Greninja Speculation Thread

[Sonicguy726]

Apparently I forgot Jigglypuff was Normal/Fairy... thought it went full fairy. Also forgot Lucario had a steel subtype.

and mega charizard X is dragon

 

[praline]

and mega charizard X is dragon

I barely count that since it's only an FS.

 

[UberPyro64]

But mario should have the most slots and it'll be 5 at most thus 5 pokemon

Electric, Fire, Flying, Water, Dark, Fighting, Steel, Normal, Fairy and Psychic. I got 10

EDIT: also dragon because of mega charizard X so 11

Yes that is what I was counting. 11 of the types would be represented. We'd only be missing Bug, Ghost, Grass, Ground, Ice, Poison and Rock.

 

[ToothiestAura]

Well, I don't think he can talk. But Anime lore changes things from the games. Though, as he is a Ninja, he would probably be pretty quiet.

 

[FlareHabanero]

If you listened to the fanbase, all newcomers are OP.
All of them.

Technically the only one that could be claimed that is Rosalina, and that's because of her playstyle being a puppeteer. Puppeteer characters in fighting games are traditionally high tier, due to their 2-in-1 style fighting being able to create very lethal combos and pressuring that wouldn't be possible solo. The only issues being maintenance and their high learning curve.

 

[Empyrean]

One word: transcendence.

If Greninja's moves don't out-prioritize every single other move there is in the game, then don't expect him to be MK 2.0. Even MK won't be as godly as he was in Brawl this time around (if indeed Sakurai has learned anything).

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I really don't think that Greninja will ever be as good as Brawl Meta Knight. It's larger in size, and doesn't have as many recovery options.

In fact, I don't think anyone will ever be like Brawl Meta Knight in any way.

 

[SmashBro99]

Not even close.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

Grounded Little Mac and his K.O. punch seem more like it.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Technically the only one that could be claimed that is Rosalina, and that's because of her playstyle being a puppeteer. Puppeteer characters in fighting games are traditionally high tier, due to their 2-in-1 style fighting being able to create very lethal combos and pressuring that wouldn't be possible solo. The only issues being maintenance and their high learning curve.

Pretty much this. Most fighters actually have to fight face-to-face to be able to get anywhere. With Rosalina, she doesn't necessarily have to fight directly to be a threat, thanks to her Luma partner.

Greninja may look impressive with its sneaky tactics, but they'll probably be far from reliable if the fighters can block/evade its counterattacks before they land.

 

[Jackson]

Greninja seems to be a glass cannon type of character.

 

[Spinosaurus]

I wouldn't be so quick on calling Rosalina OP either. Sure, puppeteers are normally good in fighting games, but these are traditional examples. Smash is far from traditional, and the limited movement that made puppeteers great in traditional fighters isn't there in Smash.

 

[Sonicguy726]

You mean that really easily avoidable one

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I wouldn't be so quick on calling Rosalina OP either. Sure, puppeteers are normally good in fighting games, but these are traditional examples. Smash is far from traditional, and the limited movement that made puppeteers great in traditional fighters isn't there in Smash.

Perhaps, but the Luma's involvement does mean that Rosalina is capable of messing up opponents without getting her hands dirty. She may not seem overpowered, but thanks to the Luma, most fighters may find it very hard to deal with Rosalina's battle options, especially if their approach options are very bad.

No one else has that kind of luxury, not even Greninja, but that's not to say that Rosalina won't have at least a few negative matchups.

 

[Spinosaurus]

It all boils down on how dependent Rosalina is on Luma. She might be completely defenseless without it, or she could hold on her own, but we'll see.

Well I'd say Greninja does have his own luxury in looking like he's gonna be a pure keepaway what with his range, projectile and teleport and how he doesn't seem good up close. Smash is one fighter that's missing its share of zoners, but Mega Man and Greninja will continue Snake's legacy.

 

[FlareHabanero]

No, the purpose of a puppeteer isn't having the puppet do all the hard work, the purpose of a puppeteer is to work in tandem with the puppet it controls.

Like for example, Zato-1 can't rely on Eddie to do all the work, and likewise Zato-1 can't fight on his own because it restricts him of his options. You've got to rely on both, with Eddie typically being used to eat through the opponents defenses and serves as a ranged attack, and Zato being the one punishing the opponent exposed by Eddie.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

It all boils down on how dependent Rosalina is on Luma. She might be completely defenseless without it, or she could hold on her own, but we'll see.

Considering that she's not like Olimar, Rosalina seems capable of holding her own without the Luma for some of her attacks, but again, it all comes down to how her battle plan works out in the end.

 

[Spinosaurus]

No, the purpose of a puppeteer isn't having the puppet do all the hard work, the purpose of a puppeteer is to work in tandem with the puppet it controls.

I didn't know how to word it properly, but that's pretty much what I meant. I don't exactly play a lot of fighters with puppeteers, so it's a fighting style I'm wholly unfamiliar with.

 

[liets]

maybe the occaisonal "-ja!" or just generic "ngh!"

 

[liets]

okay so in the reveal for Greninja, we saw this

which many expect is his final smash.
what do you guys think?
how powerful will it be?
what other effects could it have?
is that mario or luigi?!?!?!?!?
Smashboarders used discuss! It's super effective!

 

[greenluigiman2]

Black silhouettes, slashing, moon in background. I think it's Night Slash.

 

[Smaugfan]

I wouldn't be so quick on calling Rosalina OP either. Sure, puppeteers are normally good in fighting games, but these are traditional examples. Smash is far from traditional, and the limited movement that made puppeteers great in traditional fighters isn't there in Smash.

I wonder if it is possible to attack Luma like in the Ice Climbers and get rid of Luma much like you could on one of the ICs? The AI controlled the Nana though so we have to see just what is at the disposal of the actual controller.

I really don't think that Greninja will ever be as good as Brawl Meta Knight. It's larger in size, and doesn't have as many recovery options.

In fact, I don't think anyone will ever be like Brawl Meta Knight in any way.

if that "quick attack" recovery works like Pika's then you may have all you need combining it with the jumps. Not to mention that the teleport will help a lot as well. Just like it helped Zelda to grab a ledge.

 

[Jackson]

^Rosalina can spawn new Lumas.

 

[Xigger]

A tether with his tongue does seem plausible.

Tether is more than likely gone, given the fact that tether was never too reliable in the first place. Both confirmed tether recovery veterans Olimar and Zero Suit Samus have new recovery moves.

 

[Smaugfan]

^Rosalina can spawn new Lumas.

hmm....well that will be interesting.

 

[Jackson]

hmm....well that will be interesting.

Totally. It's definitely a big deal. Think of Popo being able to respawn Nana.

 

[Sonicguy726]

Tether is more than likely gone, given the fact that tether was never too reliable in the first place. Both confirmed tether recovery veterans Olimar and Zero Suit Samus have new recovery moves.

Well we don't know about link or samus yet maybe he was just talking about characters who's main method of recovery is tethering

 

[Smaugfan]

Totally. It's definitely a big deal. Think of Popo being able to respawn Nana.

if the Rosalina player sends out Luma, then perhaps Greninja players can teleport closer or behind and counter attack on Rosalina herself. Thus with a connected hits attack going on, the animation will maybe be holding up the Luma being recalled immediately.

 

[Glaciacott]

Dude, why are you guys talking about Rosalina? xD

Regarding Greninja, it's always possible he has options for approach and defense, but he may fall short when it comes to knocking out characters.

 

[Smaugfan]

Dude, why are you guys talking about Rosalina? xD

Regarding Greninja, it's always possible he has options for approach and defense, but he may fall short when it comes to knocking out characters.

I guess we were talking about how to counter her with Greninja. Maybe we should direct it to the match-ups speculation thread.

Though I am just loving that the sword attack can possibly be spammed, and maybe use it straight out of a dash.

 

[Jackson]

Dude, why are you guys talking about Rosalina? xD

Regarding Greninja, it's always possible he has options for approach and defense, but he may fall short when it comes to knocking out characters.

Lol, it was a heated debate over OP newcomers, which led to Rosalina.

 

[Glaciacott]

Black silhouettes, slashing, moon in background. I think it's Night Slash.

^ Thread won.

I personally hope there's a chance to harm other players as well as the poor soul you capture.

 

[Fastblade5035]

Its Ragnarok

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Night Slash seems about right, since it can't learn Close Combat, nor Extreme Speed anyway.

 

[BaPr]

Definitely night slash. It maybe works like the Captain Falcon FS where you hit a certain amount of people and it takes you away from the battle area to show you running over your opponents. Except, Greninja doesn't have his license, so he can't do that yet.

 

[FlareHabanero]

This Final Smash is probably going to receive some sort of unique name, despite it being based on the move Night Slash. I'd wager something like Cross Killing as a bit of a play on it's Japanese name つじぎり Crossroad Killing.

 

[Nippo]

That teleporting aerial rapid slash that Greninja and MvC3 Strider both have is some sort of cliche. Chipp from Guilty Gear has a very similar move as well.

 

[Glyphoscythe]

It looks more like some made up water type move than night slash.

 

[ToothiestAura]

Well we don't know about link or samus yet maybe he was just talking about characters who's main method of recovery is tethering

This. I'm sure it's still an option. However, he appears to have a water grab.

I would think he could walk cling too, given that (some) frogs can stick to surfaces.

Also, I think that the teleporting smokescreen move and substitute are the same move and can be done through different inputs.

 

[Sonicguy726]

This. I'm sure it's still an option. However, he appears to have a water grab.

I would think he could walk cling too, given that (some) frogs can stick to surfaces.

Also, I think that the teleporting smokescreen move and substitute are the same move and can be done through different inputs.

Well considering lucario can wall cling who is more of a martial artist, I'm sure greninja the ninja could