WindMajor · Oct 8, 2011

Fierce Deku said:
The shorter the time limit, the more effective stalling/running/camping is. That's not what the game is about, it's designed and centered around taking all the opponents stock. Even without intentional stalling, some matches wouldn't be allowed to finish with a short time limit. Someone who's been involved in ruleset crafting please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm under the impression we wouldn't even have time limits if it weren't for the fact that we need to move the tourneys along so that they can be completed in the allotted time.

Before anyone compares this to other fighting games, remember that Smash is not two characters depleting each others' health in a relatively small box specifically designed to have a timer going. In smash a timer just lets people win without necessarily seeing the match through to the conclusion it ideally would be allowed to reach.

On a different topic, all these anti-MK rules that people are suggesting are further confirming how much he dominates the metagame. Whether you're pro-ban, or anti-ban but with a bunch of rules to limit MK, you're admitting that MK is a major problem. Making rules that will screw with the rest of the metagame just to keep MK down makes a mess, while banning him stops the problem at the source, removing all of MK's direct repression of the metagame (through being way overpowered/broken) as well as the indirect problems (like the side effects of a bunch of anti-MK rules). I feel like all our tournaments are being set on fire, and some people want flame retardant Wiis and for buckets of water to be part of the venue fee, when we could really just arrest the one guy with the flamethrower who's torching everything.

This is a great post, and the bolded part hit the nail right on the head.

Cassio · Oct 8, 2011

Smash has a long standing history of saving characters before stages. Even in brawl.

da K.I.D. said:
So... Does anyone have an actual, legitimate reason here?

Actually theres an entire thread about it here:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=304966 Good luck trying to debunk the arguments though, lol.

Vinylic. · Oct 8, 2011

Fierce Deku said:
The shorter the time limit, the more effective stalling/running/camping is. That's not what the game is about, it's designed and centered around taking all the opponents stock. Even without intentional stalling, some matches wouldn't be allowed to finish with a short time limit. Someone who's been involved in ruleset crafting please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm under the impression we wouldn't even have time limits if it weren't for the fact that we need to move the tourneys along so that they can be completed in the allotted time.

Before anyone compares this to other fighting games, remember that Smash is not two characters depleting each others' health in a relatively small box specifically designed to have a timer going. In smash a timer just lets people win without necessarily seeing the match through to the conclusion it ideally would be allowed to reach.

On a different topic, all these anti-MK rules that people are suggesting are further confirming how much he dominates the metagame. Whether you're pro-ban, or anti-ban but with a bunch of rules to limit MK, you're admitting that MK is a major problem. Making rules that will screw with the rest of the metagame just to keep MK down makes a mess, while banning him stops the problem at the source, removing all of MK's direct repression of the metagame (through being way overpowered/broken) as well as the indirect problems (like the side effects of a bunch of anti-MK rules). I feel like all our tournaments are being set on fire, and some people want flame retardant Wiis and for buckets of water to be part of the venue fee, when we could really just arrest the one guy with the flamethrower who's torching everything.

God Damn, I love this post.

NinjaFoxX · Oct 8, 2011

Fierce Deku said:
The shorter the time limit, the more effective stalling/running/camping is. That's not what the game is about, it's designed and centered around taking all the opponents stock. Even without intentional stalling, some matches wouldn't be allowed to finish with a short time limit. Someone who's been involved in ruleset crafting please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm under the impression we wouldn't even have time limits if it weren't for the fact that we need to move the tourneys along so that they can be completed in the allotted time.

Before anyone compares this to other fighting games, remember that Smash is not two characters depleting each others' health in a relatively small box specifically designed to have a timer going. In smash a timer just lets people win without necessarily seeing the match through to the conclusion it ideally would be allowed to reach.

On a different topic, all these anti-MK rules that people are suggesting are further confirming how much he dominates the metagame. Whether you're pro-ban, or anti-ban but with a bunch of rules to limit MK, you're admitting that MK is a major problem. Making rules that will screw with the rest of the metagame just to keep MK down makes a mess, while banning him stops the problem at the source, removing all of MK's direct repression of the metagame (through being way overpowered/broken) as well as the indirect problems (like the side effects of a bunch of anti-MK rules). I feel like all our tournaments are being set on fire, and some people want flame retardant Wiis and for buckets of water to be part of the venue fee, when we could really just arrest the one guy with the flamethrower who's torching everything.

post 4200 is gold

ElDominio · Oct 9, 2011

Fierce Deku said:
The shorter the time limit, the more effective stalling/running/camping is. That's not what the game is about, it's designed and centered around taking all the opponents stock. Even without intentional stalling, some matches wouldn't be allowed to finish with a short time limit. Someone who's been involved in ruleset crafting please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm under the impression we wouldn't even have time limits if it weren't for the fact that we need to move the tourneys along so that they can be completed in the allotted time.

Before anyone compares this to other fighting games, remember that Smash is not two characters depleting each others' health in a relatively small box specifically designed to have a timer going. In smash a timer just lets people win without necessarily seeing the match through to the conclusion it ideally would be allowed to reach.

On a different topic, all these anti-MK rules that people are suggesting are further confirming how much he dominates the metagame. Whether you're pro-ban, or anti-ban but with a bunch of rules to limit MK, you're admitting that MK is a major problem. Making rules that will screw with the rest of the metagame just to keep MK down makes a mess, while banning him stops the problem at the source, removing all of MK's direct repression of the metagame (through being way overpowered/broken) as well as the indirect problems (like the side effects of a bunch of anti-MK rules). I feel like all our tournaments are being set on fire, and some people want flame retardant Wiis and for buckets of water to be part of the venue fee, when we could really just arrest the one guy with the flamethrower who's torching everything.

This thread can't have enough of this post.

E-123 Epsilon · Oct 9, 2011

Yippee! I always hated meta knight, and I'm so glad he's banned!

Dance with me, everyone!

Thino · Oct 9, 2011

Fierce Deku said:
The shorter the time limit, the more effective stalling/running/camping is. That's not what the game is about, it's designed and centered around taking all the opponents stock. Even without intentional stalling, some matches wouldn't be allowed to finish with a short time limit. Someone who's been involved in ruleset crafting please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm under the impression we wouldn't even have time limits if it weren't for the fact that we need to move the tourneys along so that they can be completed in the allotted time.

Before anyone compares this to other fighting games, remember that Smash is not two characters depleting each others' health in a relatively small box specifically designed to have a timer going. In smash a timer just lets people win without necessarily seeing the match through to the conclusion it ideally would be allowed to reach.

On a different topic, all these anti-MK rules that people are suggesting are further confirming how much he dominates the metagame. Whether you're pro-ban, or anti-ban but with a bunch of rules to limit MK, you're admitting that MK is a major problem. Making rules that will screw with the rest of the metagame just to keep MK down makes a mess, while banning him stops the problem at the source, removing all of MK's direct repression of the metagame (through being way overpowered/broken) as well as the indirect problems (like the side effects of a bunch of anti-MK rules). I feel like all our tournaments are being set on fire, and some people want flame retardant Wiis and for buckets of water to be part of the venue fee, when we could really just arrest the one guy with the flamethrower who's torching everything.

This post is entirely correct , but only for what it covers, you did well mentioning in the last paragraph Whether you're pro-ban, or anti-ban but with a bunch of rules to limit MK because there is also a part of the anti-bans that don't necessarily think additional rules are required to stop MK's dominance and that do not think tournaments are being set on fire at all.

DMG · Oct 9, 2011

That group of people is in the extreme minority. People that believe MK is fine without restriction of planking/scrooging/etc.

IhaveSonar · Oct 9, 2011

Fierce Deku said:
The shorter the time limit, the more effective stalling/running/camping is. That's not what the game is about, it's designed and centered around taking all the opponents stock. Even without intentional stalling, some matches wouldn't be allowed to finish with a short time limit. Someone who's been involved in ruleset crafting please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm under the impression we wouldn't even have time limits if it weren't for the fact that we need to move the tourneys along so that they can be completed in the allotted time.

Before anyone compares this to other fighting games, remember that Smash is not two characters depleting each others' health in a relatively small box specifically designed to have a timer going. In smash a timer just lets people win without necessarily seeing the match through to the conclusion it ideally would be allowed to reach.

On a different topic, all these anti-MK rules that people are suggesting are further confirming how much he dominates the metagame. Whether you're pro-ban, or anti-ban but with a bunch of rules to limit MK, you're admitting that MK is a major problem. Making rules that will screw with the rest of the metagame just to keep MK down makes a mess, while banning him stops the problem at the source, removing all of MK's direct repression of the metagame (through being way overpowered/broken) as well as the indirect problems (like the side effects of a bunch of anti-MK rules). I feel like all our tournaments are being set on fire, and some people want flame retardant Wiis and for buckets of water to be part of the venue fee, when we could really just arrest the one guy with the flamethrower who's torching everything.

Can I sig some of this?

Katakiri · Oct 9, 2011

Fierce Deku said:
The shorter the time limit, the more effective stalling/running/camping is. That's not what the game is about, it's designed and centered around taking all the opponents stock. Even without intentional stalling, some matches wouldn't be allowed to finish with a short time limit. Someone who's been involved in ruleset crafting please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm under the impression we wouldn't even have time limits if it weren't for the fact that we need to move the tourneys along so that they can be completed in the allotted time.

Before anyone compares this to other fighting games, remember that Smash is not two characters depleting each others' health in a relatively small box specifically designed to have a timer going. In smash a timer just lets people win without necessarily seeing the match through to the conclusion it ideally would be allowed to reach.

On a different topic, all these anti-MK rules that people are suggesting are further confirming how much he dominates the metagame. Whether you're pro-ban, or anti-ban but with a bunch of rules to limit MK, you're admitting that MK is a major problem. Making rules that will screw with the rest of the metagame just to keep MK down makes a mess, while banning him stops the problem at the source, removing all of MK's direct repression of the metagame (through being way overpowered/broken) as well as the indirect problems (like the side effects of a bunch of anti-MK rules). I feel like all our tournaments are being set on fire, and some people want flame retardant Wiis and for buckets of water to be part of the venue fee, when we could really just arrest the one guy with the flamethrower who's torching everything.

Random Ike Guy, is that you?

Karnu · Oct 9, 2011

This is a load of bull! Why the hell can someone ban a character from a game??? I dont know why people have a problem with meta knight (Mind you i have read the teir list) but i have never had problems beating meta knight. but anyways im still gonna use him and if you dont like it you can deal with it.

Flayl · Oct 9, 2011

If you don't go to tournaments this doesn't affect you. Also it's a USA/Canada thing. You're from Australia.

Doc King · Oct 9, 2011

BC25 said:
This is a load of bull! Why the hell can someone ban a character from a game??? I dont know why people have a problem with meta knight (Mind you i have read the teir list) but i have never had problems beating meta knight. but anyways im still gonna use him and if you dont like it you can deal with it.

MK was banned due to him overcentralizing the game. He breaks stuff such as character countering, a lot of stages, etc. MK was just way too good and earned like 60% of the tourney paper even though we gave him a bunch of restrictions like had a ledge grab limit, infinite dementional cape was banned, stages like rc and brinstar were banned, etc.

Flayl said:
If you don't go to tournaments this doesn't affect you. Also it's a USA/Canada thing. You're from Australia.

That's another good thing to point out. U.S.A. is basically the potential of MK and in there unlike in other places, MK is way too good and can shut down everyone with his planking game.

Karnu · Oct 9, 2011

Doc King said:
MK was banned due to him overcentralizing the game. He breaks stuff such as character countering, a lot of stages, etc. MK was just way too good and earned like 60% of the tourney paper even though we gave him a bunch of restrictions like had a ledge grab limit, infinite dementional cape was banned, stages like rc and brinstar were banned, etc.

That's another good thing to point out. U.S.A. is basically the potential of MK and in there unlike in other places, MK is way too good and can shut down everyone with his planking game.

I see but mind you characters like Lucario and Marth can counter Meta Knight by using there down special.

Conviction · Oct 9, 2011

BC25 said:
I see but mind you characters like Lucario and Marth can counter Meta Knight by using there down special.

But I can grab them if they down special.

Hippieslayer · Oct 9, 2011

BC25 said:
I see but mind you characters like Lucario and Marth can counter Meta Knight by using there down special.

Dat Australian Metagame

Circle_Breaker · Oct 9, 2011

unban MK, lucario and marth are hard counters. can't believe we didn't just ask the australians about this, clever guys.

Karnu · Oct 9, 2011

xIblisx said:
But I can grab them if they down special.

True but remember if Lucario happens to be hit he will move.

infiniteV115 · Oct 9, 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZdolHTLciY
Ban Marth.

Conviction · Oct 9, 2011

BC25 said:
True but remember if Lucario happens to be hit he will move.

Yeah, he will move when I grab him.

Ussi · Oct 9, 2011

No love for Ike's slow counter :<

Exceladon City · Oct 9, 2011

BC25 said:
I see but mind you characters like Lucario and Marth can counter Meta Knight by using there down special.

Karnu · Oct 9, 2011

xIblisx said:
Yeah, he will move when I grab him.

Your a cocky one. Care to brawl me oneday and see what happens when Lucario flogs your main :troll:

Conviction · Oct 9, 2011

BC25 said:
Your a cocky one. Care to brawl me oneday and see what happens when Lucario flogs your main

Oh wifi?

You win.

What's a flog?

Exceladon City · Oct 9, 2011

BC25 said:
Your a cocky one. Care to brawl me oneday and see what happens when Lucario flogs your main

LOOOOOOOOOOOOL

lol

Conviction · Oct 9, 2011

Looked it up.

British or Australian slang meaning either "sell" or "steal"
An Australian slang term for a person who is an idiot or a "tool" Example: Evan Tirey is definitely a flog.

Okay let's put it into context.

BC25 said:
Your a cocky one. Care to brawl me oneday and see what happens when Lucario sells your main

BC25 said:
Your a cocky one. Care to brawl me oneday and see what happens when Lucario steals your main

BC25 said:
Your a cocky one. Care to brawl me oneday and see what happens when Lucario tools your main

BC25 said:
Your a cocky one. Care to brawl me oneday and see what happens when Lucario idiot your main

Hm, still not making any sense.

Budget Player Cadet_ · Oct 9, 2011

BC, no offense, but I wouldn't bet on you if you think Lucario's counter is a good move.

Karnu · Oct 9, 2011

Budget Player Cadet_ said:
BC, no offense, but I wouldn't bet on you if you think Lucario's counter is a good move.

Narr personaly i dont use it much. I tend to think combos are best for lucario.

@xIblisx: Thats odd. Well i guess thats the real meaning but some parents say to their kids that there gonna flog there a** and they mean by smacking.

Exceladon City · Oct 9, 2011

BC25 said:
Narr personaly i dont use it much. I tend to think combos are best for lucario.

@xIblisx: Thats odd. Well i guess thats the real meaning but some parents say to their kids that there gonna flog there a** and they mean by smacking.

Freeness confirmed.

Sinister Slush · Oct 9, 2011

He joined not even two months ago, Links to his clan in his signature and thinks Lucario/Marths counter beat MK.
What gave you the idea he Wasn't free?

Karnu · Oct 9, 2011

Errr im lost (Yes im a dumb person haha ^_^')

Conviction · Oct 9, 2011

LOL

afk.

Judo777 · Oct 9, 2011

Flog means to beat with a staff or whip I believe.

Thino · Oct 9, 2011

Doc King said:
MK was banned due to him overcentralizing the game. He breaks stuff such as character countering, a lot of stages, etc. MK was just way too good and earned like 60% of the tourney paper

but what exactly is wrong with a character dominating the game and winning 90% of the tournaments?

Espy Rose · Oct 9, 2011

Slang doesn't care about your carefully defined words, Judo. :applejack:

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