Makkun
Smash Journeyman
Original thread: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=172824
Credit to Chaotic for discovering this! Also credit for 3xSwords for "rediscovering" this and bringing it to my attention in the Marth forums.
Updates:
[JUNE 1] - Thread started! - Fixed Peach's list and #7 in the Summary.
[JUNE 2] - Added note about Peach's Pseudo-ISJR - Added Zairs, Specials, First video, 100% system, and fast falls.
[JUNE 3] - Snake/Lucario/Yoshi/Peach/Misc videos added - List updated - Special Thanks added - CREDIT!
[JUNE 4] - Snake/Bowser videos added - List updated - Multi-attack system added
[JUNE 5] - Lucario/G&W/Pit videos added - List updated - Video request section added
[JUNE 6] - Pit video added - List updated - Requests added
[JUNE 7] - Diddy video added - List updated
[JUNE 11] - List updated - Requests added
[JUNE 12] - Another Summary added - Requests added
[JUNE 14] - Ness video added - List updated
[JUNE 30] - Ganondorf video added
[JULY 10] - Jigglypuff video added
[SEPT 7] - Two Link videos added
(The purpose of this thread is to explain which character's aerials are ISJR'able, also to discuss the technique, uses of the technique, and to help make the list 100% accurate, as the amount of time this requires is crazy)
Similar to Bowser's infinite jump using his side-B, it has been discovered that every character can cancel the very end of any of his or her aerials into a buffered jump, essentially creating a lagless aerial that can be linked into a number of things.
Second Jump Recover (SJR) - Timing an aerial so that the ending lag may be canceled into a buffered jump without any landing/jumping lag.
Infinite Jump Recover (ISJR) - SJR'ing an aerial as many times as you want without landing/jumping lag. Only certain aerials are able to be ISJR'd.
Summary:
1) Jump (full or short)
2) Second jump (at any time)
3) Perform an aerial
4) Time the aerial so that you land on the ground as the move finishes**
5) Buffer a jump just before you land on the ground.
6) You should second-jump into the air with zero landing lag or jump time, as you are actually recovering your second-jump without touching the ground..
** = The exact frame window is unknown at this point. It is believed to either be as the entire move animation ends or as the ending autocancel frames begin. It could possibly differ between moves. Clarification on this would be appreciated. ):
The List:
Every aerial can be SJR'd. This list shows which aerials can be infinitely SJR'd. (ISJR)
*Fast falling aerials may greatly increase the frame window for inputting the jump command, thus making the timing easier. I will put "-fast fallable" next to aerials that can be fast falled and still be ISJRable.
*Aerials that I am 100% positive of will be underlined. Ex: Yes or No
*"Multi-air!" means you can, or it is advised that this aerial is performed 2 or more times in the course of one ISJR'd jump.
I ask that if anybody finds a flaw in the list, that they PM me and correct me. I will try to keep this thread as updated as I can.
I also ask that people try and find more practical uses for this technique, as it allows us to have lagless aerials, which is good for combo'ing/juggling.
Apparently landing lag isn't that big of a deal either way. @__@ I guess this technique just gives a lot of mobility.
@__o This technique gives mobility and speed! Will hopefully be extremely useful for juggling and combos!
Videos:
Snake - ISJR'd Dair - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yB_QiRfMoY (Makkun)
Snake - ISJR'd Bair - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY6XdYpZkUM (Vegeta214)
Snake - ISJR'd Bair with platforms! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paIO9BrxKsc (Yagi)
Lucario - All Aerials! - http://youtube.com/watch?v=Cb8nhIEvCqU (Jeepy Sol)
Lucario - Rapid Dair ISJR - http://youtube.com/watch?v=zOfW7dFoDOk (Jeepy Sol)
Yoshi - All Aerials! - http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=GUX5cf5VQNY (bigman40)
Peach - Float-ISJR'd Dair - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nhETm7LHAg (Makkun)
Kirby - ISJR'd Side-B - http://youtube.com/watch?v=5qZ6dEe9kX8 (alarmpalm [Youtube])
Bowser - All aerials with Side-B - http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=80U_DTFJpbY (worldjem7)
Mr. G&W - Aerials with platforms - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R67nif4diO0 (DavieBoy)
Pit - ISJR'd Uair - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pm4R0J_ilY (UndrDog)
Pit - ISJR'd Bair - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4RE85TDy5Y (UndrDog)
Pit - All Aerials (Except Dair) - http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=l4Q6wnXLlYQ (worldjem7)
Diddy - All Aerials! - http://youtube.com/watch?v=OROEsKrIwHk (Jeepy Sol)
Ness - Fair/Bair/Side-B - http://youtube.com/watch?v=CKLYcE1-k9I (Earthbound360)
Jigglypuff - All Aerials! - http://youtube.com/watch?v=HIOX9Nnq9No (Jeepy Sol)
Ganondorf - All Aerials? ISJR'd Uair - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmbLWN9NM-8&NR=1 (innocentroads) *Youtube
Link - All Possible Aerials + Some Specials - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpNFvgmwpE0 (Ryuto)
Link - Mostly Nair - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gJbNDs_d360 (WoodyWiggins)
Miscellaneous - Ledgehopped SJR - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNqr97h8AAw (ihatemybrother)
Video Requests:
This section is for listing which videos are currently being created for those who have previously requested them. Please do not post requests for those characters which have already been requested. @__@
Thanks to everyone who has supported the thread as well as the cause! Special thanks to Ekaru and 3xSwords for helping me get started, as well as everyone else who has contributed to the thread. THANK YOU! <3
Credit to Chaotic for discovering this! Also credit for 3xSwords for "rediscovering" this and bringing it to my attention in the Marth forums.
Updates:
[JUNE 1] - Thread started! - Fixed Peach's list and #7 in the Summary.
[JUNE 2] - Added note about Peach's Pseudo-ISJR - Added Zairs, Specials, First video, 100% system, and fast falls.
[JUNE 3] - Snake/Lucario/Yoshi/Peach/Misc videos added - List updated - Special Thanks added - CREDIT!
[JUNE 4] - Snake/Bowser videos added - List updated - Multi-attack system added
[JUNE 5] - Lucario/G&W/Pit videos added - List updated - Video request section added
[JUNE 6] - Pit video added - List updated - Requests added
[JUNE 7] - Diddy video added - List updated
[JUNE 11] - List updated - Requests added
[JUNE 12] - Another Summary added - Requests added
[JUNE 14] - Ness video added - List updated
[JUNE 30] - Ganondorf video added
[JULY 10] - Jigglypuff video added
[SEPT 7] - Two Link videos added
(The purpose of this thread is to explain which character's aerials are ISJR'able, also to discuss the technique, uses of the technique, and to help make the list 100% accurate, as the amount of time this requires is crazy)
Similar to Bowser's infinite jump using his side-B, it has been discovered that every character can cancel the very end of any of his or her aerials into a buffered jump, essentially creating a lagless aerial that can be linked into a number of things.
Second Jump Recover (SJR) - Timing an aerial so that the ending lag may be canceled into a buffered jump without any landing/jumping lag.
Infinite Jump Recover (ISJR) - SJR'ing an aerial as many times as you want without landing/jumping lag. Only certain aerials are able to be ISJR'd.
Summary:
Gorron333 said:ISJR is a technique in brawl that was only just discovered. Basically, if you time it right, even after you've double jumped, you can jump AGAIN by using an air move and have it end JUST before you land.
-Gorron333
Simple steps:Ekaru said:1. SJR is done by timing an aerial so it ends a certain amount of time before it hits the ground, then buffering a jump at the end of the aerial.
2. When done correctly, the # of air jumps left counter is reset, and one is taken away for the SJR.
3. ISJR is performed by doing a SJR out of the double jump of the pervious SJR, and can be done continiously.
4. SJR can be done with any move, but ISJR can only be done with certain moves.
5. An example of an ISJR is Charizard's uair, and is probably one of the easiest to learn. Charizard can also do it with his fair and bair, not sure about nair.
6. Some characters have a long enough double jump that they can do ANY aerial for a ISJR. Yoshi is an example of this.
7.Apparently can't be done with specials or air dodges.
Can be done with air dodges and specials that have landing clouds/dust when you touch the ground with them.
*This can also be done with Zairs.
8. This move requires practice to do consistently.
9. If you whine about someone ISJRing in a match against you because they beat you, I'll blow your house up. With you in it.
10. Out of a SJR/ISJR, you can choose to air dodge, land, do a special, or use another air jump if you have one. You do NOT have to continue the ISJR.
11. In order for a move to be ISJRable, its duration must be at least one frame less than the amount of time the character is in the air after a SJR.
*12. Fast falling an aerial greatly increases your control of when you would hit the ground with the end of your aerial. This is very important. (-Makkun)
- Credit for much of this goes to Makkun.
1) Jump (full or short)
2) Second jump (at any time)
3) Perform an aerial
4) Time the aerial so that you land on the ground as the move finishes**
5) Buffer a jump just before you land on the ground.
6) You should second-jump into the air with zero landing lag or jump time, as you are actually recovering your second-jump without touching the ground..
** = The exact frame window is unknown at this point. It is believed to either be as the entire move animation ends or as the ending autocancel frames begin. It could possibly differ between moves. Clarification on this would be appreciated. ):
The List:
Every aerial can be SJR'd. This list shows which aerials can be infinitely SJR'd. (ISJR)
*Fast falling aerials may greatly increase the frame window for inputting the jump command, thus making the timing easier. I will put "-fast fallable" next to aerials that can be fast falled and still be ISJRable.
Specials:Makkun said:Mario:
Nair - Yes - Fast fallable!
Fair - No
Dair - Yes
Bair - Yes - Fast fallable!
Uair - Yes - Fast fallable!
Luigi:
Nair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Fair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Dair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Bair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Uair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Peach:
Uair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Nair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Bair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Dair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Fair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Note that Peach's aerials may need to be pseudo-ISJR'd, meaning the use of her float is needed in order to time the landing. However, this also means Peach may be able to float forever with little aerial breaks in between.
Bowser:
Nair - Yes
Fair - Yes
Dair - No
Bair - Yes
Uair - Yes
D.K.:
Nair - Yes
Fair - No
Dair - Yes
Bair - Yes
Uair - Yes
Diddy:
Nair - Yes - Fast fallable!
Fair - Yes - Fast fallable!
Dair - Yes
Bair - Yes - Fast fallable!
Uair - Yes - Fast fallable!
Yoshi:
Nair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!?
Fair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!?
Dair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!?
Bair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!?
Uair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!?
Wario:
Nair - Maybe
Fair - Yes
Dair - Yes
Bair - Yes
Uair - Yes
Link:
Nair - Yes
Fair - No
Dair - No
Bair - Yes
Uair - No
Zelda:
Nair - No
Fair - Yes - Fast fallable!?
Dair - Maybe
Bair - Yes - Fast fallable!?
Uair - No
Sheik:
Nair - Yes
Fair - Yes
Dair - No
Bair - Yes
Uair - Yes
Ganondorf:
Nair - No
Fair - No
Dair - Yes
Bair - Yes
Uair - Yes
Toon Link:
Nair - Yes - Fast fallable!
Fair - Yes - Fast fallable!
Dair - No
Bair - Yes - Fast fallable!
Uair - Yes - Fast fallable!
Samus:
Nair - Yes
Fair - Yes
Dair - Yes
Bair - Yes
Uair - Yes
Zero Suit Samus:
Nair - Yes
Fair - Yes
Dair - No
Bair - Yes
Uair - Yes
Pit:
Nair - Yes - Multi-air!
Fair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Dair - Yes - Multi-air!
Bair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Uair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
I.C.:
Nair - Yes
Fair - Yes
Dair - No
Bair - Yes
Uair - Yes
R.O.B.:
Nair - Most likely
Fair - Yes - Fast fallable!
Dair - Yes
Bair - Yes
Uair - Yes
Kirby:
Nair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Fair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Dair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Bair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Uair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Metaknight:
Nair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Fair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Dair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Bair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Uair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Dedede:
Nair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Fair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Dair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Bair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Uair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Olimar:
Nair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Fair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Dair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Bair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Uair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Fox:
Nair - Yes
Fair - Yes
Dair - Yes
Bair - Most likely
Uair - Yes
Falco:
Nair - Yes
Fair - Yes
Dair - Yes
Bair - Yes - Fast fallable!
Uair - Yes - Fast fallable!
Wolf:
Nair - Yes
Fair - Yes
Dair - Yes
Bair - Yes - Fast fallable!
Uair - Yes
Captain Falcon:
Nair - Most likely
Fair - Yes
Dair - Most likely
Bair - Yes
Uair - Yes
Pikachu:
Nair - Yes
Fair - Yes
Dair - Yes
Bair - Yes
Uair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Squirtle:
Nair - Yes
Fair - Yes
Dair - Yes
Bair - Yes
Uair - Yes
Ivysaur:
Nair - Yes
Fair - Yes
Dair - Most likely
Bair - Yes
Uair - Most likely not
Charizard:
Nair - Yes
Fair - Yes
Dair - Yes
Bair - Yes - Fast fallable!
Uair - Yes
Lucario:
Nair - Maybe
Fair - Yes - Fast fallable!
Dair - Yes - Fast fallable!
Bair - Yes
Uair - Yes - Fast fallable!
Jigglypuff:
Nair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Fair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Dair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Bair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Uair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Marth:
Nair - Yes
Fair - Yes - Multi-air! - Fast fallable!
Dair - No
Bair - Yes
Uair - Yes
Ike:
Nair - No
Fair - No
Dair - No
Bair - No
Uair - No
Ness:
Nair - Yes - Fast fallable! - Multi-air! (?)
Fair - Yes - Fast fallable! - Multi-air! (?)
Dair - Yes - Fast fallable!
Bair - Yes - Fast fallable! - Multi-air!
Uair - Yes - Fast fallable!
Lucas:
Nair - Yes - Fast fallable!
Fair - Yes - Fast fallable!
Dair - Yes - Fast fallable!
Bair - Yes - Fast fallable!
Uair - Yes - Fast fallable!
Mr. G&W:
Nair - Yes
Fair - No
Dair - No
Bair - Yes
Uair - Yes
Snake:
Nair - Most likely
Fair - Yes
Dair - Yes
Bair - Yes - Fast fallable!
Uair - Yes
Sonic:
Nair - Yes
Fair - Yes
Dair - No
Bair - Yes
Uair - Yes
Zairs that can be ISJR'd
Samus
Toon Link
Lucas
*Link's Zair is not ISJR'able, as it seems to take too long.
*Disclaimer - Not every single aerial has been tested, I simply did an instant double-jump, buffered the aerial, then attempted to buffer an air dodge. If an air dodge came out, I decided the aerial was most likely ISJR'able.Makkun said:So far we believe that specials that have landing clouds/dust are ISJR'able. We will continue testing until we pretty much figure out which specials can be SJR'd and ISJR'd.
SJR'able Specials
Lucas:
Side-B
Ness:
Side-B
Pikachu:
Neutral-B
Yoshi:
Neutral-B
Falco:
Neutral-B - I doubt this will work, but I'll leave it listed for a short time.
Diddy:
Side-B
Bowser:
Side-B*
ISJR'able Specials
Lucas:
Side-B
Pikachu:
Neutral-B - Most likely not. I'll keep it here for a little while though just to be sure.
Yoshi:
Neutral-B
Falco:
Neutral-B - I doubt this will work, but I'll leave it listed for a short time.
Bowser:
Side-B*
* = Bowser's Side-B produces a similar effect to ISJR, as it does recover your second-jump. However, instead of timing the special so that it ends as he lands, he can actually jump at any time to cancel his klaw's animation.
(It would be greatly appreciated if people could test these and send me the results)
*Aerials that I am 100% positive of will be underlined. Ex: Yes or No
*"Multi-air!" means you can, or it is advised that this aerial is performed 2 or more times in the course of one ISJR'd jump.
I ask that if anybody finds a flaw in the list, that they PM me and correct me. I will try to keep this thread as updated as I can.
@__o This technique gives mobility and speed! Will hopefully be extremely useful for juggling and combos!
Videos:
Snake - ISJR'd Dair - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yB_QiRfMoY (Makkun)
Snake - ISJR'd Bair - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY6XdYpZkUM (Vegeta214)
Snake - ISJR'd Bair with platforms! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paIO9BrxKsc (Yagi)
Lucario - All Aerials! - http://youtube.com/watch?v=Cb8nhIEvCqU (Jeepy Sol)
Lucario - Rapid Dair ISJR - http://youtube.com/watch?v=zOfW7dFoDOk (Jeepy Sol)
Yoshi - All Aerials! - http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=GUX5cf5VQNY (bigman40)
Peach - Float-ISJR'd Dair - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nhETm7LHAg (Makkun)
Kirby - ISJR'd Side-B - http://youtube.com/watch?v=5qZ6dEe9kX8 (alarmpalm [Youtube])
Bowser - All aerials with Side-B - http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=80U_DTFJpbY (worldjem7)
Mr. G&W - Aerials with platforms - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R67nif4diO0 (DavieBoy)
Pit - ISJR'd Uair - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pm4R0J_ilY (UndrDog)
Pit - ISJR'd Bair - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4RE85TDy5Y (UndrDog)
Pit - All Aerials (Except Dair) - http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=l4Q6wnXLlYQ (worldjem7)
Diddy - All Aerials! - http://youtube.com/watch?v=OROEsKrIwHk (Jeepy Sol)
Ness - Fair/Bair/Side-B - http://youtube.com/watch?v=CKLYcE1-k9I (Earthbound360)
Jigglypuff - All Aerials! - http://youtube.com/watch?v=HIOX9Nnq9No (Jeepy Sol)
Ganondorf - All Aerials? ISJR'd Uair - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmbLWN9NM-8&NR=1 (innocentroads) *Youtube
Link - All Possible Aerials + Some Specials - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpNFvgmwpE0 (Ryuto)
Link - Mostly Nair - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gJbNDs_d360 (WoodyWiggins)
Miscellaneous - Ledgehopped SJR - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNqr97h8AAw (ihatemybrother)
Video Requests:
This section is for listing which videos are currently being created for those who have previously requested them. Please do not post requests for those characters which have already been requested. @__@
------List of Requests said:Pit - All Aerials
Kirby - All Aerials
Ike - ANYTHING
Ness - All Aerials
Lucas - All Aerials
Link - All Aerials (Fast fall'd preferably)
Mario - All Aerials
Any - Juggling a human P2 using DI
Cpt. Falcon - All Aerials
Ganondorf - Anything possible
Sheik - All Aerials
Toon Link - ISJR'd Bair
Any - ISJR'd Special
Any - ISJR'd Zair
Falco - All Aerials
Wario - All Aerials
PLEASE feel free to record your own videos and post them in the thread. It would be GREATLY appreciated!
Thanks to everyone who has supported the thread as well as the cause! Special thanks to Ekaru and 3xSwords for helping me get started, as well as everyone else who has contributed to the thread. THANK YOU! <3
So there we go, credit to myself as well! Thanks Chaotic!Chaotic said:I would seriously consider crediting yourself, you've done alot of research and testing. This wouldn't have gone anywhere without the feedback you have been giving the community.