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Xatres scum and Sokr town are the exact two reads I've already gone into in detail. That said, my Xatres read has changed with recent developments and his responses to me especially. I really liked how he approached my points against him. He was very level-headed and willing to admit when my points have merit, an honestly he appeased all my qualms in the end. I want to see him live to the part of the game where he gets more involved to get a better read.
I'm not trying to keep Scary on the shadowy side. I was just advocating against counterclaims because I was of the opinion that if scum fake claims a PR, we are playing into their hands by outing the real one. Seeing the response to that I guess I had the wrong idea about counter claiming in an open setup like this. Scary has always been town to me, although Xatres's and fromarsh's points prompted a reread (that I admittedly haven't done, but it's not necessary after his claim).
What points are good?
It's not like I'm suggesting to lynch him on that claim without a CC.
This is bull****. I have explained why Sokr is town so many times and if you can't see it it's not my fault for knowing him that well. I can literally correctly read Sokr 9 times out of 10 off of his first few posts. In FE:A, I asked him a couple of questions and I had a solid (correct) townread on him the rest of the game. It's just how well I know his play.
Are you kidding me? Dude, I did reread Sokr. When I reread the game I looked at him with scum intentions in mind to see if I could fit it together. I even said I was doing as much beforehand, and then I posted all my findings in the post where I voted for you. Where is this coming from that I responded that way to you suggesting I look at the read again. I did. Seriously?
Okay, I was wrong about what should happen when someone claims. He claimed super prematurely and I was startled by that and didn't want anyone to jump the gun. Thinking about it now? Yes, a 1 for 1 is an excellent trade, even if we trade a PR. But in the spur of the moment I didn't want a CC. But since when was Scary my backup lynch? He was a townread for me at the time, although some comments you and fromarsh made had me wanting to reread him (but I didn't get around to it before he claimed). That's not to say I found him scum at all, and I definitely didn't want him lynched.
I'm trying something new with the notes, because in past games I just posted thoughts directly into the thread and often cluttered it with unnecessary stuff. This time, I'm doing that in a separate word document and just posting stuff when it's relevant/necessary or someone asks for it. I've found that this has really been working to organize my thoughts and will probably continue to do it in the future. But what the **** is you calling me scum for it just because I've never done it before? I'm scum for trying new things, before you even think about it for a bit about why I might be doing it? Jesus Christ Xatres...
I sincerely hope your speculation actually works out for you one day, but please stop doing it in games I'm in. When you're wrong on this I hope you learn how to read rather than speculating WIFOM-y **** every single game you play in.
Haven't you had a strong town read on Scary through out the game? This seems to be coming out of no where. I think you were about to take the opportunity to get on the Scary wagon, starting from your #567. But his claim ruined that for you and the unexpectedness of it finally revealed your scum intent. I said earlier that my early reads are really quite bad. The reason for that is because scum doesn't have to make any moves. Blending in is all they are doing. Later in the game though scum are eventually forced into making moves. Intent is finally shown as end game approaches. Scum also tend to show intent when reacting to unexpected, sudden events. I'm pretty good at noticing these, but I'm not so good at separating scummy and towny behavior without these motive-driven events, so by end game my credibility usually has been destroyed from the leading of mislynches. Either that or I'm dead by then.
I don't mean continuous as in since earlier in the day. Really I mean since the post he made before Kafk's first post. I voted with you just before then, but his response seemed pretty good to me, level-headed. It was strange to me that you got a "xat still scum" from it. And it was strange to me that you were doing a multi-quote battle. Seemed like you were trying to keep your hold on him. Said another way, it seems like you were trying to prevent him from being viewed in a town light by making sure that you kept debunking his entire post. As town I don't think you feel that was needed.
if me and zen were scum we would have already won
If there is something wrong between duo players I think the order in amount of situations that caused it goes like this: T-S > T-T > S-S. I think that the situation just needs to be read though. As I said, I just don't think that the interaction between Kanty and Sokr is S-S. The way that Kanty has questioned Sokr and gone about defending him don't really feel like the actions a scumbuddy or traitorbuddy would take.
Mother of Towniness.
It would be very funny if you and I were scum again. It would also explained why you laughed in your confirmation post
Oh please, it took you guys until N2 to win last time.