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Pssst..You're supposed to be unconscious for the moment. Read my last post.
I also think it's Twitch, but I want to give him a chance to defend himself first. This phase is the determining factor of the game, so I REALLY don't want to be wrong about this.
We know that there is one mafia between Orange/Twitchy. If we get this right, we clear two people. Myself and one of the not mafia between Orange and Twitchy. Orange pushed on Ran, and was the first one to do so. This seems townie in comparison to Twitch, who pushed Polish with a very weak stance of "Wifom and Confusion", while pushing Orange and Polish at the same time. Yet drops it. Orange kept bringing up Ran, and did more work than Twitch. He was fairly active D1 too. As opposed to Twitch, who was always in catch up mode.
Here, Twitch left his vote on Orange, while also saying the push was really really bad. Orange seemed to take forever to actually sit and talk 1v1, yet this may have been because he was lost and really busy. I actually find his mislynch explanation fair, as I looked back and noticed he repeated the same sentiment but with NL. Twitch on D2, turned more malicious after claiming cop. He became stubborn, and didn't listen. His actions did not line up with that of a town trying to figure things out. Instead, he left up responsibility to myself, while calling my push really really bad. Saying 'if orange flips town, I'll body you' while having me as townie, or 'townie intent who he disagrees with strongly'.
Ok. Let's say Orange is scum. This would make Twitch's role claim legit, because 1/2 of Orange/Twitch is cleared. I would be cleared from my perspective. For orange to be mafia here, Orange would have to be knowledgable of who to target as mafia. An inactive is easy to target, so it's what a newbie would go for. Yet by itself, it doesn't mean anything. For Orange to be scum, his mate would have to had joined the wagon with him. I would guess it would be Barman. Oranges's reaction to Polish did not seem like they were the same alignment. Unsure about Aqua.
For Orange to be scum here, he would have to just be sheeping Polish while not listening to my thoughts. Yet that still must be looked into deeper, and I'm not confident on that.
Who do you think is scum?
Probably important to re-read since he talks about Twitchy and Massclaiming. I agree on massclaiming. Consider this when reading Polish.
I gave you the authority for an orange lynch because while your arguments assume too much/are bad, they're not implausible. Further, I wanted to pursue this avenue with you to get thread discussion moving, and, in theory, confirm or deconfirm my suspicions about you. I know it looks really scummy, and I'd never have done it without first role claiming.
Not lurking. Coasting. Big important difference. Lurking is just kinda chilling without doing anything. Coasting is being active, making sure you're everyone's town read, and then just sitting back and watching what happens.
Why 50 posts? Isn't that rather arbitrary?
So what happened to this? Please explain why this analysis is no longer valid.
Bull. ****. Remember my push on mist? That thing? That happened?
Again, why the sudden shift?
This is all true, but look at his content. All of his arguments, as I've demonstrated in previous posts, simply assume far too much.
Hmmmm. Yeah, I misinterpreted role PM- and I later amended it, when Soup informed me of such. It's worth noting that you yourself exhibit a drastic position change here: what indicates, to you, that I'm ingenue?
I think you mixed up some names here? Clarify please?
Ran as in J/our day 1 policy lynch? Show me where orange keeps bring up/pushing Ran, particularly before Polish?
I agree with this.
The underlined seems like a lie. At least, it's an observation that is too quick. He could at least say a little bit more why I may be wrong on that. He comes out of no where to try to spin morose and I as scummy. Morose is cleared and I'm semi-cleared, so this should be a red flag. Also consider he has been hard lurking it up, and Aqua, I did read the ongoing game. There, he has been making townie observations, large posts, that seem intelligent. Here, he has been doing jack ****, because he can't fake genuine content. He outed himself for no reason at all and then 'accidently' outed his identity, to use as an excuse to lurk past prod. He did post to say "Sorry I promise I'll post more." THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
Secondly, He never answers my question about how scum would not know to differentiate between vt's and pr's. Did he let on more than he should? Or is he bull-****ting? I think the latter. He couldn't answer, and never answered when I told him to answer it. He answered everything else. He dodged the question, which makes morose's push, AGAIN, valid. Everyone of you disagreed with it though. For shame! Let this be a lesson.
Because you're reading too much into human tendencies. You think I'm scum. That's fine for now. For my purposes, however, I know I'm town. That leads me to believe that you're making too much out of it /your methodology is flawed. I do agree you have to get into one's head, but you assume every action is thought out with some sort of malicious intend behind it. My posts are either knee-jerk reaction, or simply what I think after some analysis. Not every turn of phrase, nor every change or read, has some sort of deep hidden meaning.T Twitchybanana :
Also, I am usually quite detailed with my cases and observations. I also have studied psychology and am a social work major, so that should clue you into why I look into 'human tendencies'. I don't understand why you think one shouldn't look for human tendencies when reading people. I say it's a must. I look pretty deeply, indeed. I think you are focusing too 'on the surface'. You have to know what a person is thinking and get inside their head to really understand their intentions and motivations, wouldn't you say?
OrangeXhtml :
I actually want you respond to this again. Your first answer wasn't suitable, actually.
I think you confused some names in this paragraph? Please clarify.
What specifically do you want to discuss here? I see how the myself+polish team makes sense, but again, it assumes malicious intent. I feel like everything else has been talked about. Can you ask specific questions?
I don't think you answered this though. I'll get to you in a minute.
Good analysis.
No longer good analysis. Why would they both have to be on the wagon? Also, lets talk about orange/maven. Is it because of Maven's vacuum scumminess, or do you see a connection?
Blue, no I do not. Did I assume Morose was scum, from everyone's crap arguments? Not at all, I correctly read Morose as being intelligent, having a good argument against Barman, and him lacking reads on others. Frankly, he could have done more! His death is due to not being around as much, and he was around on Saturday. So this is a lie. I simply observe and call out what sticks out to me. One thing that I noticed was that I stated Orange misrepped Prota early game and you agreed that it was grimy. Second time around, you stated you disliked that argument. That's a contradiction from you. Can you explain that?
I need to think about that a bit.
Quotes pls?
When making a case against others, specifically on orange, you assume some sort of malicious intent behind any given action. I don't want to go in circles back to this, please. I don't feel like reposting al my stuff.
Please clarify who your pronouns refer to here? Other than that, I'll buy this. I don't agree with it, but I'll buy it. I'm willing to work from the assumption that you're town, at least temporarily, so we can put our heads together. (if it isn't clear, you just at least sort of answered my biggest issue with you. I wish you would have posted that a day ago...)
I tried to address it indirectly, but that obviously didn't get through.