Q&A How to Wreck *****es with Ganon?- Linguini Q&A Thread

[-ACE-]

I laughed at that too kage lmao. my phone is always saying hotbox Instead of hitbox.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

idk if i have character problems anymore, just player problems. some playstyles are so ****in hard to counter. ugh.

 

[X WaNtEd X]

idk if i have character problems anymore, just player problems. some playstyles are so ****in hard to counter. ugh.

i hope you're having fun playing with gravy

 

[WINK ;)]

How the **** do you waveland onto stage with Ganon? I end up not getting high enough... am I missing something?

 

[RedmanSSBM]

How the **** do you waveland onto stage with Ganon? I end up not getting high enough... am I missing something?

If you're talking about ledge-dashing I use away on the c-stick to let go of the ledge and then up on controlstick to double jump and angle the control stick toward the stage so just as I'm about to land, I airdodge and do a waveland.

 

[Coastward]

If you're talking about ledge-dashing I use away on the c-stick to let go of the ledge and then up on controlstick to double jump and angle the control stick toward the stage so just as I'm about to land, I airdodge and do a waveland.

the way you do it feels so awkward to me. you actually press up on the control stick instead of Y/X?

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

i do it the same way, coastward. your way sounds more complicated. ;b

How the **** do you waveland onto stage with Ganon? I end up not getting high enough... am I missing something?

it's a super precise input. i do it by letting off from the ledge with c stick and then instantly doing the waveland motion into the stage after jumping

if you're dying from it, don't feel bad. the best ganondorfs do it still every once in a blue moon because of how tough it can be at times.

i hope you're having fun playing with gravy

so much fun man. i wish you could see our matches sometime. you'd learn a thing or two. you should probably crouch cancel vs falcon more.

hey, so just out of curiosity, anyone know this ganondorf? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgWiUs6hM8M

 

[WINK ;)]

i do it the same way, coastward. your way sounds more complicated. ;b



it's a super precise input. i do it by letting off from the ledge with c stick and then instantly doing the waveland motion into the stage after jumping

if you're dying from it, don't feel bad. the best ganondorfs do it still every once in a blue moon because of how tough it can be at times.


so much fun man. i wish you could see our matches sometime. you'd learn a thing or two. you should probably crouch cancel vs falcon more.

hey, so just out of curiosity, anyone know this ganondorf? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgWiUs6hM8M

Alright, I am gonna try to use that technique! Thanks man!

 

[WINK ;)]

If you're talking about ledge-dashing I use away on the c-stick to let go of the ledge and then up on controlstick to double jump and angle the control stick toward the stage so just as I'm about to land, I airdodge and do a waveland.

I guess my problem was I was using the analog to input down > up > then airdodge on side of stage > death

 

[RedmanSSBM]

the way you do it feels so awkward to me. you actually press up on the control stick instead of Y/X?

Yup. That's how you get it to be frame-perfect and much easier to do. If I use Y or X I have to move my thumb from the c-stick to hit X or Y and I lose time/frames by doing that. I can use my other non-occupied thumb to do the jump, so it's instantaneous.

 

[Coastward]

i drop down with control stick, then jump with Y then waveland.

#yolo

 

[-ACE-]

I drop down with down, hit X while doing a haduken toward the stage, then R. Tipman used to recommend c-stick back in the day to prevent fastfalling but if you're quick with the jump you're in there.

 

[tm]

Hey @Divinokage , I'm in Weon-X's pool at super sweet. Any advice against him personally?

Also for everyone, what's the DK matchup like? I'm guessing something like this: Don't get baired or grabbed, hit his sweetspotting recovery with the reverse uair, grab ledge if he jukes to the ledge for a delayed sweetspot... bair a lot? Shield poke. Give me more

 

[-ACE-]

dair him... insta death. be ready for an instant up-b after you shield a bair, and never underestimate how well dk's up-b can gimp ganon. He can tech the tipman spike because of how big he is with simple ASDI. Most DK's dont even know that but be ready. chaingrab... There's no shame in it. and yes bair is always good haha.

 

[Coastward]

Hey @Divinokage , I'm in Weon-X's pool at super sweet. Any advice against him personally?

Also for everyone, what's the DK matchup like? I'm guessing something like this: Don't get baired or grabbed, hit his sweetspotting recovery with the reverse uair, grab ledge if he jukes to the ledge for a delayed sweetspot... bair a lot? Shield poke. Give me more

go watch their set at GOML, kage coulda definitely take the set off of him. gotta cheer on the EMG homie tho, but he's easy to edgeguard against so take advantage of that.

 

[PseudoTurtle]

DK is a fun matchup and it's slightly in ganon's favor I'd say. I have plenty of experience vs. DK because of Ripple. Definitely best DK in the midwest besides maybe strongbad.

You never have to approach because DK literally can't approach safely, like at all. DK shffl'd bairs are kind of a pain in the ass, but if he thinks just shffling bairs on your shield is a good idea, you can outright beat them or at least trade with a quick uair.

A good DK will go for the grab a lot because he can combo you to oblivion with his up throw, so make sure that you space fairs/bairs on shield perfectly, so as to avoid getting grabbed. When he does get the grab, just make sure to di behind and smash di behind on the uair... honestly there's not much you can do at that point besides going off stage where he can't follow up, but that's risky for obvious reasons.

Edge guarding is pretty easy. Dair wrecks him (thanks ACE), as does the EDDIE(!!!) spike, usually. I didn't know DK could tech that easily, but I haven't had problems with it. His recovery is really predictable too and you can gimp him really often with stupid ganon tricks like wavelanding off a platform to uair (usually will either win or trade) because he can't avoid it by going lower or pulling back because his recovery is so bad. So basically if he's there, just hit him.

Like you said, you can shield poke him pretty easily... same thing as Marth, just aim for the tip of his head and it'll poke right through.

Getting edge guarded by DK is a pain in the ass. He can just up b ganon repeatedly until he can grab ledge, like ACE said, it's a really good gimping tool against ganon.

And also, like ACE said, be ready for the up-b when he does a badly spaced bair on your shield. Your best option here would be to just roll or stay in shield and wavedash out after the up-b.

 

[RedmanSSBM]

What's the best way to counter a shield grab after landing a fair on someone's shield? I'm thinking it's jab.
What's the best way to cover a roll if your opponent rolls behind you after you fair their shield? I'm thinking ftilt, but I want to know if there's a better move that offers more follow-ups or is maybe safer. I know ftilt is really safe, but fsmash and side-b both offer really nice follow ups. And you can get even more janky by using up-b in the opposite direction to catch their roll, and if you miss, you just go to the top platform.

 

[-ACE-]

What's the best way to counter a shield grab after landing a fair on someone's shield? I'm thinking it's jab.
What's the best way to cover a roll if your opponent rolls behind you after you fair their shield? I'm thinking ftilt, but I want to know if there's a better move that offers more follow-ups or is maybe safer. I know ftilt is really safe, but fsmash and side-b both offer really nice follow ups. And you can get even more janky by using up-b in the opposite direction to catch their roll, and if you miss, you just go to the top platform.

In the first scenario, simply space the fair. If you know they will try to grab you, you can jab or grab their grab (because you spaced the fair and you're ready to approach the move you wanted to bait).

In the second one, ftilt is good on reaction, but pivot > dash > jcgrab is better.... but if you anticipate/read the roll, obv you'd want to dair. and if they are at really high% just up-B.

 

[Ripple]

DK beats Ganondorf. If I can go toe to toe with Kage, an actual DK player would beat him.

or at least make you believe me.
now hurry up and come over joe so I can smash you

 

[PseudoTurtle]

Sorry, rip I'm already drunk

I'm not doing **** tomorrow though if you're free

 

[Renth]

Ripple the next SuperSpright?

 

[X WaNtEd X]

some guy was trying to convince link beats ganon at a tourney recently. lol

 

[Renth]

some guy was trying to convince link beats ganon at a tourney recently. lol

It's even.

and in zelda games yes... he does fairly often

 

[-ACE-]

Ganon has so many near even matchups....

 

[PseudoTurtle]

I'd say Ganon-Link is is Ganon's favor only because he has the chain grab. Otherwise, yea, pretty much dead even.

 

[Coastward]

good luck to all the ganon homies reaching super sweet, i better see all of you in top 16.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

Ripple the next SuperSpright?

nahhhhh ripple is the homie. what did he say that was wrong? lol

also link is annoying as ****. young link is much easier.

 

[Renth]

nahhhhh ripple is the homie. what did he say that was wrong? lol

also link is annoying as ****. young link is much easier.

Oh he just sounded arrogant loooooool.

Basically come off as "lulz my dk is nothing special, lulz i did well vs. kage, lulz dk beats ganon cause lulz, lulz."

 

[PseudoTurtle]

Renth, what he said was true, I've seen it on stream- no arrogance there. And he definitely knows the ganon matchup as he plays me all the time... which is annoying as **** because I can't use any of my ganon shenanigans (shenaniganons?) on him.

It's hard to determine tone through walls of text lol.

And yo Ian, both link and young link are a complete pain in the ass to fight.

 

[-ACE-]

He might play the matchup better than kage does anyway. I'll never say dk beats ganon.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

dk ganondorf is even, but grab combos are brutal. don't get grabbed and you're good.

ripple we gotta play. i'm like the perfect ganondorf for you to play against lol

 

[Coastward]

Renth, what he said was true, I've seen it on stream- no arrogance there. And he definitely knows the ganon matchup as he plays me all the time... which is annoying as **** because I can't use any of my ganon shenanigans (shenaniganons?) on him.

It's hard to determine tone through walls of text lol.

And yo Ian, both link and young link are a complete pain in the *** to fight.

ganon vs ylink is so easy... link is the tougher MU. i've yet to play a link to take a set off of me.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

ganon vs ylink is so easy... link is the tougher MU. i've yet to play a link to take a set off of me.

come to orlando. we got like 3 links that are ready to camp you out ASAP

just call +1 800 GAY LINK (429 5465)

 

[-ACE-]

I'd like to know what makes you guys think Link is significantly harder than y. link.

Speed is everything. Y. link has an advantage in the neutral game vs ganon over link. Link has better tools but won't always get to use them as often as y. link will get to use his. its a toss up.... not enough y. link mains. I have a lot of experience against rhan (good sova ylink main) and a few matches with chu's ylink.

personally I think link is harder by a smidge but no one said anything about then being similar in difficulty and I wanted to get feedback

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

I'd like to know what makes you guys think Link is significantly harder than y. link.

Speed is everything. Y. link has an advantage in the neutral game vs ganon over link. Link has better tools but won't always get to use them as often as y. link will get to use his. its a toss up.... not enough y. link mains. I have a lot of experience against rhan (good sova ylink main) and a few matches with chu's ylink.

personally I think link is harder by a smidge but no one said anything about then being similar in difficulty and I wanted to get feedback

young link is easier to pressure, his projectiles are smaller, his recovery is worse, his dair has a chance of spiking instead of killing you (it's happened before). he's also easier to combo imo. big link has a weird weight. young link has a harder time edgeguarding ganondorf as well imo.

all of link's moves are more meaty than young links, including up b which ruins ganondorf's chance of recovering. if you get hit once with young link, generally you'd need to get hit a few more times for it to matter much. with link, i feel like his normals hurt a lot more. don't ask me about frame data or percents though, it's just a feeling lol

link's grab is also arguably better, and his tether recovery is objectively better.

i play against link and young link pretty often here in orlando. i wish i could link my matches with laijin from tipped off lol...mark saw them though. it wasn't pretty.

 

[RedmanSSBM]

ganon vs ylink is so easy... link is the tougher MU. i've yet to play a link to take a set off of me.

You haven't played SAUS yet?

 

[Renth]

yol...mark saw them though. it wasn't pretty.

Destruction.

I've also beaten everyone young link i've ever been against in tournament over the years. I chain grab the stupid kid.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

OH that too

cg vs young link is easier and goes on longer i think

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

But, YL might never let you get a grab. Not certain how feasible it might be.

 

[Renth]

But, YL might never let you get a grab. Not certain how feasible it might be.

Show me a young link i can't grab. I dair you.