Q&A How to Wreck *****es with Ganon?- Linguini Q&A Thread

[YvngFlameHoe]

Brodie's, Falcon is the only top tier that matters :D and on another note, why is everybody playing my color now all of a sudden -_- ? I'm the Red Ganon, excuse yourselves

 

[YvngFlameHoe]

***DOUBLE POSTING***
Has anybody seen this BasedGodness? https://youtu.be/szggXY8k99I

 

[Duel]

As long as you don't room with m2k.

He stayed in my room last year for the Big House, never paid, not shocked...

 

[-ACE-]

He stayed in my room last year for the Big House, never paid, not shocked...

LOL at least all your towels didn't end up missing/used inappropriately

 

[gmBottles]

Uh oh Fox has multishined his way into my heart
Yesterday while I had an epiphany. I'm not good enough yet to main a mid tier or low tier. Maybe once I get really good I'll represent the characters I love more, but until then *BLIP BLIP*
I'm still gonna be here though. Similar to Bowser and Puff, I want to see this character evolve and become the best he can be.

 

[-ACE-]

After you get eviscerated, we'll accept you back with open warlock arms.

 

[Yung Scrap]

After I waveland can I perform a jump canceled grab?

 

[X WaNtEd X]

After I waveland can I perform a jump canceled grab?

Yes.

 

[Renth]

I did, Down smash (The Vaccuum)

The Vaccuum: Down smash by the ledge if the opponent runs into it they get a jank gimp that sends them off stage after only being hit by the first hit.

so, Vaccuum, reverse up air, follow down with another reverse down air, (do not use your double jump, just keep up airing) jump back to the ledge, RLD, Stomp.

Was fun stuff

 

[Coastward]

I did, Down smash (The Vaccuum)

The Vaccuum: Down smash by the ledge if the opponent runs into it they get a jank gimp that sends them off stage after only being hit by the first hit.

so, Vaccuum, reverse up air, follow down with another reverse down air, (do not use your double jump, just keep up airing) jump back to the ledge, RLD, Stomp.

Was fun stuff

works on yoshi island cloud too. time the move so that the 2nd kick animation gets cancelled by the ledge snap and they'll get sent flying.

 

[NickNasty]

@ Renth
tipman -> follow down -> tipman ledge cancel (on Randall) -> tipman
It was too beautiful for words man

 

[PseudoTurtle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEZHZNG4AKo guys if you have the time can you tell me why/how I suck

(disregard 2nd game because I was being a buster with Samus)

So, I'd recommend that you watch Kira's top 5 newbie mistakes video. I know he's a dirty sheik main, but it's actually a pretty good one. Two of the items on there that I noticed you did right away were shield grabs and waiting after attacks (both of which I still occasionally have problems with too).

But the main one was that you looked really hesitant and a bit slow after you committed to a move. A way to practice acting out of a move faster is by L-cancelling a move and holding L / R (whatever you use to L-cancel) so that your shield comes up. That way you know exactly when the lag ends and you can act out of your attack.

Renth, that sounds beautiful. I love RLD dair with a passion.

 

[Yung Scrap]

What is a tipman spike??

 

[NickNasty]

What is a tipman spike??

Frame 16 baby. That toe tap of love that makes your opponent salty as hell.

Edit: Basically what you want to do is roll back towards the ledge, and edge guard with the late hitboxes of this attack to send them away and down from the stage. 1 or 2 of these in succession is pretty much a guaranteed kill.
Named after the player "tippman"

 

[Yung Scrap]

I always see bizarro flame do that. I never really comprehended exactly what he was doing

 

[NickNasty]

I know it's been posted many times, but I love this set way too much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FuGPHzBOwY

Take a shot every time you hear the casters say Tipman

 

[Renth]

Twitch.tv/Lunacy_Renth

Playing Isaac right now, will probably melee later.

Come ask me things about anything I'm lonely

 

[-ACE-]

Ganons fastest/most atypical techs which are not expected in today's meta:

-Pivots
-Auto Cancels
-Edge Cancels
-Shield drops
-No-Impact Land (NIL)
-Advanced Edge Techs (pseudo dash, runoff dj wL, etc)
-WD OOS (STILL!?!?!)
-SHIELD DI

.....and the many applications thereof.

Underused punish game tactics:

-Untechable stomp
-Tomahawk
-DD grab (yes I said it)
-Pivot Grab
-up-B (neutral AND edgeguarding)
-chaingrabbing
-Wizkick spike KO's

Movement is the key. Tricky movement is the only thing that can make Ganons neutral game not suck so bad.

/random thoughts, but I think this is important.

 

[-ACE-]

Also wd oos will get you torn up vs. Marth


Already ahead of you man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QptrjGXLVqM

Why did no one say anything when I came to this exact conclusion and posted about it 7 months ago?

Honestly bro (and I said nothing to Locke either) I've known about this for around 7 years. Fact is I just haven't focused hard enough to see what matters most... But today's metagame calls for pulling out all the stops, and a new way of thinking I've developed has been helping me, and since I never withhold information from these boards, I figure I'd share stuff I try to ABUSE now instead of use situationally.

 

[tm]

Spent like 6 hrs practicing various CGs and punishing sheik off of grab on Yoshi's on reaction. 20GT someday.

Ace's list is great as usual. NIL on the rise, been practicing some stuff there as well. Also trying to implement FH fair (bait) -> late uair in neutral, as well as FH bair (bait) -> late bair / DJ / waveland (the n0ne). I never really approached neutral by going for tricksy movements, which is like 99% of how some dorfs play neutral lol. Some nice findings already

 

[-ACE-]

The n0ne?? The @ Renth circa 05 lol

 

[Renth]

The n0ne?? The @ Renth circa 05 lol

They don't know.

Leave them be impressed/follow whomever they believe / think to believe.

 

[tm]

damn, looks like I stepped on some toes. My b, I thought the Renth was wavelanding at least once per second for an entire match

edit:
p.s.
eddie spike
tipman
the rockcrock
haxdashing
eikeldrop
kage special

 

[Coastward]

idk if you guys saw but i almost made a 16 stock comeback for my TMG crew battle.

got nervous and ****ed up against a jiggs LOLLLL.

 

[PseudoTurtle]

idk if you guys saw but i almost made a 16 stock comeback for my TMG crew battle.

got nervous and ****ed up against a jiggs LOLLLL.

Good ****.

Champaign is gonna **** you up.

 

[RedmanSSBM]

Dammit smashboards why did you stop giving me notifications for this thread? This site sometimes...

Uh oh Fox has multishined his way into my heart
Yesterday while I had an epiphany. I'm not good enough yet to main a mid tier or low tier. Maybe once I get really good I'll represent the characters I love more, but until then *BLIP BLIP*
I'm still gonna be here though. Similar to Bowser and Puff, I want to see this character evolve and become the best he can be.

ROFLROFLROFLROFL I remember doing this with Marth/Sheik. It lasted for like a week.

"Maybe once I get really good I'll represent the characters I love more."

Maybe once you actually think rationally about your choices and not while you're smoking you'll come to see that that quote is rather ignorant. You may not know it now, but you will learn why later. Don't worry, I used to be ignorant as well.

Then again, Ganondorf isn't for everyone.

 

[-ACE-]

Wtf smashbroads

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

Wtf smashbroads

I don't like it.

 

[gmBottles]

Dammit smashboards why did you stop giving me notifications for this thread? This site sometimes...


ROFLROFLROFLROFL I remember doing this with Marth/Sheik. It lasted for like a week.

"Maybe once I get really good I'll represent the characters I love more."

Maybe once you actually think rationally about your choices and not while you're smoking you'll come to see that that quote is rather ignorant. You may not know it now, but you will learn why later. Don't worry, I used to be ignorant as well.

Then again, Ganondorf isn't for everyone.

I see where you're coming from but I've actually been playing Fox for a long time now, and after realizing that I'm simply better with him, I made the switch. (obviously I'll do better with a top tier rather than Ganondorf but eh, that's not what I based it off of)
My primary goal has always been to develop Bowser's metagame, and I'm gonna stick with that. But since I started playing mid and low tiers, I stopped getting better at Melee. So this seems like a logical decision to me.

 

[NickNasty]

I wish I had a clip of this from last nights basement session with some friends.
On YS - My Ganon vs his Falco -

Both kicking around 20-30% footsies I'm cornered and he is spamming dair shine at ledge. I think he flubbed and tried to get aggro offstage so I took full advantage of it.

(me holding ledge) RLD -> DJ to side plat -> RLD -> stomp (he meteor cancels) -> ledge cancel Stomp (he meteor cancels again) -> DJ Bair for the KO

Probably the most technical thing I've ever done in my life, in terms of covering every one of his options while styling. I luv life today

 

[-ACE-]

Edge cancel stomp on randall?

 

[NickNasty]

I see where you're coming from but I've actually been playing Fox for a long time now, and after realizing that I'm simply better with him, I made the switch. (obviously I'll do better with a top tier rather than Ganondorf but eh, that's not what I based it off of)
My primary goal has always been to develop Bowser's metagame, and I'm gonna stick with that. But since I started playing mid and low tiers, I stopped getting better at Melee. So this seems like a logical decision to me.

Play with better players. I've been only playing melee since March of this year and I'm taking games off some of the best players in my region pretty consistently now. The main reason for my quick success (gettin gud) is by primarily surrounding myself with better players, people who will beat me consistently until I figure out what I'm doing wrong and fix it.

-ACE- nah I drifted in then back out with an analog jump. I was back on to him and pretty much hit him with the rightmost possible frame of the second stomp lmfao. Idk if you've done a ton of analog jumping reaserch but it's super cool and I would definitely recommend looking into it. Lets you do a lot more with your full hop fairs/spacing. I just got really lucky that he meteor cancelled in a perfect range for my second stomp. I think it was the tightest I've played in my life tbh

 

[-ACE-]

Wtf is an analog jump lmao

 

[NickNasty]

Wtf is an analog jump lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY3XugmyMow

It was one of the main things I was really trying to work on when I was learning how to play Falcon as soon as I started at looking at game mechanics. It's normally from standing; basically what it does is increase your drift range.

 

[-ACE-]

Not familiar with that term, but I'm fully aware of how the position of the control stick influences jump trajectory. Good stuff.

 

[VegiLohrd]

Hey guys I got top 8 at a 30 man local. I played so well.

 

[Linguini]

damn, looks like I stepped on some toes. My b, I thought the Renth was wavelanding at least once per second for an entire match

edit:
p.s.
eddie spike
tipman
the rockcrock
haxdashing
eikeldrop
kage special

don't forget the guini. fair to the face (un-l cancelled)

 

[PseudoTurtle]

don't forget the guini. fair to the face (un-l cancelled)

I've been doing the guini for years and didn't even know my inspiration.

Played a set vs dart today. Went ok. Good first game and then I did the standard "oh that wasn't so bad" and then got three stocked lmfao.

Things I learned:
1. Our neutral was pretty even. I made some fantastic reads and spaced well, good movement, the works. The difference between these types of players and more mid-level players like myself is if they hit you, they know just how to follow up and you'll die. They don't drop edge guards, they don't mess up. I thought we were going pretty even, but I dropped an edge guard or something and the momentum switched.

2. This game is all mindset. I need to take a moment to chill out after a close game or a big loss and gather my thoughts

 

[RedmanSSBM]

My primary goal has always been to develop Bowser's metagame, and I'm gonna stick with that. But since I started playing mid and low tiers, I stopped getting better at Melee. So this seems like a logical decision to me.

Dude, you choose one or the other. You either main Bowser cause you really want to develop his metagame or you play Fox because you care more about winning. I mean of course playing mid and low tiers means you're not gonna have as good results as if you were to play Fox. Fox is a much better character for a reason.

For me, it's one or the other. If you want to develop your Fox now so that you'll be good enough to main Bowser again, people are gonna give you strangle looks when you switch back to Bowser cause you wanna "develop his meta." If that's what you really wanna do, then be my guest. It doesn't make much sense to me, but if it makes sense to you then I really have no say at the end of the day. It looks a bit foolish to me right now, and you might not realize it now, but maybe later you will.

 

[RedmanSSBM]

-ACE- you can SH backwards or even just normal SH NIL on the side platforms on FoD at a rather wide range of heights. If the platforms are at max height, a backwards full hop will NIL, and then slightly below that will not be NIL possible, but then if it's like mid-height to a decent bit off the ground, Ganon can NIL both with just a normal SH and a backwards one. Pretty cool messing around on FoD led me to realize this.