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Sheik has been confirmed to use FTilt into FAir.
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Official Hyrule Hangout - Sheik Social
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shairn
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Shino Stalling still works. Sheik now has a lower SH, at least from what I experienced, which should allow for a better aerial game.
Side B sucks in enemies and lasts for a fair while, so I think it could get good use in edgeguarding. Uair is a multihit, like Samus, with a smash hitbox at the end. dair is Brawl dair. Dthrow is melee dthrow, fthrow has incredible knockback like all throws in smash4. Fsmash has kill potential.
Overall, I think Sheik is better than ever.
Side B sucks in enemies and lasts for a fair while, so I think it could get good use in edgeguarding. Uair is a multihit, like Samus, with a smash hitbox at the end. dair is Brawl dair. Dthrow is melee dthrow, fthrow has incredible knockback like all throws in smash4. Fsmash has kill potential.
Overall, I think Sheik is better than ever.
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HRR2b23
Smash Apprentice
Wait, Melee dthrow? As in God throw?
Tristan_win
Not dead.
Depending on how things went Sheik could kill from as early as 90-110% (ish) with proper ftilt decay into usmash to the worst being improper decay of Nair, vanish, usmash(side hit not tipper) and bair which would be 170-190%. When I did fail to get a good gimp or tipper usmash off against someone like De3 I would wait until 150% before I would even think about killing again.
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thegreatpike
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Sheik will be top tier. I guarantee it.
Tristan_win
Not dead.
Knock back on a sand bag has always been very different then from regular characters but with that said I'm probability going to watch this video like 30 times.Also the guy yell out 'this can combo' at pretty much everything which I don't believe it could. Mad hype though.
...I hate to say this but Sheik is looking almost too good, like now I'm afraid they are going to nerf her. ~sighs~ Well it's better to work down then up, hopefully the balancers will be too busy to pay much attention to Sheik so she can ninja her way to top tier again.
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How far into development have they tweaked individual character specifications in previous titles? Do we even know?
There's a little less than 3 months until the game launches in Japan. Note that a game is often finished a certain period of time before street date. They don't finish game development the day before a game's street date working till the last possible minute. It's finished well before then. I'd imagine there's an internal development deadline the public is not made privy to.
For example Mario Kart 8 was completed well over a month before it was actually shipped to stores prior to the street date. Various gaming media outlets and a certain YouTube users had the final build of the game many weeks prior to its actual public release.
3 dates. The date the final build is completed internally, the date game is shipped to retailers, and the actual street date. Only that last one is what's three months away meaning it doesn't actually have three months of development time left.
That's why while I could see minor (I want to empathize the world minor) changes, but not major ones at this stage in development. It's just infeasible.
There's a little less than 3 months until the game launches in Japan. Note that a game is often finished a certain period of time before street date. They don't finish game development the day before a game's street date working till the last possible minute. It's finished well before then. I'd imagine there's an internal development deadline the public is not made privy to.
For example Mario Kart 8 was completed well over a month before it was actually shipped to stores prior to the street date. Various gaming media outlets and a certain YouTube users had the final build of the game many weeks prior to its actual public release.
3 dates. The date the final build is completed internally, the date game is shipped to retailers, and the actual street date. Only that last one is what's three months away meaning it doesn't actually have three months of development time left.
That's why while I could see minor (I want to empathize the world minor) changes, but not major ones at this stage in development. It's just infeasible.
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Someone else made the point that the work on the demo had to have started more than one day before e3 obviously, so the state of the game that we see might already be 2-3 months behind what they currently have in development.
I really don't want to prematurely celebrate because stuff like frame data and numbers are probably the most likely to constantly get adjusted and played around with, but seriously current grenade, bf and needles status gets me hyped. Cannot wait to experiment with the first two from what we've seen.
I really don't want to prematurely celebrate because stuff like frame data and numbers are probably the most likely to constantly get adjusted and played around with, but seriously current grenade, bf and needles status gets me hyped. Cannot wait to experiment with the first two from what we've seen.
I do hope that there are new characters I want to play or old veterans who weren't great in any of the previous games that are now viable...
But Sheik was my main in Melee, so I'm not gonna be upset about being able to use her again. So frustrating to play her in Brawl... it's always like almost good, but not really, cuz you just can't KO. And the things to do in Melee that were so fun don't work at all.
Also yes, the demo build is not 3 months out from release/2 months from going gold or whatever. There are even inconsistencies between it and footage from the April Direct, so it might be from March.
But Sheik was my main in Melee, so I'm not gonna be upset about being able to use her again. So frustrating to play her in Brawl... it's always like almost good, but not really, cuz you just can't KO. And the things to do in Melee that were so fun don't work at all.
Also yes, the demo build is not 3 months out from release/2 months from going gold or whatever. There are even inconsistencies between it and footage from the April Direct, so it might be from March.
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Ever since I heard during the Treehouse stream that her Down B can Meteor people, my excitement to play Sheik has shot through the roof. I can't wait to find out if I can rack up 30%-50% damage and then end the combo with her D-B and just Meteor fools into the abyss. IIRC, her F-tilt alone built 30% on Little Mac in that video that VG Bootcamp posted about her moveset.
I really think that Sheik will be competing for Top Tier this time around (a nice return to her Melee Level) along with Greninja, Kirby, DK, ZSS, Rosalina, Lucario, and hopefully Bowser and Mario.
I really think that Sheik will be competing for Top Tier this time around (a nice return to her Melee Level) along with Greninja, Kirby, DK, ZSS, Rosalina, Lucario, and hopefully Bowser and Mario.
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I really wanted Sheik cut from this game (in favor for Impa) but seeing all these nice things she has gained, I might give her a few tries again. She after all was a strong secondary in both Melee and Brawl. Impa is still cooler though. And Diddy will forever be my first main.
Tristan_win
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It'sRainingGravy was nice enough to collect the data on how much damage each attack does in the game on the 3DS. We should all like his thread for his dedication.
http://smashboards.com/threads/smas...haracter-moveset-videos.358689/#post-16930770
Sheik
Jab 1: 2%
Jab 2: 3%
Rapid Jab: 1%(x8)
Final Jab: 3%
Jab Combo: 16% total
Ftilt: 4%
Utilt: 5% first hit, 6% second hit -> 11% total
Dtilt: 8%
Dash Attack: 6%
Fsmash (Full Charge): 6% first hit, 12% second hit -> 18% total
Usmash (uncharged): 11% second hit
Usmash (Full Charge): 21% first hit, 16% second hit -> 37% total (!!!)
Dsmash (Full Charge, front hitbox): 5% first hit, 9% second hit -> 14% total (only did 13% in the video)
Nair: 8% [7%]. Sex kick did 5%.
Fair: 9% [7%]
Uair: 1%(x?%)
Dair: 8% (landing hitbox does an additional 2% damage)
Bair: 10% (11% sweetspot)
Needles: 2%(x6) = 12% total
Vanish: 12%
Bouncing Fish: 9%
Grenades: 13% (pulls people towards it)
Thoughts: Sheik jab combo does a insane amount of damage! Out of that list of characters Sheik does the most damage with her jab combo which makes me think. With the removal of Smash DI and the addition of what seem to be inescapable jab combos doesn't that make Sheik Jab arguably her best option?
It's our fastest attack, works at any percentage, can't be escaped, can't be sidestepped, it's range in Brawl was almost as long as her ftilt, it acts as a kill move in the later percents, can have it's timing mixed up to punished attempted shield grabs (aka semi safe on shield) and now does more damage then our smash attacks. This isn't even taking into account it's priority which in my opinion was fairly decent in Brawl.
The only reasons why you would use any other move now is because there a chance you will do more damage in a combo/string or it will put you in advantage positions (like throwing them off stage or putting them above you)
I think the biggest positive for a jab centered Sheik though would be that it helps save her smash attacks and aerials for killing which will help Sheik killing problems a bit now that using dsmash and nairs for damage isn't worth it. I have a feeling playing the 3DS is going to make me a better Sheik main because with the lack of C stick I will be force to break the habit of using my 'oh ****' dsmash whenever I could instead of turning around to Ftilt/jab.
http://smashboards.com/threads/smas...haracter-moveset-videos.358689/#post-16930770
Sheik
Jab 1: 2%
Jab 2: 3%
Rapid Jab: 1%(x8)
Final Jab: 3%
Jab Combo: 16% total
Ftilt: 4%
Utilt: 5% first hit, 6% second hit -> 11% total
Dtilt: 8%
Dash Attack: 6%
Fsmash (Full Charge): 6% first hit, 12% second hit -> 18% total
Usmash (uncharged): 11% second hit
Usmash (Full Charge): 21% first hit, 16% second hit -> 37% total (!!!)
Dsmash (Full Charge, front hitbox): 5% first hit, 9% second hit -> 14% total (only did 13% in the video)
Nair: 8% [7%]. Sex kick did 5%.
Fair: 9% [7%]
Uair: 1%(x?%)
Dair: 8% (landing hitbox does an additional 2% damage)
Bair: 10% (11% sweetspot)
Needles: 2%(x6) = 12% total
Vanish: 12%
Bouncing Fish: 9%
Grenades: 13% (pulls people towards it)
Thoughts: Sheik jab combo does a insane amount of damage! Out of that list of characters Sheik does the most damage with her jab combo which makes me think. With the removal of Smash DI and the addition of what seem to be inescapable jab combos doesn't that make Sheik Jab arguably her best option?
It's our fastest attack, works at any percentage, can't be escaped, can't be sidestepped, it's range in Brawl was almost as long as her ftilt, it acts as a kill move in the later percents, can have it's timing mixed up to punished attempted shield grabs (aka semi safe on shield) and now does more damage then our smash attacks. This isn't even taking into account it's priority which in my opinion was fairly decent in Brawl.
The only reasons why you would use any other move now is because there a chance you will do more damage in a combo/string or it will put you in advantage positions (like throwing them off stage or putting them above you)
I think the biggest positive for a jab centered Sheik though would be that it helps save her smash attacks and aerials for killing which will help Sheik killing problems a bit now that using dsmash and nairs for damage isn't worth it. I have a feeling playing the 3DS is going to make me a better Sheik main because with the lack of C stick I will be force to break the habit of using my 'oh ****' dsmash whenever I could instead of turning around to Ftilt/jab.
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Dat ****ing Up Smash damage.
Be prepared for nerfs.
Be prepared for nerfs.
4cast
Smash Ace
From I've seen Played and Heard Its Sheik that's going to be in SS Tier time around. All her aerials cancel out Her Grenade pulls people in for combo's Side Tilt and Fair come out almost instantly Bouncing Fish is similar to Mac's Jolt Haymaker but without the protection of No damage being taken from projectile also Bouncing Fish bounces you back quite a bit which I think you can cancel out of and run and throw Burst grenade to suck them in then do a pummel To rack up some damage Then say do Back Throw and try to into Down B or Side B so its really easy to do devastating Combos with Sheik Glad she is getting some Love this time around!
EDIT: Needles Also Auto Cancel like Melee
EDIT : Bouncing Fish is also a Spike if you use it in the air
EDIT: Needles Also Auto Cancel like Melee
EDIT : Bouncing Fish is also a Spike if you use it in the air
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Tristan_win
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I know this is a bit random but... Does anyone feel that Sheik is in more pictures then normal? She might not be in as many pictures as say Mario but I feel she's in a lot.
Jarelo
Smash Rookie
Maybe it has to do with the fact that she/he is a separate character this time around, which can almost be considered 'new'. Showing the new(ish) characters on the PotD is a great way to keep the audience interested and engaged, or else what's the point of showing stuff we already know about?
Absol
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One notable thing I was considering was how far her grenades can go off stage. Especially if you jump first. With the timing it takes for the grenades to explode sheik still has time to move. With a vacuum explosion, a spike, quick attacks and even needles to her disposable Sheik has some really good gimp options this time around. Nevertheless a lot of characters have decent enough recovery to where they don't even have to touch the ledge.
4cast
Smash Ace
Bouncing Fish is also a great edge guarding tool if you hit the enemy at the right time
#HBC | Scary
Hype Incarnate
I need to make myself excited for new smash but imma miss Brawl Sheik. She was just fun lol.
Also gonna miss the synergy that I had with Zelda. Mannnnnnnnnnnn.
Also gonna miss the synergy that I had with Zelda. Mannnnnnnnnnnn.
Absol
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One character just wasn't enough for you was it?
#HBC | Scary
Hype Incarnate
Not at all. Loved my two characters. Couldn't be truly counter picked. It was a nice problem to have.
ShrekItRalph
Smash Ace
Not really Smash related, but Sheak has been confirmed to be playable in Hyrule Warriors.
Absol
Sucker Punch
All of a sudden i want a Wii U.Not really Smash related, but Sheak has been confirmed to be playable in Hyrule Warriors.
TheDarkKnightNoivern
Smash Master
That needs to be an alt, along with link, zelda and ganondorf of courseNot really Smash related, but Sheak has been confirmed to be playable in Hyrule Warriors.
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Tristan_win
Not dead.
...Well s***, I was already interested in this game now I have to buy it. Damn it Nintendo :3Not really Smash related, but Sheak has been confirmed to be playable in Hyrule Warriors.
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ZombieBran
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Oh man, I love how Sheik looks so far.
I will probably pick her as a secondary even if she is nerfed before release just for Sheilda.
I will probably pick her as a secondary even if she is nerfed before release just for Sheilda.
DrRiceBoy
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She looks really good in that picture. Love the new design.Not really Smash related, but Sheak has been confirmed to be playable in Hyrule Warriors.
Tristan_win
Not dead.
...I'm sorry but Sheilda is no longer a thing since Sheik and Zelda are now separate characters.
ZombieBran
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I know. I meant in the spirit of Sheilda =P
#HBC | Scary
Hype Incarnate
WAAAAAAAAH SHEILDA!!!!!!!!
/Wah.
/Wah.
Tristan_win
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and yet not a single flower on her grave.
Absol
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Too personal
ZombieBran
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okay
Rich Homie Quan
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Sheik looks stellar.
S_B
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Is it me, or did they give Snake's grenade to Shiek?
Absol
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Dumb question, but some people say Sheik's a guy and some say Sheik's a girl, what is Sheik?
Farorae
Smash Ace
Girl. I mean her melee and oot appearances was Zelda disguised as a man (some people debate this but eh, it's zelda). But in Brawl and Smash 4 they've given her an actual female appearance.
And no it's not a dumb question, people debate this all the time
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