Landing Penalty (RCO Lag) & Dolphin Slash Cancel (Video)

[Nike.]

Because I'm still seeing RCO Lag happening in competitive play in 2011 and us not diving further into the Dolphin Slash Cancel, I thought we could use a refresher on this topic.

Marth - Landing Penalty (RCO Lag) & Dolphin Slash Cancel

If there's anything in the video that's obviously and painfully wrong, I'll re-edit and upload.

Original thread: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=252451

New Dolphin Slash Follow-Ups by Haze: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt-tovvpTqI&feature=feedu

Dolphin Slash Cancel Follow-ups: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0BbOl_XQoc

Discuss

 

[Shaya]

Good video.

I know you were worried about it, but you ended up releasing it before I replied, lol

Back air landing lag is 21 frames, down air is 32.

 

[Albert.]

Really nice thread and video. I remember when Junk tried to talk about this, made a thread lol

 

[Reizilla]

Neat video. I plan on working on this if I ever plan on practicing again.

 

[Mr-R]

I've tried practicing this before, the timing is just too strict to pull it off consistently

 

[Raziek]

Great video.

But yeah, consistency. It looks like the distance is very strict, and I'm willing to bet this doesn't work on several stages. (Delfino comes to mind immediately.)

 

[Mr-R]

im going to practice this 1/2 hours when i get home

 

[Kuro~]

The possibilities are so rewarding though. The DSC to bair off the ledge would be great for edgeguarding. And fair . it really looks quite useful.

 

[Mr-R]

I've been trying this for 20 minutes straight now, just got it 3 times which ironicly enough all happened within 1 minute

 

[Nike.]

Great video.

But yeah, consistency. It looks like the distance is very strict, and I'm willing to bet this doesn't work on several stages. (Delfino comes to mind immediately.)

In the description of the the Dolphin Slash Cancel Vid, the guy listed the stages he did it on and one of them was delfino.

Thanks for the props guys.

 

[Haze~]

Is there a vid on smashville or delfino for this?

 

[Haze~]

THIS IS SO ****ING HARD AGHHHHHHHH O_O ok im taking a break from this now.

 

[Blacknight99923]

I've been trying this for 20 minutes straight now, just got it 3 times which ironicly enough all happened within 1 minute

I have similar issues relating to tech skill, I fail forever get it right in this spurt fail more then get it semi consistently

that being said I think knowing why this technique works, the conditions involved ect could be important in trying to figure out how to use it(as in learn the timing). I'll talk to the smash lab directly about it.

 

[Espy Rose]

Don't forget that if you don't double jump after a sweet spot upB on the ledge, that your horizontal acceleration in the air is terrible.

 

[Reizilla]

What? Explain.

Also, does the lag penalty only occur if you sweet spot the ledge?

 

[C.M.X]

Really good, dunno whether its worth learning though as it rock hard and only works on certain stages.

 

[Nike.]

I thought about putting that in the vid, but I left it out. What Espy is saying:

-Grab ledge with upb.
-Let go of ledge and let marth fall to the left or right.
-Because of upb, he doesnt move nearly as far (horizontally).

Try it before sing upb and after using it. You'll notice a huge difference in how far marth moves when he's falling.

It might explain why sometimes whenever you get hit off stage and you try to float back to the stage... and you kinda don't move towards it at all and you just fall. And then your like "WTF why iz that hapningggg?!?" Idk if that's the cause of it though, somebody else would have to confirm.

Also, does the lag penalty only occur if you sweet spot the ledge?

No. If you upb without sweet spotting the ledge (you fall down and then grab the ledge or if someone hits you before you land) then you still have RCO lag.

 

[En.Ee.Oh]

you should really correct the actual lag negation of ff-ing an aerial after up-b because you will throw people off

 

[Nike.]

Huh?

All the frame data on the video came from the RCO thread and Shaya. I don't think they would be incorrect :o

 

[xxmoosexx]

Yo Nike. Could you give some quick instruction on how to do the DS cancel and a quick synopsis on what causes the RCO lag in the thread for those who can't watch the video?

I know what causes the RCO lag, but I don't know how to do that DS cancel stuff, because I cant watch the vid(unless its the ledge cancel that makes you grab the ledge faster)...and there may be poor wayfaring souls out there that are in my condition.

 

[Blacknight99923]

I wonder if DSC would work even if someone is edgehogging you.

I don't think it would though

 

[Reizilla]

I don't see why not. From what I understand, it misses the sweet spot and you slide off the stage. That should happen regardless of whether someone's on the edge or not.

If anything it could lead to epic DSC double jump spike off the ledge.

 

[Blacknight99923]

I think it works by marths feet touching the ground and him grabbing the edge at the same time or something, which is why it cancels RCO lag. I'll figure it out later

 

[Haze~]

I always seem to glide away fair when i really want to land it on stage, how do i do this?

 

[Haze~]

oh oh think ive got it but please correct me if im wrong, i simply need to delay the fair just a little, gona try it out right now!

 

[En.Ee.Oh]

Huh?

All the frame data on the video came from the RCO thread and Shaya. I don't think they would be incorrect :o

it is tho rofl

 

[xxmoosexx]

How exactly do you do the DSC?

 

[Haze~]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt-tovvpTqI&feature=feedu


Some new followups for DSC on Smashville.

 

[Nike.]

That was extremely sexy. Def going on the OP.

Neo, if the info on the vid isn't right then what is? I still think Shaya's/RCO thread info is right unless you proved it wrong.

 

[En.Ee.Oh]

-9 for all ff aerials and -12 or -13 for ff aerial after DS

 

[Haze~]

That was extremely sexy. Def going on the OP.

Neo, if the info on the vid isn't right then what is? I still think Shaya's/RCO thread info is right unless you proved it wrong.

What's op?

 

[Reizilla]

Original post.

 

[Haze~]

alright cool

 

[VibeSlyph]

I have a ****load of free time to master this. See you guys in the 2012 metagame.

 

[Slimlenny]

I'm relatively new to brawl and definitely a Marth newbie. I kept having RCO lag during a few matches a week ago and I had no idea why. Thanks for the post ^^ DSC is ridiculously sexy and useful, but pulling it off is equally hard :/

 

[Shaya]

-9 for all ff aerials and -12 or -13 for ff aerial after DS

Ummm........................................

 

[xxmoosexx]

*still doesnt understand how to perform Dolphin Slash Cancel*

Is it just me or is there no explanation on how to actually do the Cancel?

 

[VibeSlyph]

*still doesnt understand how to perform Dolphin Slash Cancel*

Is it just me or is there no explanation on how to actually do the Cancel?

Keep UpBing on the ledge until you get it right. There's your tutorial.

 

[LooftWaffles]

*still doesnt understand how to perform Dolphin Slash Cancel*

Is it just me or is there no explanation on how to actually do the Cancel?

Watch the video. Every time he does it successfully he DS' from the same spot.



Theres your hint

 

[xxmoosexx]

So it all has to do with the location you hit with Dolphin Slash?