Is there any kind of completed match up chart? I'm in serious need of help. I just got wrecked in teams by double Kirbys. I couldn't even get a hit in. It was pretty pathetic.
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The MU thread is somewhat useless because it's outdated imo.
Uh... not sure how to help if it's teams, but I could give some background info in 1v1
You probably noticed that Kirby has a somewhat lethal chaingrab on us at low percents. This is it:
20%+: no follow-up
10~19%: dthrow, utilt, usmash for 33% damage
0~9%: dthrow, utilt, dthrow, utilt x2, usmash for 53% damage
Obviously, you won't want to get grabbed early (or really even at all). Notice how getting grabbed at 0-9% is worse than 10-19%? My advice is this:
Hardcore platform camp until you reach 20%. Just camp the platforms and drop through laser when you have space/time (or SHTL if you have a lot of room on ground level). As long as you dance around him with platform camping, you shouldn't get grabbed, since you'll typically be on a platform, while he's below you. Kirby could obviously hit you though from below. This is ok though, because it raises your %. Just keeping doing that, and then once you reach 20%, play somewhat normally.
...Somewhat anyway. Besides the chaingrab, he still has a few advantages. For one, for Kirby's small size, his grab range is
massive. Keep this in mind above and below 20%. You really have to focus on burst options in the MU. Mobility is key, and make sure to maintain a fair amount of space onstage if you can. He's also one of the few characters I would consider to edge-guard Fox well. His dair is multi-hit, so if he tries to intercept illusion with it, shine stall a few times first and then illusion. [COLLAPSE="Punishment"]
- Kirby's Dair on shield is a Free Usmash, our Fair trades with his Dair a better option is Bair if you are going for trading hits.
- Kirby's Fair on shield is OoS Usmashable. If he retreats his Fair DO NOT follow him. On a whiff due to Kirby's horrible aerial movement we can easily Dash Usmash him, Fair vs. Fair trades hits, better to trade with a Bair on his whiff, you can also Usmash him on a whiff.
- Kirby's SH Rising Bair is OoS Usmashable, SH Falling Bair is tricky if he doesn't do it perfectly near the ground you can OoS Usmash it, same goes for a sky falling Bair. Retreating Bair is safe though. On a whiff Bair is easily Dash Usmashable, also tradeable with our own Bair.
- Kirby's Uair on shield is an obvious punish and so is whiff
- Kirby's Fsmash on shield is an easy OoS Usmash, on whiff Dair him hand follow-up
- Kirby's Dsmash is another easy punish OoS Usmash, on whiff do the same as Fsmash
- Kirby's Usmash on shield is lol, OoS Usmash him, on whiff Bair, Jab, Pivot Boost Grab, Dash Usmash
- Kirby's Down Special (LOLOOLOLOLOLOL) grab out of shield, on whiff wait for him to turn back to normal and procceed to **** him.
- Kirby's Side Special IS unpunishable on shield, on whiff **** him.
- Kirby's Up Special is OoS Usmashable, interrupt him while he is falling with his Up B either Usmash or Uair, Up B can't really whiff but, PS the shockwave and punish accordingly.
- Kirby's Dtilt is OoS Usmashable, on whiff walk grab don't try anything else
- Kirby's Utilt is OoS Usmashable, on whiff Dash Usmash or Pivot Boost Grab
- Kirby's Ftilt is not OoS Usmashable BUT you can unshield Dash Usmash, on whiff Dash Usmash, walk grab, or Pivot Boost Grab
- Kirby's Jab is unpunishable on shield and on whiff DO NOT challenge it.
- Kirby's Grab is an obvious you can't shield it, on whiff you can dash Usmash or grab back yourself, now if you are in the air FF Nair and Dair also work.
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Personally, I found walling with fast-falled bair and reverse utilt to somewhat work (make sure not to trade vs his bair though!). His bair is also reaaaaally annoying. Just look at the spoiler on some advice on how to punish it. You can't always punish it though (usually due to shield push), but when you can, be sure to. SHTL is good, since you'll always get that silent laser, making it easier to hit Kirby with lasers. Him crouching could be a problem them. If he does that when your below 20%, you can try to wall with those move I mentioned earlier while maintaing mobility. If you know
how to rain laser, than that should also help to hit Kirby if he's crouching.
That's all I could think off the top of my head. Sorry for a wall of text, with grammatical erros that probably make no sense. >.>
By the way, I like your avatar Disaster Master. Very creative and I like the art style. Oh and I will stick to Star Fox characters unless they are so terrible that they makes me sad when I play as them.
