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[Senliten]

So out of boredom, I started played SSB3DS and started constructing a tournament legal stage list. After playing through all the stages, these are the ones I feel are the most balanced, fair and competitive. Here's the list.

Neutral:
Battlefield
Final Destination
Yoshi's Island
Tortimer Island
Prism Tower

Counterpick:
Corneria
Brinstar
Arena Ferox
Reset Bomb Forest
Tomdachi Life
All Omega Stages

Keep in mind this is my own personal list, nothing official. Other stages I think may or may not be fair are 3D Land, Paper Mario, Spirit Train, Gaur Plain and PictoChat2. What do you guys think? Is there anything stage that should or shouldn't be on the list?


Where is the Skype group? I'd like to join.

Mmmm got a skype username for me to add?

 

[Mario766]

It might be a counter-pick, but I don't think a stage like Tortimer's Island would be considered neutral.

 

[NT 3000]

Sure, just toss me yer skype username

I as well would like to be added....my skype name....damn what is it lol...I'll edit this later.

 

[Ekans647]

It might be a counter-pick, but I don't think a stage like Tortimer's Island would be considered neutral.

I get that, but why do you think it should be counterpick?

 

[gsninja]

Mmmm got a skype username for me to add?

I'd actually like to be part of the group. I'll message you my Skype name, since it's my full name.

 

[Heartstring]

So out of boredom, I started played SSB3DS and started constructing a tournament legal stage list. After playing through all the stages, these are the ones I feel are the most balanced, fair and competitive. Here's the list.

Neutral:
Battlefield
Final Destination
Yoshi's Island
Tortimer Island
Prism Tower

Counterpick:
Corneria
Brinstar
Arena Ferox
Reset Bomb Forest
Tomdachi Life
All Omega Stages

Keep in mind this is my own personal list, nothing official. Other stages I think may or may not be fair are 3D Land, Paper Mario, Spirit Train, Gaur Plain and PictoChat2. What do you guys think? Is there anything stage that should or shouldn't be on the list?

Thats a very...liberal stagelist, to say the least. A lot of those stages have some over-polarising and unbalanced things taking place on it (Tortimer Island, Reset Bomb Forest). not to mention a few of those have already been shown as not tournament viable (Corneria, Brinstar).

Here's the stagelist I plan on using early on in the UK scene, I should imagine we will lose a few of these along the way too.

Neutral:
Battlefield
Final Destination
Yoshi's Island

Counterpick:
Walled Omega Stage (E.G: Omega Pictochat, Omega Golden Plains)
Prism Tower
Arena Ferox
Tomodachi Life

I get that, but why do you think it should be counterpick?

Well, I didnt make the initial post but I agree with it.
Before I go into specifics, the mere fact that the stage is essentially random chance with multiple factors:
-Tree layout/type
-What side the dock is on
-What type of dock it is (new/broken)
-Stage layout/texture (a.k.a: where the bumps in the stage are)
-What kind of fruit you can get (Healing, throwing, healing/throwing, explosive)

All of this has no way of being selecting beforehand, so it is quite literally a random stage, the only things that are guaranteed from it are:
-It's really, really big.
-The non-dock side doesn't have a ledge
-Sharks and Kap'n will appear at some point

Because of all of this randomisation, I think this warrants the stage being counterpick at very best, and after we go into more detail, I can't see it being legal.

First of, the trees. While having these platforms is not a bad thing, they spawn various fruit. with various effect:
-Peaches, strawberries, cherries, and some other stuff:Heals you for different amounts
-Banana: heals you, and then gives you a banana peel
-Beehive: The same as the normal beehive item.
-Pineapples, Melons : normal throwing items, like a regular turnip...Except sometimes, they will be explosive, do 20% and kill as early as a bob-omb. This appears to have a ~1/3 chance of happening...a.k.a way too high

The healing fruit aren't a problem, The bananas are tolerable too, but The beehive and explosive fruit are...no, they should be nowhere near a tournament legal stage.

And then the other things...:
-One side not having a ledge causes a lot of problems for some characters, frigate orpheon comes to mind...
-The stage is WAAAAAYY too big, its nearly twice as long as FD. As such it's blastzones are enormous too.
-Kap'n and sharks pull the camera out to a fixed state, on a stage this big, that makes it near impossible to see whats happening.
-The sharks kill at like 40%. That's one hell of a dangerous stage hazard, it's actually worse than anything on Halberd from brawl.


So yeah...That's my analysis for why Tortimer island should not be used by any self-respecting tournament organiser ever.

 

[Ekans647]

Thats a very...liberal stagelist, to say the least. A lot of those stages have some over-polarising and unbalanced things taking place on it (Tortimer Island, Reset Bomb Forest). not to mention a few of those have already been shown as not tournament viable (Corneria, Brinstar).

Here's the stagelist I plan on using early on in the UK scene, I should imagine we will lose a few of these along the way too.

Neutral:
Battlefield
Final Destination
Yoshi's Island

Counterpick:
Walled Omega Stage (E.G: Omega Pictochat, Omega Golden Plains)
Prism Tower
Arena Ferox
Tomodachi Life


Well, I didnt make the initial post but I agree with it.
Before I go into specifics, the mere fact that the stage is essentially random chance with multiple factors:
-Tree layout/type
-What side the dock is on
-What type of dock it is (new/broken)
-Stage layout/texture (a.k.a: where the bumps in the stage are)
-What kind of fruit you can get (Healing, throwing, healing/throwing, explosive)

All of this has no way of being selecting beforehand, so it is quite literally a random stage, the only things that are guaranteed from it are:
-It's really, really big.
-The non-dock side doesn't have a ledge
-Sharks and Kap'n will appear at some point

Because of all of this randomisation, I think this warrants the stage being counterpick at very best, and after we go into more detail, I can't see it being legal.

First of, the trees. While having these platforms is not a bad thing, they spawn various fruit. with various effect:
-Peaches, strawberries, cherries, and some other stuff:Heals you for different amounts
-Banana: heals you, and then gives you a banana peel
-Beehive: The same as the normal beehive item.
-Pineapples, Melons : normal throwing items, like a regular turnip...Except sometimes, they will be explosive, do 20% and kill as early as a bob-omb. This appears to have a ~1/3 chance of happening...a.k.a way too high

The healing fruit aren't a problem, The bananas are tolerable too, but The beehive and explosive fruit are...no, they should be nowhere near a tournament legal stage.

And then the other things...:
-One side not having a ledge causes a lot of problems for some characters, frigate orpheon comes to mind...
-The stage is WAAAAAYY too big, its nearly twice as long as FD. As such it's blastzones are enormous too.
-Kap'n and sharks pull the camera out to a fixed state, on a stage this big, that makes it near impossible to see whats happening.
-The sharks kill at like 40%. That's one hell of a dangerous stage hazard, it's actually worse than anything on Halberd from brawl.


So yeah...That's my analysis for why Tortimer island should not be used by any self-respecting tournament organiser ever.

Thanks for the input. I was making this list for SSB3DS tournament I might be hosting on another forum.I was still working on my list and and intended to put more stages on the list and than think them over later. About Tortimer Island, I never knew about those stage hazards. I only played a couple times on that stage. I wasn't very sure about Reset Bomb Forest and Corneria in the first place, but I put it on the list so I could have more choices to chose from. I may keep Brinstar, assuming acid doesn't affect gameplay too much. Thnaks for the help.

 

[Waldox7]

It still is possible you know! You just have to do fullhop > DJ > QD in order to autocancel it. not as fast as it was in brawl, but still sweg as ****.

I'll try to do that then gotta adapt it with this way im playing now @_@ lol

 

[Nidtendofreak]

Brinstar and Cornelia are completely tournament viable, particularly Brinstar. Lava is super predictable, it was mainly banned in Brawl because of MK. MK ain't so much of a problem here anymore.

 

[Ekans647]

Brinstar and Cornelia are completely tournament viable, particularly Brinstar. Lava is super predictable, it was mainly banned in Brawl because of MK. MK ain't so much of a problem here anymore.

That's exactly what I was thinking about Brinstar. What about Corneria? My only concerns are the fin, the low upper blast zone, and the lasers.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

No more wall infinities as the attacker moves back if the opponent can't. Blastzone is fine. Lasers are pretty weak. Only real issue are the oddities with like Ness's Down B.

 

[Ekans647]

No more wall infinities as the attacker moves back if the opponent can't. Blastzone is fine. Lasers are pretty weak. Only real issue are the oddities with like Ness's Down B.

What about the lasers at the bottom blast line. Even if you're not at KO percents, the lasers will OHKO no matter what. Other than than, I agree.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

Don't let yourself get knocked into that position. And then get hit by that rarely happening, long wind up hazard.

 

[Senliten]

sent out FRequests to those that posted here or in pm and have handed their skype name over. Also in case I am not around, you can find my skype name under my profile info or simply remember that my user name here = my skype name, and can toss a friend request and i'll drop ya in when either i get home from work or have a chance to check my cell.

 

[Ekans647]

Don't let yourself get knocked into that position. And then get hit by that rarely happening, long wind up hazard.

Makes sense. I'll add it back for now.

sent out FRequests to those that posted here or in pm and have handed their skype name over. Also in case I am not around, you can find my skype name under my profile info or simply remember that my user name here = my skype name, and can toss a friend request and i'll drop ya in when either i get home from work or have a chance to check my cell.

I just made a new Skype account. My Username is Ekans647. Please add me.

 

[Senliten]

sent, both ekans and @ gsninja now have invites pending

 

[NT 3000]

sent, both ekans and @ gsninja now have invites pending

Finally remembered my skype name lol
Noisetank3000

 

[Ekans647]

sent, both ekans and @ gsninja now have invites pending

I didn't get a notification. Can you resend it?

 

[san.]

I think mine's san3711. Haven't been on in a long time though and only been on a few times total.

 

[Oddyesy]

I think mine's san3711. Haven't been on in a long time though and only been on a few times total.

It's the old one, and I think that you're in that one...

I didn't get a notification. Can you resend it?

Finally remembered my skype name lol
Noisetank3000

Done. By the way, NT, I like your mains :D

 

[Ekans647]

It's the old one, and I think that you're in that one...



Done. By the way, NT, I like your mains :D

Where do I find this. I still don't have an alert.

 

[Oddyesy]

Where do I find this. I still don't have an alert.

Hm, odd. Try adding me. Oddyesy.

 

[jamlosingthegame]

I stopped going on Skype in general. I'm expecting 1000+ messages when I get back on.

 

[Ekans647]

Hm, odd. Try adding me. Oddyesy.

EDIT: It seems I'm already following you. Is that right?

 

[Oddyesy]

EDIT: It seems I'm already following you. Is that right?

I mean on Skype.

I stopped going on Slype in general. I'm expecting 1000+ messages when I get back on.

Yooo wat it do

It's been a long time, haha

 

[Senliten]

I stopped going on Slype in general. I'm expecting 1000+ messages when I get back on.

hence why i just archive only a days worth of material for the group XD really does wonders
Also Ekans is readded and also resent a request to gs and nt. also LNIM needs to accept their invite as well.

E: Headed to sleep to get set for work tomorrow, just add Senliten on skype for those that are still interested and i'll get ya'll accepted and brought in when i get into the IT office in the morning. or can wait for oddy, either or one of us will get ya in.

 

[Ekans647]

hence why i just archive only a days worth of material for the group XD really does wonders
Also Ekans is readded and also resent a request to gs and nt. also LNIM needs to accept their invite as well.

E: Headed to sleep to get set for work tomorrow, just add Senliten on skype for those that are still interested and i'll get ya'll accepted and brought in when i get into the IT office in the morning. or can wait for oddy, either or one of us will get ya in.

I just went on Skype and accepted you and Oddysey.

 

[jamlosingthegame]

lol I just realized my misspelling of Skype.

 

[NT 3000]

It's the old one, and I think that you're in that one...



Done. By the way, NT, I like your mains :D

Which ones lol the ones posted on my profile or the ones I posted some where in the forums lmao

 

[Ussi]

A skype group? Guess I'll join in when the wii u version comes out.

 

[Oddyesy]

Which ones lol the ones posted on my profile or the ones I posted some where in the forums lmao

On your profile, haha. I'm not digging through your history. Who knows where you've been?

A skype group? Guess I'll join in when the wii u version comes out.

You should already be in haha

 

[link and ike lover]

Skype? Any1 wanna add?

 

[Sol0ke]

So I decided to try use Zero Suit Samus to cover up bad matchups for Ike.
Seems to work pretty well so far.

 

[Ekans647]

Just won against a Capt. Falcon on For Glory. I just read and punished the hell out of him. Dtilt and Fair were my go-to moves. Moves like that just show how amazing Ike is at punishing opposing players, which is one of the many reasons why I like him so much.

 

[Oddyesy]

Skype? Any1 wanna add?

Yeah, add me, Oddyesy

 

[san.]

I think Ike's aether 3 has a lot going for it, but I just can't tap into how to use it properly just yet. It's fast, nearly as high as aether1, its super armor lasts even after landing for a few frames, and it launches a piercing projectile that damages shields. I just don't know how to get a good amount of damage from it so far since it just launches foes away. It seems good at keeping them in the air without leaving you too vulnerable like old aether.

 

[Oddyesy]

I think Ike's aether 3 has a lot going for it, but I just can't tap into how to use it properly just yet. It's fast, nearly as high as aether1, its super armor lasts even after landing for a few frames, and it launches a piercing projectile that damages shields. I just don't know how to get a good amount of damage from it so far since it just launches foes away. It seems good at keeping them in the air without leaving you too vulnerable like old aether.

I'm kinda conflicted between that one and Aether 2. What to do...

 

[link and ike lover]

Yeah, add me, Oddyesy

Can you add me? raheelimrankhan

So long I know

Waitn for Smash4 for WiiU.......... -_-

 

[Meneil]

I'm seeing a lot of interest in the Ike skype chat. We're from the Brawl days but I'd definitely like to extend the offer for anyone to join, it is meant as a social chat for those of us who like Ike.

 

[Ussi]

You should already be in haha

Nah man, people just gonna talk about playing the 3ds verison.