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Maybe because he takes his time as opposed to putting something up ASAP for the sake of easy guaranteed views due to relevance. Why do you think they dump out character "analysis" videos as well with Nintendo's trailers where nothing is really concrete or even in a setting where competitive players can get a legitimate grasp of how a new character will play? It's stupid.Izaw is out here making Zero and M2K look like slouches.
Most impressive Cloud demo I've ever seen.
That's one of the few advantages that Cloud has of the two, though...Ok, I'm now really jealous. Cloud can reverse spike with his Up-B and still grab the ledge and Ike can't.
I don't know about ZeRo, but I think M2K was giving his first impressions mixed with a rough idea of Cloud's frames. M2k's video was straight of his stream and put on to the channel. He isn't doing anything to rush for attention. I think he is just doing what he normaly does. Hell, he even called out ZeRo's video on Cloud for being wrong. Good on Izaw for taking more time, but it doesn't take away from what M2K did. Also Izaw did some rushing too for Cloud, I mean damn he promised a Art of Samus lol (I know coming soon).Maybe because he takes his time as opposed to putting something up ASAP for the sake of easy guaranteed views due to relevance. Why do you think they dump out character "analysis" videos as well with Nintendo's trailers where nothing is really concrete or even in a setting where competitive players can get a legitimate grasp of how a new character will play? It's stupid.
I still remember seeing a list of Cloud's frame data off of his trailer... which was in 30fps. People couldn't be any more desperate for attention or for making themselves feel good by doing something ASAP before anyone else.
Check out the "Mains Advice Thread". Many people, including myself, have formed a community of helpers towards finding new mains, secondaries, and etc. for players who are unsure.Nice, man! Keep up the good work. Cloud is definitely a character that has a lot of potential to be threatening, since he has less of a polarized moveset compared to Little Mac. In my case, Cloud might be a potential character to be my secondary as well as(ugh...I`m struggling between choosing the two to go with my mains).
Izaw has a lot of good information and I'm amazed at how quick he mastered some things, I just feel like Cloud has not been out long enough to make a competitive guide. I thought he was great at first, his early KO options are too easy to avoid and he's just too easy to gimp.I don't know about ZeRo, but I think M2K was giving his first impressions mixed with a rough idea of Cloud's frames. M2k's video was straight of his stream and put on to the channel. He isn't doing anything to rush for attention. I think he is just doing what he normaly does. Hell, he even called out ZeRo's video on Cloud for being wrong. Good on Izaw for taking more time, but it doesn't take away from what M2K did. Also Izaw did some rushing too for Cloud, I mean damn he promised a Art of Samus lol (I know coming soon).
I totally agree, but that just means you have to play a sharp game with Cloud. If your game is on point, I believe this character can be really scary to deal with.Neutral Air, Down tilt, Up air, and Limit break side b are all amazing moves but it's just way too easy to gimp Cloud.
A lot of times even if you manage to dodge an attack you end up missing your chance to recover with your standard up b I still can't believe how bad it is. Pretty much every jab and ftilt kills Cloud if he has no jumps near the edge lol.
It`s okay. Thanks for your help. I went to that thread so many times, because I constantly keep changing characters (except for Mario which I played him since day 1 of Smash 3DS). I'm gonna wait until we have more information on Cloud to see if he can actually help Mario or Sonic. I know that Shulk can help in some Mario MUs.Check out the "Mains Advice Thread". Many people, including myself, have formed a community of helpers towards finding new mains, secondaries, and etc. for players who are unsure.
Boi then you forgot about Roy dittos cuz he kills just as fast. Again, I think Izaw and M2K have legit info to use for the time being. I just don't want the man forgotten I mean he went through the attacks one at a time. I will give M2K a cookie. Also off topic a bit, why do I feel like people aren't even labbing much anymore I think others could have easily found these, meh prob just me and me labbing all the time. >.>Izaw has a lot of good information and I'm amazed at how quick he mastered some things, I just feel like Cloud has not been out long enough to make a competitive guide. I thought he was great at first, his early KO options are too easy to avoid and he's just too easy to gimp.
Even with careful positioning his up b has no invincibility and can be blocked too easily by long lasting attacks (such as his own down air lol). Cloud dittos are some of the fastest matches I've played XD
Part of it is how strong DI is in smash 4 to be honest. I stopped using training mode for the most part as well, too many times I've been sure something is a true combo only to have it easily DIed everytime XD SDI teching is also a big factor. I've seen a lot of things teched that you would never think could be teched lolBoi then you forgot about Roy dittos cuz he kills just as fast. Again, I think Izaw and M2K have legit info to use for the time being. I just don't want the man forgotten I mean he went through the attacks one at a time. I will give M2K a cookie. Also off topic a bit, why do I feel like people aren't even labbing much anymore I think others could have easily found these, meh prob just me and me labbing all the time. >.>
Labbing doesn't always mean going to trainning mode. You can also grab a friend and test stuff out with DI, again this stuff could have been found pretty easy. For the record, FG isn't the lab to me. I see it as trash, but I'm still going to play on it lol.Part of it is how strong DI is in smash 4 to be honest. I stopped using training mode for the most part as well, too many times I've been sure something is a true combo only to have it easily DIed everytime XD SDI teching is also a big factor. I've seen a lot of things teched that you would never think could be teched lol
M2Ks was pretty decent for a day one guide but I'm not sure why they called it an in-depth competitive guide. Cloud will likely be tweaked a bit either way so too early to make in-depth competitive guides.. It's good to get the general stats and look at the new characters movesets but I saw a LOT of people rushing to try to confirm a bunch of stuff with Cloud.
Outside of up air and dtilt setups most of his stuff is pretty easy to escape =/
In all fairness Izaw makes most people look like slouches when it comes to character guides in all honesty. His patience, presentation, and commentery is fantastic. Izaw was one of if not the first to do a very in depth Perfect Pivot guide. I personally feel his guides are unmatched.Izaw is out here making Zero and M2K look like slouches.
Most impressive Cloud demo I've ever seen.
LOL I actually thought those were pretty funny and ridiculous.I still remember seeing a list of Cloud's frame data off of his trailer... which was in 30fps.