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I would think Skull Kid would be deconfirmed with the Moon being an assist trophy. I couldn't imagine another final smash for him to have that did not involve the Moon crashing the stage.
It has kinfda resulted in the opposite, actually. Why was Skull Kid not there summoning the moon? And we have still not seen his past assist. And his final smash could easily be one of Majora's many forms from it's final boss.
This i can see happening although it may not be the case. I think us trying to figure out who is tied to who is just nothing else but just speculation. Sakurai is going to do what he is going to do jeje. i.e Ridley was announced but no Dark Samus. Dark Samus was revealed along with Chrom.
He likely had the most lines out of any character in SMRPG. Sure, some of it was exposition, but still. He is basically the deuteragonist, and I think his abundance of lines is a result of Mario being silent.
I can't remember who said it, but someone on SOME board said what if he was the Luma that Rosalina carried around. I thought it was pretty interesting. I can definitely see a potential reveal trailer have something to do with Rosalina and Luma. It makes perfect sense. I think it would be an easy tie in. I think there is a lot of potential with that.
What if he is basically what Pit is to Palutena? I don't see him as a luma, I still think he is some sort of space spirit/Marioverse angel.
We should really get this theory out there. For so long people have been assuming it to be for Elma, but this just makes way to much sense. And it was well said, so good job!Hey all. I've been stalking these forums for a while, but I've only now decided to make an account to show my support for Geno in Smash, and to share a bit of speculation on my part, some bad, but some good.
After yesterday's Smash Direct, I felt incredibly uneasy about Geno's chances in Ultimate after seeing the number of tracks for Final Fantasy: a measly two. It left a sinking feeling in my gut, because if even Konami could be generous enough to let 3 fighters (and 1 assist trophy) in so far, along with 34 music tracks from Castlevania, the apparent stinginess of Squeenix with just Final Fantasy made my heart sink a bit.
However, I also recently learned of a silver lining after reading around a bit more today: the mecha figure that Sakurai bought in 2016.
In an interview with Denfaminicogamer in December of 2016, Sakurai stated that he had recently bought a figure to use as reference for a new project he was working on, and this figure in question is actually of a very old school mech known as Vifam (not a Gundam, as some people incorrectly stated). However, what really set off the alarm in my head was when it stated he was only using the rifle as a reference. As soon as I found out about this, my inner mecha fanboy was fired up, and the gears started to turn, and it clicked.
This has to be for Geno, and here's my theory why. Vifam is a very old school mecha show, from 1983. It's rifle is a beam rifle, which is a standard thing in mecha, but Vifam's rifle is much simpler and rounder than one from a show like Gundam or Layzner from the same era. It's my theory that Sakurai is using Vifam's rifle as a reference for his team to base and model the laser for the Geno Beam attack, as the in game sprites themselves aren't very detailed, and there's no official art of the Beam in question; off the top of my head, there's only about 5 pieces of official art related to Geno exist, and they're all of his weapons. Plus, the design of Vifam's rifle doesn't match up with the more machine gun looking arm cannon the Mii Gunner costume had.![]()
While some people say that he might be referencing the rifle for a character like something from Custom Robo or Elma from Xenoblade X, neither of these make much sense to me. For one, both characters have official art to reference if they were being modeled, and two, both of them use different styles of weapons to something like the rounder, old school beam rifle from Vifam: Custom Robo uses blockier, boxier weapons, and Elma uses more angular, sharper dual pistols.
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In addition, while the original Denfaminicogamer article didn't mention the project at all. I think there's pretty strong evidence it was related to Smash given the timing of the article. In a June 2018 interview article with Famitsu, Sakurai stated he put forth the first proposal for the game in December of 2015, and since the Denfaminicogamer interview was in December of 2016, I think it's within the realm of possibility that development of Smash Ultimate was already in full swing, and was probably still polishing out the roster.
Again, while yesterday's direct left me feeling a bit uneasy about Geno's chances due to the low FF Music, I feel a bit more confident in his inclusion as a playable character after I formulated my theory reading all of the above articles, and I'd figure it would be a good idea to share it with you all.
I'm gonna keep believing in him, with all my heart. Geno for Smash!
The barrel of the gun was always what made me believe it helped our argument over someone like Elma.Hey all. I've been stalking these forums for a while, but I've only now decided to make an account to show my support for Geno in Smash, and to share a bit of speculation on my part, some bad, but some good.
After yesterday's Smash Direct, I felt incredibly uneasy about Geno's chances in Ultimate after seeing the number of tracks for Final Fantasy: a measly two. It left a sinking feeling in my gut, because if even Konami could be generous enough to let 3 fighters (and 1 assist trophy) in so far, along with 34 music tracks from Castlevania, the apparent stinginess of Squeenix with just Final Fantasy made my heart sink a bit.
However, I also recently learned of a silver lining after reading around a bit more today: the mecha figure that Sakurai bought in 2016.
In an interview with Denfaminicogamer in December of 2016, Sakurai stated that he had recently bought a figure to use as reference for a new project he was working on, and this figure in question is actually of a very old school mech known as Vifam (not a Gundam, as some people incorrectly stated). However, what really set off the alarm in my head was when it stated he was only using the rifle as a reference. As soon as I found out about this, my inner mecha fanboy was fired up, and the gears started to turn, and it clicked.
This has to be for Geno, and here's my theory why. Vifam is a very old school mecha show, from 1983. It's rifle is a beam rifle, which is a standard thing in mecha, but Vifam's rifle is much simpler and rounder than one from a show like Gundam or Layzner from the same era. It's my theory that Sakurai is using Vifam's rifle as a reference for his team to base and model the laser for the Geno Beam attack, as the in game sprites themselves aren't very detailed, and there's no official art of the Beam in question; off the top of my head, there's only about 5 pieces of official art related to Geno exist, and they're all of his weapons. Plus, the design of Vifam's rifle doesn't match up with the more machine gun looking arm cannon the Mii Gunner costume had.![]()
While some people say that he might be referencing the rifle for a character like something from Custom Robo or Elma from Xenoblade X, neither of these make much sense to me. For one, both characters have official art to reference if they were being modeled, and two, both of them use different styles of weapons to something like the rounder, old school beam rifle from Vifam: Custom Robo uses blockier, boxier weapons, and Elma uses more angular, sharper dual pistols.
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In addition, while the original Denfaminicogamer article didn't mention the project at all. I think there's pretty strong evidence it was related to Smash given the timing of the article. In a June 2018 interview article with Famitsu, Sakurai stated he put forth the first proposal for the game in December of 2015, and since the Denfaminicogamer interview was in December of 2016, I think it's within the realm of possibility that development of Smash Ultimate was already in full swing, and was probably still polishing out the roster.
Again, while yesterday's direct left me feeling a bit uneasy about Geno's chances due to the low FF Music, I feel a bit more confident in his inclusion as a playable character after I formulated my theory reading all of the above articles, and I'd figure it would be a good idea to share it with you all.
I'm gonna keep believing in him, with all my heart. Geno for Smash!
You can see Vifam fire it's beam rifle at around 1:05 in the opening here. It's got a bit of kick to it, which reminds me of the recoil on the Geno Beam (you can see him get pushed back a bit in the animation).
I would not be mad, and it is certainly possible. I would be glad he was there, and like you, I would play him for fun rather than competitively.
I’m the same way. I’m not a competitive player, so I can always just play for fun. Honestly, him being in is more important than him being a good character to play as. It’s the message of him being included is more important than my wants.
I actually never looked into the mech toy rifle. I didn't know much about it, and I felt there were other characters it could fit. But
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good find and analysis on it! I can't say it's surefire evidence, but it definitely can't hurt.
He never had a beam. His AT more so had a burst fire of green arrow like lasers. Nothing like a beam though. His cannon is also nothing like the figure's rifle in question. The best way I can describe it is if you took the Black Box rocket launcher in Team Fortress 2 and put it as your arm canon.
I’m the same way. I’m not a competitive player, so I can always just play for fun. Honestly, him being in is more important than him being a good character to play as. It’s the message of him being included is more important than my wants.
I actually never looked into the mech toy rifle. I didn't know much about it, and I felt there were other characters it could fit. But
EDIT: Okay, now I'm curious. I watched a bit of Elma's gameplay. The guns she used fire bullets. Can anyone confirm whether or not she uses guns that shoot beams like the character in that anime? It would make sense that Sakurai could find artwork based on Elma, or even use her model from the game since it's already a 3D model. But this actually has my gears turning.
Also, I never played Custom Robo, but I remember Ray's AT shooting missiles and such. Did he have any beam rifles either? I'm trying to think what other characters this could be for, and I can't imagine he'd be using it for a different game.
I guess the thing to think about too is all of these other characters have 3D models already, Geno never had that. So I can definitely see him wanting a reference. I know they just released the rage blaster as an item, but it doesn't really look like that mech. It's a really interesting theory that actually sold me on it. I mean I have my doubts, but I can certainly buy that it may not be for an Elma or a Custom Robo. I can't see him using it for a different game. I mean I'd think he must have been pretty busy with Smash over the past 2 years to have another project. The biggest thing to me though is why would he want this mech to use as a reference? The only thing I can think of is if it's because there isn't an existing model of a character that he wanted to use it for. Again, nice work on the analysis. It definitely makes you think.ngl, my area of expertise on Xenoblade X and Custom Robo is a bit low, but for Elma, there's a lot of ranged arts shared between characters, and her two signature arts don't seem to evoke the beam rifle from Vifam.
Plus, adding on to the post from SSGuy above me, most of the rifles that Ray has had throughout Custom Robo are a bit too different from Vifam; later versions of Ray have super angular, jagged rifles.
Sakurai is kind of a big nerd. He's got quite the collection of figures, and while most of them are actually of space ships from shooting games, he does seem to appreciate the occasional mecha. Vifam came out in 1983, and by that time he would've been 13, so I don't think it's much of a stretch to say he's a fan of things like that (plus the 80s were loaded with mecha shows, after the success of Gundam in 1979), so maybe getting the Vifam figure just lined up.
I never knew this about Sakurai. That's pretty cool, and heck, might explain why he is attracted to Geno's gun arm specifically. He might be recalling those mecha shows he knew as a teen and would love to get some of that love into Smash Bros. Admitably, if you were to list off Geno's arsenal without saying anything about his size or being made of wood, it would sound like the equipment of a mecha.Sakurai is kind of a big nerd. He's got quite the collection of figures, and while most of them are actually of space ships from shooting games, he does seem to appreciate the occasional mecha. Vifam came out in 1983, and by that time he would've been 13, so I don't think it's much of a stretch to say he's a fan of things like that (plus the 80s were loaded with mecha shows, after the success of Gundam in 1979), so maybe getting the Vifam figure just lined up.
But again, this is all just speculation.
EDIT: The above figures are part of Sakurai's collection. Most of the ships are from the super cool Shooting Game Historica line.
What's the one at the bottom left? Looks like a Pooka from Dig Dug.Sakurai is kind of a big nerd. He's got quite the collection of figures, and while most of them are actually of space ships from shooting games, he does seem to appreciate the occasional mecha. Vifam came out in 1983, and by that time he would've been 13, so I don't think it's much of a stretch to say he's a fan of things like that (plus the 80s were loaded with mecha shows, after the success of Gundam in 1979), so maybe getting the Vifam figure just lined up.
But again, this is all just speculation.
EDIT: The above figures are part of Sakurai's collection. Most of the ships are from the super cool Shooting Game Historica line.![]()
Actually, I think it's from an old Sega game.
Geno is definitely in after yesterday's Direct. They only showed FF having two songs because they aren't ready to show off all the new Square Enix stuff they're putting in the game.
That is a possibility. If that is not the case, I don't see another FF character except possibly a Cloud echo.
Thank you... finally someone put a positive spin on the FF music situation. That is a totally logical reason why they only have two. It very well could be they want to spend a direct to talk about Square.
I agree that we won’t get another FF character, but we could get an assist trophy or item. They absolutely might want to put save that and announce it all together.
Dude, that is the most convincing argument for the mecha figure being used for Geno that I have ever seen. Just, well done. Seriously. That rifle literally looks exactly like what a 3D modeled Geno Beam cannon would look like. It and Vifam are more cartoonish than realistic in style, which is clearly the direction one would go with Geno's style of weapons. I can see Sakurai thinking of that show he had seen as a kid when considering how to approach Geno's design. It all seems to fit.Hey all. I've been stalking these forums for a while, but I've only now decided to make an account to show my support for Geno in Smash, and to share a bit of speculation on my part, some bad, but some good.
After yesterday's Smash Direct, I felt incredibly uneasy about Geno's chances in Ultimate after seeing the number of tracks for Final Fantasy: a measly two. It left a sinking feeling in my gut, because if even Konami could be generous enough to let 3 fighters (and 1 assist trophy) in so far, along with 34 music tracks from Castlevania, the apparent stinginess of Squeenix with just Final Fantasy made my heart sink a bit.
However, I also recently learned of a silver lining after reading around a bit more today: the mecha figure that Sakurai bought in 2016.
In an interview with Denfaminicogamer in December of 2016, Sakurai stated that he had recently bought a figure to use as reference for a new project he was working on, and this figure in question is actually of a very old school mech known as Vifam (not a Gundam, as some people incorrectly stated). However, what really set off the alarm in my head was when it stated he was only using the rifle as a reference. As soon as I found out about this, my inner mecha fanboy was fired up, and the gears started to turn, and it clicked.
This has to be for Geno, and here's my theory why. Vifam is a very old school mecha show, from 1983. It's rifle is a beam rifle, which is a standard thing in mecha, but Vifam's rifle is much simpler and rounder than one from a show like Gundam or Layzner from the same era. It's my theory that Sakurai is using Vifam's rifle as a reference for his team to base and model the laser for the Geno Beam attack, as the in game sprites themselves aren't very detailed, and there's no official art of the Beam in question; off the top of my head, there's only about 5 pieces of official art related to Geno that exist, and they're all of his weapons. Plus, the design of Vifam's rifle doesn't match up with the more machine gun looking arm cannon the Mii Gunner costume had.
While some people say that he might be referencing the rifle for a character like something from Custom Robo or Elma from Xenoblade X, neither of these make much sense to me. For one, both characters have official art to reference if they were being modeled, and two, both of them use different styles of weapons compared to something like the rounder, old school beam rifle from Vifam: Custom Robo uses blockier, boxier weapons, and Elma uses more angular, sharper dual pistols.
![]()
In addition, while the original Denfaminicogamer article didn't mention the project at all. I think there's pretty strong evidence it was related to Smash given the timing of the article. In a June 2018 interview article with Famitsu, Sakurai stated he put forth the first proposal for the game in December of 2015, and since the Denfaminicogamer interview was in December of 2016, I think it's within the realm of possibility that development of Smash Ultimate was already in full swing, and was probably still polishing out the roster.
Again, while yesterday's direct left me feeling a bit uneasy about Geno's chances due to the low FF Music, I feel a bit more confident in his inclusion as a playable character after I formulated my theory reading all of the above articles, and I'd figure it would be a good idea to share it with you all.
I'm gonna keep believing in him, with all my heart. Geno for Smash!
I actually went through the very same thing with Shulk. He was my most wanted, then I found out I sucked with him. But his moveset was just so cool, I decided to stick with him. After quite a while, I finally got good with him, lol.
Yeah, I don't see why he would need the figure for the movement. Plus, the way Sakurai worded his reason for getting the mecha does not seem to fit that idea from what I recall.
Here's the thing that people forget about Sora: he's technically not a Square Enix character, but a Disney one. So Nintendo would have to ask them, which I think is kind of innapropriate since Nintendo is still partnered with Universal for the theme park thing, last I checked. Plus Disney rights are probably even more expensive than whatever Square Enix is charging for Cloud...
I don't think that's a really great argument, because Vifam isn't usually on the ground, but flying through space. Plus there's plenty of pre existing animations from Splatoon for all the different weapons, and there's not alot of realism with how Inklings move with their rifles, since they have no bones and are kinda noodly; they move alot smoother than a robot.
This is what I've been thinking of ever since the Direct.
I think in all of the discussion we have had about the hoops you would have to go through to get Sora, I don't recall us ever discussing the Universal partnership. Kinda seems obvious in hindsight, but it would be more than awkward to try and ask for Sora after Nintendo made deals with Universal. Not that Universal controls Nintendo, but it certainly does not help Sora.
