Laijin
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Would like to point out this is the first instance ever where I actually agree with everything Umbreon has said. :D
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I can argue that Final Destination promotes heavy camping just as much as Kongo and Rainbow Cruise.In regards to people saying, the majority of the community never agreed on banning Cruise, Brinstar, and Kongo, i think at least in terms of cruise and kongo we have, in the sense that we as a community seem to absolutely hate really campy and/or matches that result in stalling. Evidence of this is clearly shown in the reactions to Armada's YL vs Hbox. Majority of the people absolutely despise watching it. Cruise and Kongo imo allow for more camping/stalling than any other stage.
This is the type of stupid garbage that I can't stand. Whether a post is offensive or not is of ZERO significance to the post's argumentative content. It doesn't invalidate anything, and people like this kid need to stop pretending that they can bend logic by pretending like they can make claims on argumentation as if they were authority.Really hard to take you seriously if you throw insults in your posts. It basically invalidates your opinion
I don't have to/don't want to waste my time responding or discussing something with someone if they are gonna act like an immature and throw insults at people for no reason. His opinion is 100% invalidated because he doesn't know how to properly talk to someone. I don't need to show any respect for someone like that.This is the type of stupid garbage that I can't stand. Whether a post is offensive or not is of ZERO significance to the post's argumentative content. It doesn't invalidate anything, and people like this kid need to stop pretending that they can bend logic by pretending like they can make claims on argumentation as if they were authority.
without even clicking im almost positive this is the match where chibo picks puff and planks the ledge for 7 and a half minutes just to **** it up at the end. Puff can do that on any stage so we would have to ban all stages if we are trying to prevent that from happening (which obv leads to no game) or go the Brawl route and add a ledge grab limit. Plus this is more stalling then camping. Ignoring planking Kongo camping >> camping on any of the currently legal stages. If you have evidence otherwise please show it to me.I can argue that Final Destination promotes heavy camping just as much as Kongo and Rainbow Cruise.
Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPk1...16sr_hpQx2FaWdfbdMYT2U4S&feature=results_main
Your comment is even up there and got response from chibo lol
That is my point. You can camp really hard on most stages. So why use that argument for RC and Kongo?without even clicking im almost positive this is the match where chibo picks puff and planks the ledge for 7 and a half minutes just to **** it up at the end. Puff can do that on any stage so we would have to ban all stages if we are trying to prevent that from happening (which obv leads to no game) or go the Brawl route and add a ledge grab limit. Plus this is more stalling then camping. Ignoring planking its physically impossible to camp someone harder on FD then it is Kongo. If you have evidence otherwise please show it to me.
Edit: I clicked and i was correct loool
maybe you mis understood what i said. Kongo and RC imo allow for camping more than of the legal stages available. Im asking you to find me a video where someone got camped harder on FD then on Kongo.That is my point. You can camp really hard on most stages. So why use that argument for RC and Kongo?
Well then, you obviously don't know what the word "invalidated" means and are not fit to partake in any type of discussion whatsoever.I don't have to/don't want to waste my time responding or discussing something with someone if they are gonna act like an immature and throw insults at people for no reason. His opinion is 100% invalidated because he doesn't know how to properly talk to someone. I don't need to show any respect for someone like that.
this is the main point. It's just popular opinion. Even though I main peach now and brinstar is a great stage for her, i remember the hell the old ruleset was for marth mains and have no desire for a ruleset that forces players to be at such a strong disadvantage that they shouldn't play their main.If you want to make the argument that those stages should be legal again, you start with your locals. If you are trying to get an event like Evo to make those stages legal, you need to be talking to the TOs that host national scale events and getting some agreement from people who hold weight. These things still come down to "popular opinion".
I just did. Chibo tried to time him out. But videos don't really matter because lets be real, how often does this actually occur? When these stages were legal it was VERY rare for someone to actually get timed out. Just as rare as it is with any other stage. Sheik can camp Ice Climbers and time them out on Yoshi Story, Pokemon Stadium, Dreamland, Battlefield, etc etc. Basically any stage with a really high platform. So why don't we ban those too by your logic. I remember Plank timing out Ice Climber players at Apex 2 years ago on neutrals.maybe you mis understood what i said. Kongo and RC imo allow for camping more than of the legal stages available. Im asking you to find me a video where someone got camped harder on FD then on Kongo.
It doesn't really matter in the end. The guy comes off as a complete ****. Lets try to stick to the topic?snip
I disagree. I find it hard to take someone seriously when 90% of their argument is ad hominem, disgusting hateful ad hominem at that.This is the type of stupid garbage that I can't stand. Whether a post is offensive or not is of ZERO significance to the post's argumentative content. It doesn't invalidate anything, and people like this kid need to stop pretending that they can bend logic by pretending like they can make claims on argumentation as if they were authority.
I feel like this is a bit muchWell then, you obviously don't know what the word "invalidated" means and are not fit to partake in any type of discussion whatsoever.
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thats not camping clyde, that is stalling, their is a difference. Im asking for evidence of harder camping. Also again either you are not reading or failing to understand. I never said you can't camp on the current legal stages. I am saying the camping on kongo is more prevalent then the neutrals. Cause its clearly easier to camp icies on kongo then say FD or yoshi's. If you disagree with this then im done with this convo all together.I just did. Chibo tried to time him out. But videos don't really matter because lets be real, how often does this actually occur? When these stages were legal it was VERY rare for someone to actually get timed out. Just as rare as it is with any other stage. Sheik can camp Ice Climbers and time them out on Yoshi Story, Pokemon Stadium, Dreamland, Battlefield, etc etc. Basically any stage with a really high platform. So why don't we ban those too by your logic. I remember Plank timing out Ice Climber players at Apex 2 years ago on neutrals.
It doesn't really matter in the end. Lets try to stick to the topic?
Well yeah. That guy comes off as a **** as well and probably can't have an actual conversation without doing so. He is on Leffen status lol.I feel like this is a bit much
Yes, it is easier to camp on Kongo than it is on other stages. I agree with you on that. But its not so much more that it makes time outs more likely to happen. Its not like we're playing on Yoshi's Island 64 and someone is camping the cloud the entire game.thats not camping clyde, that is stalling, their is a difference. Im asking for evidence of harder camping. Also again either you are not reading or failing to understand. I never said you can't camp on the current legal stages. I am saying the camping on kongo is more prevalent then the neutrals. Cause its clearly easier to camp icies on kongo then say FD or yoshi's. If you disagree with this then im done with this convo all together.
Also, while people shouldn't be insulting people here, just cause someone insults you while making a statement doesn't invalidate the statement. For example I could say beating up a child with a sledgehamer is wrong you stupid *insert any insulting phrase here*, does that make what i say any less true? No it doesnt.
I do like the idea of the melee backroom, but when it comes to decisions like this they really should have had the input from the entire community rather than just what a few space animal mains think should be legal lol.Lol at this communities blatant bull****. "general consensus"
Na how about we allow one national, the biggest and best at the time with one man's influence cut 90% of the stages at pound while stealing money. Smashers always copy and paste rules and so this became the norm. Then sprinkle in a backroom circle fap and we've got like 20 players that = the community and the rules.
I loved counterpicks, rip. Community
wide johns and "fox nerfing" effort. Dont like the stage learn a new character that does well there use to be the mindset of players
>says it doesn't matterIt doesn't really matter in the end. Lets try to stick to the topic?
What is your problem man? Passively attacking me so you can seem like the smarter man is rather..well..I'll avoid using that word. I don't really want to cause a flame war or w/e so just drop it dude. Don't be a ****.>says it doesn't matter
>makes a big deal about it with Leffen
Oh god, people nowadays.
I think I already stated my problem. You're... like... the problem.What is your problem man? Passively attacking me so you can seem like the smarter man is rather..well..I'll avoid using that word. I don't really want to cause a flame war or w/e so just drop it dude. Don't be a ****.
Anyways
I do like that modified ruleset you posted.
Well, I'm glad you confirmed yourself to be a complete *******.I think I already stated my problem. You're... like... the problem.
I'd like to hear what other people think about that ruleset.
You could have gone to FoD or Battlefield. Given your example, PPU's character has an allegd advantage on all the playable stages except for FD (according to yourself). So in this scenario, your character would have been at a disadvantage, whether starter stages are bannable or not (because having already on on FD, you could only go to a platform stage according to DSR, even if there are no bans). That's just an inherent weakness in your playing a worst character.
the stagelst isn't a means of balancing thv cast. if marth is better on more stages than peach, then that's irrelavent.
What these internet pseudo-intellectuals fail to understand is that an insult is not equal to an ad hominem fallacy.I disagree. I find it hard to take someone seriously when 90% of their argument is ad hominem, disgusting hateful ad hominem at that.
Yeh, I don't really understand how you would see no counterpicks to be in spacies favor... It also isn't just a few spacies that wants this ruleset in europe at least (doubt it is in the US too, though it seems less popular over there). People were just ignoring it or getting mad about it when tonberry allowed counterpicks at smasher's reunion, lol.Laijin, you seem to believe spacies are content with less stages, but Cruise and Kongo are both stages made for them, where fast movement is key, be it horizontal or vertical.
On Kongo if you don't have quick vertical movement (i.e. a way to reach the platforms fast) there is no way you'll win ever if your opponent decides to play to your weaknesses.