Ganondorf's Custom Moves

[DJ Dong]

It's very doubtful that we'll be allowed to customize stats. It's utterly mundane considering everyone would rather have speed of attacks boosted. Custom moves seem likely at this point, after watching streams.

Personally I'm not seeing anything useful in the side and downspecial. The warlock punc may be best in the faster version if it does retain super armor. The first and second upspecials might be good but we'll see.

 

[Daeyrat]

I'm personally fond of:
1 - Sword Warlock. Armor to counter some slow moves + Good range to keep a safe distance. Excels at FFAs.
2 - Regular or Power Flame Choke. The first one is good for its range, but the second one's KO power and positioning is awesome and needed.
3 - Diagonal Dive seems usable against some projectile users. For FFAs, the Powered version seems better.
4 - Non-grab Up B seems strong. Makes people respect his recovery a bit more. Double dive seems good to use it as an actual battlefield attack. Shorter initial distance makes it less punishable.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Holy ****

Ganondorf gone from lowest tier

From what im seeing almost the top tier

 

[ten Busch]

Holy ****

Ganondorf gone from lowest tier

From what im seeing almost the top tier

back to where he belongs

 

[Supreme Dirt]

let's be real, he's probably mid tier at best. with most projectiles being nerfed across the board, it looks like we'll have a much easier time in this game.

 

[MajorNyberg]

The thing that bothers me here is why did not Nintendo make some of his more unique custom attacks his originals instead, and putting his falcon clone ones as customizables instead, for the peoples that liked playing as the old Falcondorf?

I really don't understand game developers sometimes..

 

[Yoshi Kirishima]

The thing that bothers me here is why did not Nintendo make some of his more unique custom attacks his originals instead, and putting his falcon clone ones as customizables instead, for the peoples that liked playing as the old Falcondorf?

I really don't understand game developers sometimes..

Because then he wouldn't have 2 customizable variations per B move, they would just be different moves, which would be weird, and people who like the new ganondorf would be sad they don't have 2 customizable variations per B move, and the ones who like falcondorf would be sad they don't have 2 customizable variations per B move

 

[MajorNyberg]

Because then he wouldn't have 2 customizable variations per B move, they would just be different moves, which would be weird, and people who like the new ganondorf would be sad they don't have 2 customizable variations per B move, and the ones who like falcondorf would be sad they don't have 2 customizable variations per B move

Why wouldn't there be two customizable moves? They are still the same variations, just in different places ----> Orgianl B to Custom Falcon B or Custom other B.

 

[Ragna22]

One custom move I think he's required to have is his forward special properties from Melee which was pretty much Falcon's, I could see that having decent combo potential with Smash 4's physics.

 

[Daeyrat]

Anyone got this custom warlock yet?
http://i.imgur.com/H7UxwXl.png

 

[Ffamran]

Anyone got this custom warlock yet?
http://i.imgur.com/H7UxwXl.png

Shotgun Punch? I can't tell if he's shooting a wave of energy or it's the effects of the attack hitting. Nothing on the wiki yet...

 

[Forlorn Penguin]

Shotgun Punch

I like it.

 

[Whiteface]

Anyone got this custom warlock yet?
http://i.imgur.com/H7UxwXl.png

Looks mean. Any idea of the startup time etc?

 

[Hydde]

Looks cool. lets hope it is any good

 

[JaidynReiman]

Well, at least they mixed magic and sword into his customs, maybe Ganondorf will be decent here. At the very least, although he's still Ganondorf, his standard moveset is faster so he's no longer bottom tier, and Ganondorf is much better overall than in Brawl.

 

[Xinc]

He's looking good, especially in the custom moves. He might still suffer from the same problems he had previously, but these moves give him a bit more speed, which is wonderful.

 

[Big_Slim]

Someone please post a video of shotgun punch. I will love you forever.

 

[Daeyrat]

http://www.twitch.tv/ninjalink/b/570629286
complementary showcase of ganon's custom moves
Shotgun punch is a faster warlock. No armor. The energy area may be bigger. Check 13min40s

 

[Sykkamorre]

Huh... may actually use the Warlock Shotgun. I wonder how much pushback you get on block.

 

[Daeyrat]

Supposedly in-game text for Ganon's Defaults/Customs:

Warlock Punch Channel dark energy into a devastating punch. Difficult to interrupt.
Warlock Blade Draw a sword and thrust it forward. The blade's tip deals the most damage.
Warlock Thrust A faster, explosive Warlock Punch. Make sure your fist hits home for max damage.

Flame Choke Rush forward to grab an enemy. Grabbed enemies will be thrown straight down.
Flame Wave Dash forward to grab an enemy and blast them into the air into other enemies.
Flame Chain Dash forward and strike enemies repeatedly rather than grab them.

Dark Dive Jump up and grab an enemy, and then shock and launch them.
Dark Fists Punch opponents into the air, and then hit them in midair to send them higher.
Dark Vault Jump extra high, but you can only grab at the beginning or end of the attack.

Wizard's Foot A magic kick that flies straight when on the ground and diagonally down when airborne.
Wizard's Dropkick Jump low into the air before doing the flying kick.
Wizard's Assault A faster flying kick that goes through foes. In the air, the kick goes straight down.

source: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=c2xywrva

so...ganon has a wave dash, huh?

 

[Ryu Myuutsu]

Just for the sake of politically correctness, let me provide the actual names of some of his customs based on the footage provided by Ninja Link.

His second Neutral B is called Demon Sword (間陣剣).
His third Neutral B, "Warlock Shotgun", is called Demon Fist (まじんけん).
Both of this moves are pronounced Majin Ken in japanese, but ken can mean fist or sword depending on the kanji. They may end up being called Warlock Sword and Warlock Fist in the localization.

His second Side B is called Flame Prison Wave (炎獄波, えんごくは)

His third Up B is called Leaping Lightning Palm (跳躍雷神しょう) or something like that. His regular Up B is called Lightning Palm in japanese, so this would be called Jumping Dark Dive maybe? In the video above, Ganny makes a double jump after using it.

His third Down B is called Raid Kick (急襲脚、きゅうしゅうきゃく).

That's all I got for now. Kanji can be a pain to read sometimes but this are the translations of the names; they'll probably differ in the English version as I mentioned before.

Edit: Oh great, I got Greninja'd.

 

[NinjaLink]

I have uploaded footage for all of Ganondorf's custom moves. Hope it helps guys

 

[Sykkamorre]

After playing Hyrule Warriors, I'm wondering if Ganondorf's exploding warlock punch is a nod to his YYYY X Combo attack.

It's probably not... but still.

 

[Daeyrat]

Ganon's viability for 1x1 just increased for me after NinjaLink's video.
The extra mobility,range and priority give him a bit of what he needs to help mask his weaknesses

 

[HeavyLobster]

Ganon's viability for 1x1 just increased for me after NinjaLink's video.
The extra mobility,range and priority give him a bit of what he needs to help mask his weaknesses

I believe this thread basically sums up what we're seeing in this instance. Custom moves really were a brilliant idea that help to better balance the game and give characters more options to deal with their bad MUs that don't require picking Meta Knight.

 

[Ffamran]

After playing Hyrule Warriors, I'm wondering if Ganondorf's exploding warlock punch is a nod to his YYYY X Combo attack.

It's probably not... but still.

I know his Charge move is based on his drop-fist move in Ocarina of Time and his Focus Meter? finisher or whatever where he uses both fist to do a hammer-drop is probably based on that too.

I don't know where that move comes from, but it might reference Dead Man's Volley which is another charge attack finisher for Ganondorf except it launches one energy ball instead of multiple ones. When Ganondorf summons the giant ball of energy, it reminds me of Goku's Spirit Ball. Maybe it's another reference to that as well considering Ganondorf's luscious, glorious, and magnificent mane that resembles Super Saiyan 3's hair, but considering Ganondorf's bulky, he's probably more of a Legendary Super Saiyan 3 like Broly's non-canon transformation in one of the games.

 

[Hydde]

Wow some of his moves look that will be useful

Loved the shotgun punch!!!

The UpB with a exploding wav at the beggining looks very sueful

His best warlock kick seems to be the Blue one. This one in combination with his electric UpB will help him recover from long distances, which is one of ganons weakness.

His electric up B goes HIGH!!! man he can recover from the bottom part of final destination.

His nongrabby darck choke seems pretty bad, it cannot even go thru a mario fireball.

His dark choke which sends flying looks badass but i dont know if it will more useful than the default one, since that one sets up peeps by slamming them to the floor.

Looks promising!! What you think guys?

 

[Sykkamorre]

I know his Charge move is based on his drop-fist move in Ocarina of Time and his Focus Meter? finisher or whatever where he uses both fist to do a hammer-drop is probably based on that too.

I don't know where that move comes from, but it might reference Dead Man's Volley which is another charge attack finisher for Ganondorf except it launches one energy ball instead of multiple ones. When Ganondorf summons the giant ball of energy, it reminds me of Goku's Spirit Ball. Maybe it's another reference to that as well considering Ganondorf's luscious, glorious, and magnificent mane that resembles Super Saiyan 3's hair, but considering Ganondorf's bulky, he's probably more of a Legendardy Super Saiyan 3 like Broly's non-canon transformation in one of the games.

..How did I not see?

Ganondorf = Broly.

 

[Knight Dude]

I got to say, Ganon's Custom moves look great. I'm liking the Sword Stab and Uppercut. I might keep his normal command grab though. That seems to be the best one. And I'm liking the Blue Dive Kick alot, though I'm not sure what else to call it until I see it's official name.

 

[Morbi]

Ganondorf is the only character that I will issue multiple pre-set specials. Most of them seem fairly helpful depending on what build you intend to make. I will probably have a pure recovery Ganon, a pure damage Ganon, a default Ganon, a set 2 Ganon, a set 3 Ganon, and an amalgamation of my favorite moves Ganon.

I watched all of NinjaLink's videos on custom moves and Ganondorf is the character that I am most impressed with. In the case of most other characters, it is immediately apparent that a certain custom will assert its dominance within their move-set; however, with Ganon, that is not as apparent. Most of them have their uses!

 

[cptnOlimar]

Do you guys think the Neutral Special 2 (the sword) or the Neutral Special 3 (faster punch) is better? I can't decide they both look great.

 

[Shogger]

Do you guys think the Neutral Special 2 (the sword) or the Neutral Special 3 (faster punch) is better? I can't decide they both look great.

I'm having a hard time seeing a use for the fast punch. It doesn't have armor, and you can get more damage with a smash attack at a similar speed. The sword lets him do something new (spacing games).

 

[Ray_Kalm]

The sword is definitely better. Super armour, long range and it even kills. It's a brilliantly good move.

 

[mangamusicfan]

I like his normal setup a lot more then the custom set ups.

 

[Daeyrat]

Blue wizkick is THE answer. Tested it. Can be used to jump over fireballs. Has low ground recovery. Can be used as combo starter. Excellent tool to help ganon get back to stage. Can crossup, becoming safer.
Couldn't find any use to Shotgun Punch

 

[Shogger]

Blue wizkick is THE answer. Tested it. Can be used to jump over fireballs. Has low ground recovery. Can be used as combo starter. Excellent tool to help ganon get back to stage. Can crossup, becoming safer.
Couldn't find any use to Shotgun Punch

Man I was SO happy to see how awesome blue Wizkick was when I first used it. So much utility.

 

[KeithTheGeek]

I finally got all of the custom moves I wanted for Ganon this morning. Playing around with them, I'm definitely happy with the way he turned out in this game. It would be a travesty if tournaments don't allow custom movesets in them, if only because this is some of the most fun I've had with Ganon ever.

I personally go straight 2s, with the exception of keeping the default Flame Choke. Dark Fists hits ridiculously hard and actually has super armor on it, blue wizkick is just amazing for everything and has almost no cool down, and the sword is just...the sword. That range is really useful to have and it's still reasonably powerful. Definitely a contender for my main right here.

 

[meleebrawler]

The game says Dark Vault (Up B custom 3) goes higher... it did seem like NinjaLink
could recover from quite low with it.

 

[Daeyrat]

it goes, but you might get more benefits from the Armored one because of its combination of strength, armor and speed. Blue wiz helps enough with recovery. Trust me.

 

[ValkoreTheUnlcean]

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   So do I. Warlock Punch will always be a PUNCH, end of story.

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