Elysium
Smash Lord
Link had to be toned down for Smash...or it would've gotten a higher rating.
and we all know Snakes a little girl...
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and we all know Snakes a little girl...
Dantarion
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Epic thread.
Zelda was pretending to be a guy named Shiek.
That means that while other characters thought Shiek was male, it was in fact Zelda in disguise, and Shiek is still female.
The only argument that goes against this is the manga argument that the transformation is not a disguise but a magical transformation into a guy. I tend to base my opinion on the GAMES, especially for things relating to zelda.
Zelda was pretending to be a guy named Shiek.
That means that while other characters thought Shiek was male, it was in fact Zelda in disguise, and Shiek is still female.
The only argument that goes against this is the manga argument that the transformation is not a disguise but a magical transformation into a guy. I tend to base my opinion on the GAMES, especially for things relating to zelda.
It all goes back to Ocarina of Time lore.
Zelda disguised herself as a famous Sheikah, known as Sheik, who apparently died in the "war" before the beginning of the story. That is, the same "war" where Link's mother left him in Kokiri.
That Sheik was a male. Zelda, with the help of Impa, I assume, disguised herself as that man.
Sheik is a male. However, when Zelda transforms into that male, she is technically still a female. The Sheik in Ocarina, Melee, and Brawl is a female. The original Sheik, who Zelda is pretending to be, is a male.
Zelda disguised herself as a famous Sheikah, known as Sheik, who apparently died in the "war" before the beginning of the story. That is, the same "war" where Link's mother left him in Kokiri.
That Sheik was a male. Zelda, with the help of Impa, I assume, disguised herself as that man.
Sheik is a male. However, when Zelda transforms into that male, she is technically still a female. The Sheik in Ocarina, Melee, and Brawl is a female. The original Sheik, who Zelda is pretending to be, is a male.
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This is win.
Dantarion
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This would be true if Shiek was an actual character, but Shiek doesn't actual exist seperate from Zelda.
If Zelda pretends to be Link, you could say "Link is a male and Zelda is pretending to be him", but Zelda is pretending to be a male character named Shiek, and since Shiek is Zelda, Shiek is female.
That's nice and all, but you're missing one fact in this, Sheik doesn't exist, Zelda created him, therefore, dressing as him, Zelda's still a female.
It's amazing that people can get into a huge stream of insult flinging over this :D
My opinion: Technically female, supposed to look like a male, doesn't matter in the slightest. Is referred to as female by Sakurai (and, I would assume, in game), so we can also refer to her that way. This whole dispute seems to be based on which word to use, other than that everyone seems to agree..
The fact that it's gone so far as to argue about which genitalia these fictional characters have is ridiculous.
My opinion: Technically female, supposed to look like a male, doesn't matter in the slightest. Is referred to as female by Sakurai (and, I would assume, in game), so we can also refer to her that way. This whole dispute seems to be based on which word to use, other than that everyone seems to agree..
The fact that it's gone so far as to argue about which genitalia these fictional characters have is ridiculous.
So, if I created a male character, then a female dresses up as said character, suddenly my male is a female?
Because that's the same thing that happened with Sheik.
No one is arguing that Sheik has a wang (at least not when Zelda = Sheik), just that Zelda wants Sheik to be a guy.
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Fair enough!
Elysium
Smash Lord
I seriously think that people don't read others posts fully.
Zelda is female
Sheik (while technically still female) is playing the role of a male.
Man...
Zelda is female
Sheik (while technically still female) is playing the role of a male.
Man...
Better yet, the first Zelda commercial(The one for the Famicom, yes)
Has a female actor doing Link's part, the actor is a female, yet the character is a male, but when you'll call out to her(HER) out of the cast you'll be calling a female.
This is slightly different though, Link's character(So is Peter Pan's) were already made up as males for their respective stories, these were done afterwards.
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THREAD OVER
Nilok
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Ok, I think I can fix this, BEHOLD! BOOB!
As you can see Sheik as Zelda in a Ninja suit. Why the hair and EYE color change? Magic, how else dose she change from Ninja to Princess in an instant?
Remember this is a Sheik that was meant from Twilight Princess that was never implemented into the game so it is going to look different (aka having boobs).
As you can see Sheik as Zelda in a Ninja suit. Why the hair and EYE color change? Magic, how else dose she change from Ninja to Princess in an instant?
Remember this is a Sheik that was meant from Twilight Princess that was never implemented into the game so it is going to look different (aka having boobs).
Shadow, can you make "THREAD OVER" a little bigger and easier to read? Maybe you should make "her" bigger too. You know. Because people probably still won't understand.
Elysium
Smash Lord
No, it's just that people on smashboards love to argue things like this...
krabbymcnabby
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Well, men don't normally do this
It would leave them open to PWNage and it would hurt anyway
and i doubt zelda was dressing up as a girl from that young of an age and she wouldn't be able to hide this fact from so many people
It would leave them open to PWNage and it would hurt anyway
and i doubt zelda was dressing up as a girl from that young of an age and she wouldn't be able to hide this fact from so many people
Maricalistaro
Smash Journeyman
I see no flaws in your argument, and It's Full of win.Ok, I think I can fix this, BEHOLD! BOOB!
As you can see Sheik as Zelda in a Ninja suit. Why the hair and EYE color change? Magic, how else dose she change from Ninja to Princess in an instant?
Remember this is a Sheik that was meant from Twilight Princess that was never implemented into the game so it is going to look different (aka having boobs).
Elysium
Smash Lord
That move would hit anybody else..it's just that Link is so awesome this time he doesn't get hit by stuff like this.
Snake on the other hand....would suffer a concussion
Takeshi245
Smash Champion
It's because their ignorance or stupidity blinds them from knowing the truth. Simple as that.
*I support Sheik being female, but I just need to point out these facts*
Picture at Krabby's post, this actually supports Sheik of being male, why do you think the picture is showing her back and not front? It ripped apart while doing this, explains Link's expression doesn't it? =D
Also, a question for thought, how do you know that Zelda isn't actually Sheik, DRESSED AS ZELDA? Hmm...
/Tease over.*Again, I know that Sheik is female, this is just a tease at the idiots who don't realize.*
Picture at Krabby's post, this actually supports Sheik of being male, why do you think the picture is showing her back and not front? It ripped apart while doing this, explains Link's expression doesn't it? =D
Also, a question for thought, how do you know that Zelda isn't actually Sheik, DRESSED AS ZELDA? Hmm...
/Tease over.*Again, I know that Sheik is female, this is just a tease at the idiots who don't realize.*
Elysium
Smash Lord
@the boob argument, the answer is simple.
In OoT, Zelda had to tape them down so no one would think about it. With her TP model..she got lazy and didn't feel like taping them down anymore.
In OoT, Zelda had to tape them down so no one would think about it. With her TP model..she got lazy and didn't feel like taping them down anymore.
Elysium
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double post of death
Reyairia
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Sheik never existed in the first place! It was just a name for Zelda's cross-dressing disguise.
Funny how it's 'ignorant' to think that Sheik is male, when the only real ignorant people on here are the ones that believe that there is no gender issue at all. There is NO official source that calls Sheik a female. Smash Bros is NOT official Zelda canon, no more than the manga where they specifically point out that Sheik is male. There are even some stories that have Sheik and Zelda as separate characters, the former being male.
Is it really that much of a stretch for Sheik to be male? We already have to assume that Zelda changed her physical build, her eye color, her skin tone, her voice and the length of her hair. All of those changes are physical, the Zelda universe is a magical one. Try to have an open mind.
Is it really that much of a stretch for Sheik to be male? We already have to assume that Zelda changed her physical build, her eye color, her skin tone, her voice and the length of her hair. All of those changes are physical, the Zelda universe is a magical one. Try to have an open mind.
Reyairia
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If I remember correctly, in the game manual for the original Metroid game Samus was implied to be male. Do we believe Samus got a sex changed during the game? No. It's the same thing.
Is it so much of a stretch to accept to be playing with a female character? Or is it an insult to someone's masculinity?
For everyone going OMG NO BOOBS; Guess what? Breasts are a huge pain to have for a girl to have during combat (unlike what Soul Calibur fanservice says). Being punched in the chest = very painful for a girl! Hence why girls in martial arts bind them, and if you've ever seen any decent movie with a cross dressing girl you will see she will bind them to pass off as a guy, and it works. Ok?
Even if Zelda changed her gender, or made an illusion to pass off of as a male or whatnot it's still her, with a female mind and consciousness. So Sheik would still be female.
Stop trying to make controversy. What's official is:
-Zelda disguises herself to be a Sheikah, calls herself Sheik
-Zelda is a woman
Unless you're just stupid.
GameAngel64
Smash Journeyman
No offense anyone, but I think it's because a lot of little boys would prefer to play as a male character, preferring to play a transexual than a female in disguise. They'd rather point to obscure mangas than in-game trophy text.
Reyairia
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Exactly.
Sexism = stupid.
Irmão Esmagador
Smash Cadet
If she wants to disguise herself, she couldn't just put a handkerchief in the face, and let all that dress and hair..
Tonyman
Smash Journeyman
Agreed, anyone who hasnt played Ocarina of Time should be pitied. (is pitied a word?)
Also i think her new design is pretty cool, with the long hair, i always thought she was hiding her hair inside that white hat thing.
OmegaXXII
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SHEIK is ZELDA in DISGUISE!!! end of story!!!!
Reyairia
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If she was going to trick Ganondorf she would have needed a smarter disguise than one which could be pointed out a mile away.
Uggg, I cant believe these sickos still think Sheik is a dude. I especially love the one guy saying "virgin," "******," and "you proved yourself to be an idiot so Im going to stop arguing." He is like an amalgamation of all of the "Oh **** im losing an argument! If I say THIS I WINNNNN!!!!" The fact is, Batman is not different than Bruce Wayne, is he? Because John puts on a dress, a wig, and some makeup and calls himself Jane is Jane a woman?!! NO!! It doesn't work like that. All of you supporters of Male Sheik KNOW the only reason you want Sheik to be a dude is so you can keep writing sicko fanfictions about Link and Sheik spending long cold winter nights snowed in at the ole log cabin WITHOUT it being remotely not gay. How come it seems that Zelda fans are the most twisted? MALE Sheik? FEMALE Link?! Come on! You people make me sick.
Not really.
It depends on your definition of gender.
Also, keep in mind that the disguise may be more than just a matter of clothing.
Hydde
Smash Lord
that pic with link reminds me of.............
damm she still has that stupid forward tilt which i hate so much....
damm sheik get nerfed!!!
damm she still has that stupid forward tilt which i hate so much....
damm sheik get nerfed!!!
The Metroid manual, I believe, was written so that Samus' gender would be a surprise at the end of the game. This is a little different. Also, you didn't answer my question, you only asked another question. I don't think it's a stretch to play as a female, that has nothing to do with it. As far as the 'gender of her consciousness', I disagree.
"Stop trying to make controversy. What's official is:
-Zelda disguises herself to be a Sheikah, calls herself Sheik
-Zelda is a woman
Unless you're just stupid."
Yeah, I'm just stupid enough to know that debates have two sides and there are no facts pointing in either direction. There is nothing official in the Zelda universe that states Sheik is female. To think there is no discrepency is just ignorant.
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