Ike Frame Data - 3.02

[GP&B]

Spoiler: Attack11 gif sample

Does this scale down at all or is this going to completely blast anyone with bad internet? Because I need to figure out how to scale down captured images when I import them into AS3.
Also, any comments on timing and view would be appreciated (faster/slower, zoom in/out more). I made this zoomed out intentionally to make the view cover Attack11, 12, and 13 in full.

If everything seems good otherwise though, I'll get to work. I'm already 2 for 60, ****ing awesome.

 

[Commander]

Gentlemen, I have just become aware of the worst possible fact in the entire Ike metagame. The OHKO hitbox of Quick Draw does not break shields and thus the OHKO can be avoided by an opponent in shield. This is the darkest day in Ike history.

 

[King of Hoboz]

....BUFF IKE! NOW! He can't possibly be any good then!

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

Noooooooooooooooooooo

 

[JacobWP]

The best thread going on Smashboards right now. Thanks everyone for their hard work!
Also the legacy of smashing fools with Ike continues into SSB4... Can't wait.

 

[GP&B]

Sorry I've been away and haven't gotten back to this. I've been super busy, but I just finished up one of my summer classes so I'll be free to hack at this again.

 

[Omega Male]

Basically Ike's FSmash.

 

[metroid1117]

@ KuroganeHammer this should make collecting frame data easier .

http://projectmgame.com/en/news/dev-blogpost-4-debug-pt-1

 

[KuroganeHammer]

This is awesome but you know what's even better? I can use this for Brawl too.

Better than sex

 

[GP&B]

I had little progress to begin with and I felt that 3.5 updates would be coming soon so I'll just inform you I'm not going anywhere else with this. If you feel this will be a lot more accessible (and it really is, mad props Magus) and want to get Ike's frame data then go for it.

Otherwise, I wouldn't mind starting back up. I'd be doing this in dolphin because sexy upres

 

[KuroganeHammer]

who gives a **** about hitbox gifs now when you can get them easily enough with debug

lmao

 

[GP&B]

So you can view them whenever you...

Wait duh. **** this lol

 

[KuroganeHammer]

With the advent of debug mode, the only valid thing these threads provide are frame data in an organised and easy to read format and also hitbox values such as angle and BKB and KBG.

ugh release 3.5 already lal

 

[SpiderMad]

Which are all useful besides being to look at them all at once and over and over again in a quick fashion without the game on.

 

[masterpad]

Is this still functional for PM 3.5?
thanx for all the great job

 

[Strong Badam]

I believe you can piece together anything by just checking the 3.5 changelist. Off the top of my head, the only change to frame data was a +5 to endlag to Quick Draw Attack, 27 -> 32 total. Don't quote me on it but I think that's accurate.

 

[masterpad]

OK thank you for your details. it so everyone is just so kind here.

 

[D e l t a]

7 month thread bump. What is the advantage Ike's aerials have on shield and what is their shield stun? I'm not the best at understanding frame data, so I can't completely calculate these values myself.

Doesn't have to be exact numbers, but for the time being I was wondering if someone could help provide calculated estimates within a few frames.

 

[Commander]

Bair and jab1 are the only things safe on shield. Everything else is only safe when spaced.

 

[D e l t a]

Right. I just wanted the frame data so I know exactly how to react to Ike- if I can WD OoS, if I should roll, can I use a projectile to punish, etc.

 

[Cox Box]

Since PM is no longer receiving updates, I think it's time to explicitly update the OP to reflect 3.6 Ike. Who is in charge of this thread and how can I be of assistance in updating it?

 

[WhinoTheRhino]

Yeah I agree, and plus the only frame data that has changed since 3.0 is QD, I think.

 

[Your Face]

Hey the title says 3.02, but is it still useful for 3.6?

 

[Mediocre Dunce]

7 month thread bump. What is the advantage Ike's aerials have on shield and what is their shield stun? I'm not the best at understanding frame data, so I can't completely calculate these values myself.

Doesn't have to be exact numbers, but for the time being I was wondering if someone could help provide calculated estimates within a few frames.

This is really late but aerials are kinda finicky because numbers listed are usually assuming the best case scenario which means done as low to the ground as possible. And you can't always be in that position. Maybe for a DJC char. I just checked some notes I had and I got -

Nair 7 0/+2
Fair 17 -5/-4
Bair 7 +1/+3
Dair -3/-3
Uair 9 -4/-1

I'm pretty sure those are from as-low-to-ground-as-possible testing. Normal fall/fastfall numbers. So yeah generally Bair and then Nair is the best on shield/have the lowest ground recovery. You're Ike so just space well but if you're going to be up close and aerial on shield - Bair then Nair are the best and Fair is the worst.

Bair and jab1 are the only things safe on shield. Everything else is only safe when spaced.

That's not true. All of his aerials can be safe on shield up close. Jab 1 is also -10 just like most jabs. It's only safe if you space it out of OoS punish range. You can't even frametrap grabs with it because jab2 is too slow. And Dtilt is -4/-3. So obviously that is safe.

"Hey the title says 3.02, but is it still useful for 3.6?"
Most of it should be. Ike hasn't changed much since 3.02. Just mainly some nerfs to Quickdraw and a few other small random things.

 

[D e l t a]

Thanks for the update!

I play some of the slippery characters like Lucas, so knowing frame advantage is nice because I consider those "perfect" values as close to accurate since my character gets pushed back hella far from characters like Ike. Which means that it takes a few frames more to travel forward and hit the opponent due to shield push. Frame data is also nice to keep in the back of my mind when playing other characters.