Q&A How to Wreck *****es with Ganon?- Linguini Q&A Thread

[Superspright]

You were just being creative, and probably you were focusing purely on them. It's also a stimulant in some ways. It's not intoxicating at all. The only insight I ever gained while playing under the influence was that the game is horribly simple, and I overcomplicate it. I need to just do a few things very well, and I can get very far with my character, but I also realized that I am giving myself too much of a challenge by playing someone whose fundamentals are so hard to do perfectly.

 

[Duskane]

Also I discovered the other day how easy it is to bend people to your will when you're offstage (talking about spacies). I never really went for unsafe things like fair very often, but when I started just ****ing around with it I was finding I could make my opponent recover low just by throwing out a bunch of **** covering high options earlier in a game. Then I just started covering the low options and I'd go entire games without messing up edgeguards. I think fear is one of the most important tools Ganon has. Influencing someone to do what you want makes the reads so much easier.

well that's how Ganondorf rolls hes not like C.falcon who can run up and start something,Hes all about punishing and mind games why moon walking can be such a big part of playing him and most the time your opponent is running into the hits

 

[-ACE-]

Ganon CAN run up and pressure hard though, which can lead to openings. I think the general idea that Ganon can't approach effectively tends to hold people back.

 

[X WaNtEd X]

Ganon CAN run up and pressure hard though, which can lead to openings. I think the general idea that Ganon can't approach effectively tends to hold people back.

I agree. Speaking of which, I'm starting to get consistent with pivot ftilt. Not perfect yet, but pretty close. I think I only need a few more weeks :D

 

[YvngFlameHoe]

why don't you hold this back dawg

 

[SwiftNinjaBlackMan]

 

[Gandhi Jam]

I've been trying to figure out alternatives for ganon in neutral besides perfect wavelanding to approach/space. I've been doing SH non FF reverse Uair trying to keep the opponent at ganons toes. Does anyone know if this is actually a thing or can it be punished too easily?

 

[X WaNtEd X]

I've been trying to figure out alternatives for ganon in neutral besides perfect wavelanding to approach/space. I've been doing SH non FF reverse Uair trying to keep the opponent at ganons toes. Does anyone know if this is actually a thing or can it be punished too easily?

Reverse uair can be punished pretty easy unfortunately. I think it's pretty good in neutral vs. Puff though. See what tipman does with that ****.

As for approaches, there are plenty besides waveland. But honestly, most of your approaches will be reads on your opponent's movement or habits. Ganon does not have a lot of safe approaches, and the ones he does have are hard to execute.

I don't really consider this to be approaching, but one of the best strategies you can use is to corner your opponent and then react to a mistake.

 

[Superspright]

Ganondorf ain't **** once they figure you out. That's his issue. If Iam feeling sharp as **** and I am downloading people like I got fiber optic and if I'm not I am just a poor ass dial-up *****. Fundamentals are one issue--the rest is the fact that everyone else does something he does a little bit better, except for his ledge-shenanigans [super ****ing broken].

Honestly, what opponent really makes mistakes anymore? I don't seem to play many who make blatant errors. Tech flubs don't really happen where I am...maybe some spacing errors or something. Cornering people isn't even possible against some people. They just won't concede any space. The second you encroach they are ****ing you up.

 

[-ACE-]

Shroomed made a few errors vs kage I'd say lmao

 

[Divinokage]

Ganondorf ain't **** once they figure you out. That's his issue. If Iam feeling sharp as **** and I am downloading people like I got fiber optic and if I'm not I am just a poor *** dial-up *****. Fundamentals are one issue--the rest is the fact that everyone else does something he does a little bit better, except for his ledge-shenanigans [super ****ing broken].

Honestly, what opponent really makes mistakes anymore? I don't seem to play many who make blatant errors. Tech flubs don't really happen where I am...maybe some spacing errors or something. Cornering people isn't even possible against some people. They just won't concede any space. The second you encroach they are ****ing you up.

I dont agree, every single player has openings even the so called godly players. You just need to be aware of them and keep a level head where you have to belief you can defeat anybody.

 

[X WaNtEd X]

i feel like every character "ain't ****" once your opponent has figured you, as a player, out. it's up to you to have more layers of mixups than the opponent. once they've figured out one layer, you need to bust out a new layer to **** them up.

ganon has less layers than other characters, but his layers **** people way harder than other characters. the way i see it, you need to wait to unleash your true weapons until it is too late for them to be "figured out".

i will say this about "mistakes". a lot of good players, at least from my experience, will not be able to give you solid advice on how to advance your game. why? because they won't acknowledge the fact they make errors that are exploitable by ganon and they don't know how ganon is suppose to exploit those errors. so they will tell you you can't do anything. and the longer you lose, the more those words will stick to you until you start believing them.

cornering is possible against anyone that you can land a solid hit against. i have yet to play someone i couldn't corner at some point.

 

[tm]

Turns out I might be going to genesis.

 

[VegiLohrd]

If I ever start feeling down about Ganon and how he doesn't have as many tools as certain characters, I go play Roy for a few games. Then, suddenly, I realize just how many things ganon can do.

 

[K1KK0M4N]

How are the quarter circle pivots going guys? Been practicing every day, for the last 2 weeks, and I'm starting to be able to do the low ftilt out of a pivot rather consistently.

A new age for Ganon is coming when we all master this!!

 

[YvngFlameHoe]

How are the quarter circle pivots going guys? Been practicing every day, for the last 2 weeks, and I'm starting to be able to do the low ftilt out of a pivot rather consistently.

A new age for Ganon is coming when we all master this!!

How is the method done?

 

[-ACE-]

http://smashboards.com/threads/advice-on-gravys-pivot-method.413391/

 

[-ACE-]

Turns out I might be going to genesis.

I REALLY want to go.

 

[PseudoTurtle]

I'm ****ing around with the idea of going to Miami for a little bit before genesis and then flying out straight from there. Price is kinda high, but not undoable. Whole trip would run me $350 with current pricing.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm...

 

[-ACE-]

I'm ****ing around with the idea of going to Miami for a little bit before genesis and then flying out straight from there. Price is kinda high, but not undoable. Whole trip would run me $350 with current pricing.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm...

Always try Fort Lauderdale too

edit: that's mid season.... It's always going to be tough. But if you're here... Flying AWAY from Miami in the winter (even to LA) shouldn't be bad

 

[-ACE-]

20 SECOND VIDEO your stage of choice. Best technicals win. Judging will be decided by how many techs were performed and the difficulty of them.

All submissions in by 10-15-15. all submissions welcome.

cell phone footage allowed. Would actually be cool to see what people come up with if you guys are actually down. Im predicting psuedo dashes? Maybe 2 in a row?

http://youtu.be/pO4aUGgYFEo

LOL

 

[RedmanSSBM]

I'm ****ing around with the idea of going to Miami for a little bit before genesis and then flying out straight from there. Price is kinda high, but not undoable. Whole trip would run me $350 with current pricing.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm...

That's pretty reasonable considering a Southwest airline flight from Charlotte to San Jose is about $394 round trip.

http://youtu.be/pO4aUGgYFEo

LOL

Damn wish I could do that consistently. Would be useful for edgeguarding mostly.

 

[-ACE-]

Damn wish I could do that consistently. Would be useful for edgeguarding mostly.

Against peach when she's floating back and forth it's godly.

 

[PaperstSoapCo]

The winner of the 2015 Ganondorf technical exibition goes to... ACE!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO4aUGgYFEo&feature=youtu.be

Good luck next year to all the participants.

 

[-ACE-]

LMAO next year.

Heavy is the crown.

 

[YvngFlameHoe]

-ACE- @spider_sense @Zigludo I might be moving to Georgia

 

[YvngFlameHoe]

http://youtu.be/pO4aUGgYFEo

LOL

Also how fast do you have to do this?

 

[-ACE-]

Also how fast do you have to do this?

If it's not FP, close enough.

Edit: where in GA?

 

[YvngFlameHoe]

Idk yet, but they PR weak af

 

[X WaNtEd X]

I can't do that uair regrab ****. I really want to learn it, though. Isn't it like you jump at a slight diagonal angle or something? You gotta show us a video of your fingers doing it or something. That tech is super useful.

I have this vision of the optimal Ganon edgeguarding almost completely from the ledge similar to what hax did with Falcon. I wonder how practical that actually would be...

 

[K1KK0M4N]

Honestly uair regrab shouldn't be that hard, but for some reason it is lol xD

I can do the knee regrab with falcon pretty consistently, but mess up the uair regrab as Ganon.

Guess it's just all about practice, like everything in this game!

Seriously there's so much tech we can all learn with Ganon, that'll be beneficial and slick af!
Can't wait to take some time off Falcon, and focus entirely on Ganon tech skill!

 

[-ACE-]

I can't do that uair regrab ****. I really want to learn it, though. Isn't it like you jump at a slight diagonal angle or something? You gotta show us a video of your fingers doing it or something. That tech is super useful.

I have this vision of the optimal Ganon edgeguarding almost completely from the ledge similar to what hax did with Falcon. I wonder how practical that actually would be...

Slam away, immediately roll to up, slam c-up. All one motion.

 

[PseudoTurtle]

What I do is just lightly tap the control stick away, then immediately roll to up position and press A. Seems a little easier that way, less precision from your hands at least imo.

Pretty sure it is a frame perfect input, but I'm not sure on that one.

 

[-ACE-]

What I do is just lightly tap the control stick away, then immediately roll to up position and press A. Seems a little easier that way, less precision from your hands at least imo.

Pretty sure it is a frame perfect input, but I'm not sure on that one.

Yeah that's essentially the same thing. If I had to guess, 1 frame of error, solely because it looks to me as if there are two heights at which Ganon regrabs the ledge. One looks normal, and one looks like he is almost too low but still grabs.

I tend to use c-stick for almost every aerial, but my the speed of my thumb is limited to being FP from a normal jumpsquat. So after hitting X I can get to c-up within 4-6 frames-ish, not nearly fast enough for doing it from a dj lol.

 

[RedmanSSBM]

for ledgehop upair regrab ledge, I use the c-stick to let go of ledge on one frame, hit up on control stick to jump for the second frame, and while still holding up on the control stick, I hit Z, which makes me upair.

You can string this all together pretty fast and I find it to be the easiest method for myself. You can even move in the air a bit with this method.

 

[-ACE-]

I will never be able to use c-stick to drop from ledge, I just suck at it. Down + FP X input for life.

 

[PseudoTurtle]

Yeah that's essentially the same thing. If I had to guess, 1 frame of error, solely because it looks to me as if there are two heights at which Ganon regrabs the ledge. One looks normal, and one looks like he is almost too low but still grabs.

I tend to use c-stick for almost every aerial, but my the speed of my thumb is limited to being FP from a normal jumpsquat. So after hitting X I can get to c-up within 4-6 frames-ish, not nearly fast enough for doing it from a dj lol.

Yea, I'm about the same here. I can do quick ac shff up airs with one hand, but sometimes I will analog double jump so I can get an aerial out on time (good for those DJ up airs under the ledge to counterattack shine)

 

[aHarmlessCup]

the method I used was: tap away on control stick to let go of the ledge and as you roll up one notch press A

Edit: shoutout to my thighs for holding the phone

 

[Bwmat]

If it's not FP, close enough.

Edit: where in GA?

Lol, I made this last night after seeing that video, but didn't upload it because it kind of sucked
https://youtu.be/WgqH4Dh8sDM

I don't think it's frame perfect, but pretty tight on any case.

 

[PseudoTurtle]

Wow! Can someone teach me how to be as technical on the ledge as you guys are? That move is crazy!