Ganondorf

[Steelia]

Still image if anyone wants, that's definitely Ganondorf. Woops Nintendo

First the Mario Kart 8 DLC, now this? It's like Nintendo's trying to outleak the leakers.

 

[Crome]

Still image if anyone wants, that's definitely Ganondorf. Woops Nintendo

Looks like we have Falcon-dorf back.

 

[AugsEU]

They don't have to give reveal trailers for each newcomer. Did R.O.B. get a trailer?

 

[Crome]

They don't have to give reveal trailers for each newcomer. Did R.O.B. get a trailer?

He did not. Not sure if rhetorical or not.

 

[AugsEU]

My point is that not all the newcomers will have trailers. There doesn't have to be one for Bowser Jr, nor one for Duck Hunt dog. I don't think we will get any more character reveal trailers.

 

[Brother AJ]

How late in development would a game have to be in order for ESRB to be rating it?

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Looks like we have Falcon-dorf back.

We knew that from the leaked Shulk video already though.

They don't have to give reveal trailers for each newcomer. Did R.O.B. get a trailer?

R.O.B is neither a newcomer nor is he confirmed. Brawl didn't have trailers for its newcomers, they were just randomly added on the Dojo.

 

[Crome]

How late in development would a game have to be in order for ESRB to be rating it?

I'd assume most of it would be done. Of course fluff could be added after the initial rating.

Brawl didn't have trailers for its newcomers, they were just randomly added on the Dojo.

e3 2006

 

[IAm2Sarcastic4U]

Looks like we have Falcon-dorf back.

*dislikes*

 

[Brother AJ]

Well, I don't know what to say. I'll still play Ganon of course, but this will always leave a bad taste in my mouth. There's no reason for this, none. He shouldn't of even been in Melee if this was to be his fate.

On the brighter side though, we DO have custom move-sets this time around! Maybe this will finally be the chance to make him more unique! A-moves aside of course. I really hope they just changed that freaking up-tilt... please let it be so.

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

I want Falcondorf's up-tilt changed. Have you guys seen Project M's? That one's so brutal and satisfying to hit with.

Also Falcondorf still has a chance to be more Ganondorf-like via custom specials a la Palutena.

If Sakurai doesn't go along with it, then Sakurai officially doesn't think having a canonical Ganondorf matters, AND WE SHOULD MOVE ON FROM THAT. It's been 3 games in a row, and If Sakurai still doesn't care then he never will. We should accept that and move on.

Yes, it's unfair that he got the short end of the stick. I still resent that he ever included Ganondorf in Melee to begin with--I suspect that if he left him out of that, then he'd be an awesome, true-to-source-material Ganondorf in Brawl.

But it was not meant to be.

We have no choice but to stop crying about it, since our words are just gonna fall on deaf ears anyway.

 

[JabbatheHutt]

He wasn't revealed before Brawl or Melee. I don't think he is going to get revealed, if he were, it would be along side someone else. But I imagine those cut-scenes take a while to make, with only 15 days left to the Japan release it seems like Shulk is their last reveal trailer.

thing is the Shulk Trailer was prolly the weakest one by far, not just because of the leak just it wasnt as entertaining

I think they need something bigger, to finish it all up.

 

[RCyclone]

I want Falcondorf's up-tilt changed. Have you guys seen Project M's? That one's so brutal and satisfying to hit with.

Also Falcondorf still has a chance to be more Ganondorf-like via custom specials a la Palutena.

If Sakurai doesn't go along with it, then Sakurai officially doesn't think having a canonical Ganondorf matters, AND WE SHOULD MOVE ON FROM THAT. It's been 3 games in a row, and If Sakurai still doesn't care then he never will. We should accept that and move on.

Yes, it's unfair that he got the short end of the stick. I still resent that he ever included Ganondorf in Melee to begin with--I suspect that if he left him out of that, then he'd be an awesome, true-to-source-material Ganondorf in Brawl.

But it was not meant to be.

We have no choice but to stop crying about it, since our words are just gonna fall on deaf ears anyway.

I agree and it's true, we'll need to just move on and give feedback on Ganondorf to Nintendo and see if they'll consider to do something for the next new smash bros after this one, if we even get that, next time around.

I really hope his U tilt changed, since it breaks the convention of what a U tilt is supposed to do and hopefully his Special are different.

 

[Xzsmmc]

Rewatching Ganondorf's Hyrule Warriors trailer is so depressing now.

 

[Hydde]

Brawl didn't have trailers for its newcomers, they were just randomly added on the Dojo.

Sonic had a superb trailer that hyped me beyond limits. Just saying.


Well cotinuing with ganondorf. Lets hope he will at least change his Nair and his uptilt.

Please Sakurai... change something!.

It will be beyond cruel if he is a copy paste from brawl with better hitboxes.

It will be EVEN MORE CRUEL...if his alternate moves...are purpleish versions of Cfalcon moves.

I can literally cry in a corner if i see that

 

[Spinosaurus]

Something interesting here.

Remember what Sakurai said about mirrored characters? How characters are mirrored now unless they have something where handedness is important like boxing (for Mac) or..a weapon. Notice how Ganondorf isn't mirrored

Unless he's not mirrored because of his sword taunt which counts in all fairness lol.

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

Rewatching Ganondorf's Hyrule Warriors trailer is so depressing now.

I feel you brother.

But we must put in in the past.

 

[RCyclone]

Rewatching Ganondorf's Hyrule Warriors trailer is so depressing now.

Agreed... Sigh

 

[JabbatheHutt]

Ganon I'm betting money will be different

That esrb video is still a beta

 

[Morbi]

At the very least, it appears as though he has darkness effects on his up-smash and his down-smash. It might not be the change that everyone was looking for; however, the subtle variations are appreciated.

Ganon I'm betting money will be different

That esrb video is still a beta

Precisely, compare Shulk's game-play in the ESRB video to the trailer, everything was vastly improved. I have no doubt that the darkness effects are just the tip of the iceberg. Albeit, I still highly doubt the whole "replace his whole move-set" mentality as well.

 

[Khao]

Something interesting here.

Remember what Sakurai said about mirrored characters? How characters are mirrored now unless they have something where handedness is important like boxing (for Mac) or..a weapon. Notice how Ganondorf isn't mirrored

Unless he's not mirrored because of his sword taunt which counts in all fairness lol.

It could be because of the Warlock Punch and how you can turn around in the middle of it's animation, the same probably goes for Falcon.

If he had the mirroring feature, he'd have to suddenly switch hands, and since that hand is "charging" the attack, it'd both look and feel awkward as ****.

 

[Spinosaurus]

It could be because of the Warlock Punch and how you can turn around in the middle of it's animation, the same probably goes for Falcon.

If he had the mirroring feature, he'd have to suddenly switch hands, and since that hand is "charging" the attack, it'd both look and feel awkward as ****.

Ah crap good point. Totally forgot about that feature. :V

Welp.

 

[Link Sharingan]

At the very least, it appears as though he has darkness effects on his up-smash and his down-smash. It might not be the change that everyone was looking for; however, the subtle variations are appreciated.


Precisely, compare Shulk's game-play in the ESRB video to the trailer, everything was vastly improved. I have no doubt that the darkness effects are just the tip of the iceberg. Albeit, I still highly doubt the whole "replace his whole move-set" mentality as well.

isn't the Shulk's ESRB gameplay in the video based on the 3DS version? because the reveal trailer was based on Wii U gameplay.

 

[Erimir]

It looks like the same thing, except, you know, not controlled by a Lvl 1 CPU. He looked like crap in the 3DS leak video because he was played by a crappy computer. None of the characters looked that great in the footage.

 

[Ffamran]

Evil always shows up unexpected. It's in the Villain's Handbook.

I still wished Ganondorf was more like Twilight Princess, epic swordsman Ganondorf or Ocarina of Time, evil magician Ganondorf. Hyrule Warriors, savage Ganondorf would just cause everyone to explode from sheer awesomeness so it was likely he wouldn't appear since it would mean the epic death of SSB fans. Hopefully Toon Ganon shows up one day in SSB, whichever SSB, that is.

 

[Gameboi834]

just it wasnt as entertaining

I loved the Bowser bit.

 

[StaffofSmashing]

My point is that not all the newcomers will have trailers. There doesn't have to be one for Bowser Jr, nor one for Duck Hunt dog. I don't think we will get any more character reveal trailers.

If Ridley's in the game, he's friggin' getting a trailer.
Also, Falcon Punch me now because I WANTED DORF TO HAVE HYRULE WARRIORS SWORD-MAGIC!!!!!!
See what I did there, Falcon Punch, Ganonorf clone... You get it.

 

[JabbatheHutt]

I loved the Bowser bit.

Eh there's a lot more that could've been done.
Instead of link it could've been meta knight. They use the same characters constantly

And it could've worked In a veteran

 

[Hexaped]

If one of Ganondorf's standard attacks changed, and it was not the up tilt, what move would you choose? What would be the new animation? I would change the down aerial. The new animation would show Ganondorf using his flight to perhaps swerve into enemies with his fists. It could resemble the curves which gliding characters perform.

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

If one of Ganondorf's standard attacks changed, and it was not the up tilt, what move would you choose? What would be the new animation? I would change the down aerial. The new animation would show Ganondorf using his flight to perhaps swerve into enemies with his fists. It could resemble the curves which gliding characters perform.

Change the jab from a one-and-done punch to a one-and-done backhand instead.

Fits him more, and the hitbox itself doesn't need a whole lot of changing to accommodate the new attack.

 

[Johnknight1]

It's too bad Falcondorf isn't cut and Blood Falcon isn't his replacement, because that means we don't get to play as Ganondorf...

 

[Petrichor]

Assuming that we really are stuck with Falcondorf again, I'm hoping that Sakurai will use customisable movesets to test the waters with new moves. If Falcondorf was the default and had more Ganondorf-y moves for his customs, then Sakurai could use feedback from players to build the best possible Ganondorf for Smash 5. The same could possibly be true for Toon Link. It would also be a way of having both Ganondorf and Falcondorf to please fans of the latter if Sakurai didn't want to put Falcondorf's moveset on another character.

I'm not saying that this will happen, but it's something that could happen and I hope it does.

 

[Hydde]

I think that maybe this cycle will never change. Why?. Simple.
The first time... he had no time to adapt ganondorf like he wanted because of time constraints.

AFter that, every single smash will always have NEW complex characters that will be priority to get done. SInce Ganondorf will never add that "Surprise" effect on anyone anymore... Sakurai just focus in delivering new Content as much as possible. AFter that, then he pays attention to clones etc. Exception to the rules are characters that he love like PIT, or maybe Bowser and ZSS got lucky because they were one of the first things they did when developing SB4. Then they tackled the newcomers and all the content....and when he realized...he was already short on time to create a Ganon from scratch...and since he loves falcondorf anyways.. he said like "well, leave him as it is..".

Ganon will never be changed.

 

[RCyclone]

I think that maybe this cycle will never change. Why?. Simple.
The first time... he had no time to adapt ganondorf like he wanted because of time constraints.

AFter that, every single smash will always have NEW complex characters that will be priority to get done. SInce Ganondorf will never add that "Surprise" effect on anyone anymore... Sakurai just focus in delivering new Content as much as possible. AFter that, then he pays attention to clones etc. Exception to the rules are characters that he love like PIT, or maybe Bowser and ZSS got lucky because they were one of the first things they did when developing SB4. Then they tackled the newcomers and all the content....and when he realized...he was already short on time to create a Ganon from scratch...and since he loves falcondorf anyways.. he said like "well, leave him as it is..".

Ganon will never be changed.

And this what really bothers me about Ganondorf and Sakurai, and of course that doesn't mean I don't like what he does with characters and his games, but it just seems that Ganondorf almost always gets the short end of the stick, due to time constraints, and prioritization of other characters.

I love everything else he has done so far, it's just so sad that Ganondorf the character I love will never get a canonical moveset, unlike some other characters which have great canonical movesets, Shulk, Mega Man, and Pac Man etc...

And there was a recent article about Sakurai, and from what I gathered he actually re-creates the movesets from scratch so he thinks that Falcondorf is fine.

Here's to hoping he changes his customs at least, and maybe his U tilt.

 

[Electric Tuba]

Well, even if you recreate the moveset from scratch it's a lot easier to reproduce a character than revamp him.

I'm still holding out for a couple of moves changing that we just haven't seen yet, but I'm not that hopeful..

 

[asia_catdog_blue]

I want Falcondorf's up-tilt changed. Have you guys seen Project M's? That one's so brutal and satisfying to hit with.

Also Falcondorf still has a chance to be more Ganondorf-like via custom specials a la Palutena.

If Sakurai doesn't go along with it, then Sakurai officially doesn't think having a canonical Ganondorf matters, AND WE SHOULD MOVE ON FROM THAT. It's been 3 games in a row, and If Sakurai still doesn't care then he never will. We should accept that and move on.

Yes, it's unfair that he got the short end of the stick. I still resent that he ever included Ganondorf in Melee to begin with--I suspect that if he left him out of that, then he'd be an awesome, true-to-source-material Ganondorf in Brawl.

But it was not meant to be.

We have no choice but to stop crying about it, since our words are just gonna fall on deaf ears anyway.

If that is the case, then I'd rather NOT have Ganondorf in these games AT ALL. How he was in Melee, fine. It's tolerable. It's playable. Competitive players like it. But as of now, this is an insult!

Donkey Kong fans tend to complain about how their series gets screwed over, but honestly, I think LoZ suffers even worse. At least DK and Diddy are good and unique. But here, we get two Links that function the same, exact(almost) way, one of the most boring versions of Zelda, a one-shot alter ego/disguise that's surprising the best fighter in the group, and the series primary Big Bad reduce to being a butchered version of an unrelated character from a different franchise(which I also have beefs with), bastardizing the King of Evil in terms of the source material and combat. Being one of the WORSE fighters in Brawl was just adding salt to the wounds.

And this has occurred for over a decade! And Sakurai managed to get away with this? Cartoon Network: Punch Time Explosion delivered more to its FANS(the best it could) than Smash truly, ever did!

...(sigh) Now, I say thank God(I'm saying this?) for two things: Brawl Hacks & Hyrule Warriors.

 

[Sharkarat]

I do not see how zelda is the most boring version of her since it's a mix of OoT (the transformation & the spells are based on OoT), Twilight Princess (visual Design & Light Arrow) and Spirit Tracks (The Phantom). The only ones that has anything other interesting (WW & SS) is also the least fitting ones to represent Zelda.
And I wouldn't call getting a one-shot getting in as getting screwed over.

 

[_Ganondorf_]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiBtjpoqsB0 (<leaked footage)

At 1:33 when Ganondorf revives he does a move that I don't recognize. I thought it was his Nair at the beginning but after close inspection it looks like a completely new animation of perhaps for his Up air? what do you guys think.

 

[crotch protector]

So slow. FFS that's disappointing.

 

[RCyclone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiBtjpoqsB0 (<leaked footage)

At 1:33 when Ganondorf revives he does a move that I don't recognize. I thought it was his Nair at the beginning but after close inspection it looks like a completely new animation of perhaps for his Up air? what do you guys think.

It is definitely his same old U air, he also does his N air in the video but that footage has it cut out for some reason.