Fact 54 - Mewtwo Is On The Way [Social/General Discussion]

[LIQUID12A]

So I thought I would be okay with Mewtwo not being in Sm4sh. Like I would be more disappointed than ever but I would get over it.

I just watched both Mewtwo movies. I have never wanted him more than just now. The hype is killing me and if it leads to disappointment I'll be absolutely gutted.

Both=?

-First Movie+Returns
-First Movie+Genesect
-Returns+Genesect

 

[SaucyDancer]

Both=?

-First Movie+Returns
-First Movie+Genesect
-Returns+Genesect

The Genesect done doesn't count.

Well it does, but when Im doing a Mewtwo marathon Im not ruining it with that movie.

 

[Metros]

The Genesect done doesn't count.

Well it does, but when Im doing a Mewtwo marathon Im not ruining it with that movie.

Sounds like me when I first saw the Mewtwo movies again. Melee was long out at that time, and as soon as I found out Mewtwo was in it I wanted it. I'll be gutted as well if he doesn't come back.

The 16th movie isn't *that* bad. It's just not the same, and it does take a while to get used to the voice acting. D:

 

[SaucyDancer]

Sounds like me when I first saw the Mewtwo movies again. Melee was long out at that time, and as soon as I found out Mewtwo was in it I wanted it. I'll be gutted as well if he doesn't come back.

The 16th movie isn't *that* bad. It's just not the same, and it does take a while to get used to the voice acting. D:

Don't get me wrong, the 16th movie was an enjoyable watch and I do think its a decent movie but when compared to Mewtwo Strikes Back and Mewtwo Returns its garbage. I don't have a problem with a Female Mewtwo nor that its not the same Mewtwo. None of that matters, I think its great personally but the fact that there were so many plot holes and such ruins the movie for me. They could have mentioned Ash has met another Mewtwo before and that this was a different one within a short 2 minute scene to clear it all up but they didn't and thats what annoys me.

Anyway I think I may actually watch the 16th movie. Ive got a 3 hours until Doctor Who is on. Its either that or play some Skyrim.

Ps. I wouldn't mind if it was actually FemTwo in Sm4sh. She was pretty badass.

 

[ミスティック Speed]

Don't get me wrong, the 16th movie was an enjoyable watch and I do think its a decent movie but when compared to Mewtwo Strikes Back and Mewtwo Returns its garbage. I don't have a problem with a Female Mewtwo nor that its not the same Mewtwo. None of that matters, I think its great personally but the fact that there were so many plot holes and such ruins the movie for me. They could have mentioned Ash has met another Mewtwo before and that this was a different one within a short 2 minute scene to clear it all up but they didn't and thats what annoys me.

Anyway I think I may actually watch the 16th movie. Ive got a 3 hours until Doctor Who is on. Its either that or play some Skyrim.

Ps. I wouldn't mind if it was actually FemTwo in Sm4sh. She was pretty badass.

It's strange that Ash didn't even mention his previous encounter with Mewtwo. ...you would think another encounter would stir up some memories of the last time.
-.- Makes it seem like Mewtwo did erases his memories again...

THIS, is the Mewtwo we all know and love. I mean, just look at how epic he looks with his...now iconic....cape! XD
Edit:
My GOD.

 

[Nonno Umby]

So I thought I would be okay with Mewtwo not being in Sm4sh. Like I would be more disappointed than ever but I would get over it.

I just watched both Mewtwo movies. I have never wanted him more than just now. The hype is killing me and if it leads to disappointment I'll be absolutely gutted.

I think , for the great final, you must see the final part of Origins. The final duel between Red's Charizard and Mewtwo is EPIC!!

 

[Mewtwosmash]

Hello fellow Mewtwo fans! I just joined this thread and I'm really hoping Mewtwo strikes back!

 

[Masonomace]

Hello fellow Mewtwo fans! I just joined this thread and I'm really hoping Mewtwo strikes back!

Welcome to Smashboards.
Enjoy the stay, & Thanks for Joining~
P.S. Your company in this thread & your time may be eggceptional

 

[---]

Don't get me wrong, the 16th movie was an enjoyable watch and I do think its a decent movie but when compared to Mewtwo Strikes Back and Mewtwo Returns its garbage. I don't have a problem with a Female Mewtwo nor that its not the same Mewtwo. None of that matters, I think its great personally but the fact that there were so many plot holes and such ruins the movie for me. They could have mentioned Ash has met another Mewtwo before and that this was a different one within a short 2 minute scene to clear it all up but they didn't and thats what annoys me.

Anyway I think I may actually watch the 16th movie. Ive got a 3 hours until Doctor Who is on. Its either that or play some Skyrim.

Ps. I wouldn't mind if it was actually FemTwo in Sm4sh. She was pretty badass.

That's the thing that bugged me the most about that movie. The original previews had Ash recognizing Mewtwo and they even took the time to have the 1st movie play on TV in HD for the first time as a celebration. Honestly, the whole marketing campaign played on nostalgia when the movie had nothing to do with it.

I still stand by saying that the Male Mewtwo should have also been in the movie (probably being able to turn into Mega X). It would have been perfect: cover up plotholes, appeal to old/new fans, more chances for character development, etc.

 

[Mewtwosmash]

I found a good video on YouTube about Mewtwo being playable but I don't know how to find the url! Plz help!

 

[Smashbro596]

Sounds like me when I first saw the Mewtwo movies again. Melee was long out at that time, and as soon as I found out Mewtwo was in it I wanted it. I'll be gutted as well if he doesn't come back.

The 16th movie isn't *that* bad. It's just not the same, and it does take a while to get used to the voice acting. D:

i liked the female mewtwo. it isnt the same one made on cinnabar, for sure.... but i think it still has SOME connections to team rocket. if thats the case, they could be cousins. :3
if the 1st movie mewtwo DOES return, it should mega evolve into mega mewtwo X :O

 

[cmbsfm]

Oh I loved the mewtwo movie and the old pokemon episodes, oh the nostalgia!

 

[Smashbro596]

It's strange that Ash didn't even mention his previous encounter with Mewtwo. ...you would think another encounter would stir up some memories of the last time.
-.- Makes it seem like Mewtwo did erases his memories again...

THIS, is the Mewtwo we all know and love. I mean, just look at how epic he looks with his...now iconic....cape! XD
Edit:
My GOD.

always thought the "armor" (notice the quotations since it didnt really protect mewtwo but was just a way for giovanni to control it) it had in the first movie would make the best sense for an alternate costume for sure. so what if it weakened mewtwo slightly? it looked BADDASS for sure!!
also, movie canon is debateable at best. when ash sees lugia in johto, in the japanese dub he claims its a pokemon he had never seen before, but the english dub (i despise 4kids fyi) said at least "hey! i saw it back on the orange islands!"

 

[LIQUID12A]

It's strange that Ash didn't even mention his previous encounter with Mewtwo. ...you would think another encounter would stir up some memories of the last time.
-.- Makes it seem like Mewtwo did erases his memories again...

The status quo is God.

That's the thing that bugged me the most about that movie. The original previews had Ash recognizing Mewtwo and they even took the time to have the 1st movie play on TV in HD for the first time as a celebration. Honestly, the whole marketing campaign played on nostalgia when the movie had nothing to do with it.

I still stand by saying that the Male Mewtwo should have also been in the movie (probably being able to turn into Mega X). It would have been perfect: cover up plotholes, appeal to old/new fans, more chances for character development, etc.

False advertising. Everyone does it nowadays.

2 Mewtwo's in a single movie? Sounds a tad too much, Wahwee, but it's an interesting concept.

I think , for the great final, you must see the final part of Origins. The final duel between Red's Charizard and Mewtwo is EPIC!!

This indeed. Although looking at Mewtwo with an oh crap face is disconcerting.

 

[Dragoncharystary]

Wow in a short amount of time the thread has gone up many pages. BTW does anyone know where I can get a Mewtwo icon for my signature?

 

[---]

False advertising. Everyone does it nowadays.

The Pokemon Company just knows that anything that calls back to Green/Red/Blue/Yellow people will eat up. Still I don't quite understand why they chose a new Mewtwo over the established one, when it makes much more sense overall bar newer fans (who to be fair, probably saw the original movie during the advertising campaign).

I can't tell you how many people I know who bought X/Y because you could get the Gen 1 Starters.

2 Mewtwo's in a single movie? Sounds a tad too much, Wahwee, but it's an interesting concept.

I was thinking more of a "Love me Senpai" kinda thing.

 

[Mewtwosmash]

Ok figured out the url here it is!

 

[Smashbro596]

Im glad im not the only fan of mewtwo here
mewtwo is my overall favorite pokemon in general. and theres one claim mewtwo had that no other pokemon had: it was pretty much unstoppable in gen 1. lack of bug or ghost type moves, and the supreme power of psychics... i feel mewtwo was one of the whole reasons dark types were invented to begin with (though mewtwo can learn aura sphere as a middle finger to dark types). plus, when you think about it... theres another circle that can be made with mewtwos inclusion. fighting is strong against dark, dark is strong against psychic, psychic is strong against fighting. so what if instead of Grass>fire>water they were intending to go with fighting(lucario)>psychic(mewtwo)>dark(greninja)?
i have a feeling im gonna love greninja all the same, dont get me wrong (started with it in x i have a soft spot for water starters)....but nothing will replace mewtwo.

 

[MYU2]

I think the reason movie 16 Mewtwo was made was because of Arceus. Remember, movie 1 Mewtwo was said to be the strongest Pokemon in the world but as soon as Arceus came along that became invalid.

 

[Smashbro596]

I think the reason movie 16 Mewtwo was made was because of Arceus. Remember, movie 1 Mewtwo was said to be the strongest Pokemon in the world but as soon as Arceus came along that became invalid.

then mega mewtwo x/y came along and promptly dethroned it in terms of base stats
besides, times have changed, there is much more balance here then there was then. arceus, no matter which form it takes, will still always be a single type. and theres more damaging moves now from each type than there were in gen 1. mewtwo, however, always had that distinction of being....near broken in terms of strength. mewtwo may have been nerfed since gen 1.... but it can learn moves to potentially counter any type.
heck, one of its OWN natural moves can counter its biggest weakness since gen 4: the dark type. and it can also learn poison jab for the "invincible" fairy type. or shadow ball for ghosts and other psychics (thank you movie 1 mewtwo, i based my mewtwo around you!) and don't even get me started on its signature move psystrike. giovanni/mr fuji(depending on canon) knew what they were doing to create the worlds strongest pokemon

 

[MYU2]

then mega mewtwo x/y came along and promptly dethroned it in terms of base stats
besides, times have changed, there is much more balance here then there was then. arceus, no matter which form it takes, will still always be a single type. and theres more damaging moves now from each type than there were in gen 1. mewtwo, however, always had that distinction of being....near broken in terms of strength. mewtwo may have been nerfed since gen 1.... but it can learn moves to potentially counter any type.

Yeah, but I'm talking about Mewtwo without megalutions.

 

[Smashbro596]

Yeah, but I'm talking about Mewtwo without megalutions.

even without the mega evolutions it is still a force to be reckoned with. i just talked about how i can counter its BIGGEST weaknesses (being dark or ghost). it can still learn damaging moves from each type, and arceus no matter what plate it holds, will always be one typed. so potentially i can counter it with mewtwo depending on if i know what type it is. i love arceus dont get me wrong.... but mewtwo was and still is, king.
but smash doesnt have weaknesses (otherwise shadow ball would NEVER hit jigglypuff). i was just explaining why i love mewtwo. :3
honestly, now that custom movesets are in i am a bit curious what it would be like if a pokemon like mew could be in future installments (lets face it, mew can learn ANY tm/hm and ALMOST any move tutor.) mewtwo itself can learn a wide range of moves. from flamethrowers to ice beams. i hope that with custom movesets we could get freezing or electrocuting moves for mewtwo :O

 

[Mewtwosmash]

(Mewtwo in unown letters)

 

[CryoGX]

Ok figured out the url here it is!

Great vid.

Here's even more reasoning why I think he'll be in it (some overlap with others' reasons).

-Literally the most popular fan-requested character.
-Seriously, this thread alone has 220+ pages right now. That's a couple thousand replies.

-Almost made it into Brawl, and his increased popularity should make him higher priority.
-This character alone could impact Sm4sh's marketing by taking advantage of fans' hopes.
-Extremely high representation as of late. 2 Mega Evo's, 16th Movie and again, extreme wants from fans.
-Every leaker, INCLUDING the one who leaked an accurate roster (not final, though), has mentioned that Mewtwo will be one of the final playable characters.
-Even though I didn't believe the leak at first, this guy is a bit more trustworthy than others, especially since he was apparently the guy at Nintendo communicating with ESRB.

-Dr. Mario is another Melee character, so that cuts any possibilities of anyone from 2 games ago being left out.
-Too many Pokemon? Nah. Mario has 7 slots as of the leak; Pokemon having 6 wouldn't be too bad.
-As I mentioned before, Greninja's trailer was INTENTIONALLY misleading due to him having smaller, unwebbed fingers to appear like Mewtwo's.
-Sakurai's trolling knows no bounds, and I'm pretty sure he'd keep the most hoped-for character under the most extreme of wraps, to ensure that in no way gets leaked visually.
-Some people have argued that a Legendary Pokemon would be too powerful for Sm4sh. What? No. Smash universe is canonically different from each characters' individual universe. Besides, Palutena is a goddess.

-Name a better Pokemon to take up a slot. (This is assuming Jigglypuff returns alongside Mewtwo)



Also, I'd enjoy seeing this being reenacted in some way (even though only one of em will likely be able to Mega at a time)

Spoiler

 

[ミスティック Speed]

(Mewtwo in unown letters)

(Ya dont say?)

 

[LIQUID12A]

The Pokemon Company just knows that anything that calls back to Green/Red/Blue/Yellow people will eat up. Still I don't quite understand why they chose a new Mewtwo over the established one, when it makes much more sense overall bar newer fans (who to be fair, probably saw the original movie during the advertising campaign).

I can't tell you how many people I know who bought X/Y because you could get the Gen 1 Starters.



I was thinking more of a "Love me Senpai" kinda thing.

ERMAGHERD DOCTAH WAHWEE QUOTED MEEEEEEE

Because new decisions. See below.

• Animation Age Ghetto: The Pokémon anime's adherence to this trope is believed to be one reason why a new Mewtwo was created in the first place. Compare to Takeshi Shudo explaining that he made the original Mewtwo's movie to appeal to both children and their parents (at least in Japanese) - considering this, it makes perfect sense that the older fans would prefer the original Mewtwo.
  Reiko Takashima: Of course, I also wanted to really give this my all because Mewtwo is such a huge figure in the Pokémon world. I think a lot of children are excited to see this movie and so I felt pressured to not let them down.
  
  This movie's reaction can be summed up as: "what if Darth Vader was confirmed to return for Star Wars Episode VII, and was then revealed to be a much shallower, female, heroicSuspiciously Similar Substitute with Anakin Skywalker not being mentioned at all?" In this case, theInternet Backdraft was so big that the director and writers had to lock their Twitter accounts after fans kept questioning them on the new Mewtwo.
  
  Charizard hype tho

Do you want to piss off shippers that much wahwee, 2 Mewtwo's omg

 

[MagnesD3]

It's strange that Ash didn't even mention his previous encounter with Mewtwo. ...you would think another encounter would stir up some memories of the last time.
-.- Makes it seem like Mewtwo did erases his memories again...

THIS, is the Mewtwo we all know and love. I mean, just look at how epic he looks with his...now iconic....cape! XD
Edit:
My GOD.

The true Icon of what it means to be a legendary pokemon!!

 

[Mewtwosmash]

To keep this relevant it features Mewtwo at the end!

 

[Smashbro596]

To keep this relevant it features Mewtwo at the end!

at least it was a youtube poop. been a while since i seen one of these

 

[Yonder]

Mewtwo's too hype inducing to not be revealed. If he came alongside Ridley, the internet would explode.

I've concluded that after PAC MAN was shown behind closed doors and reveals via tweets, Sakurai doesn't really care too much about stirring hype like that with character trailers.

 

[Mewtwosmash]

Here's another theory video about Mewtwo plz enjoy!

 

[ミスティック Speed]

Here's another theory video about Mewtwo plz enjoy!

Old...

 

[Naglfarii]

It's strange that Ash didn't even mention his previous encounter with Mewtwo. ...you would think another encounter would stir up some memories of the last time.
-.- Makes it seem like Mewtwo did erases his memories again...

THIS, is the Mewtwo we all know and love. I mean, just look at how epic he looks with his...now iconic....cape! XD
Edit:
My GOD.

it's pretty normal when you consider that it had no bearing on the plot of this movie and that the movies are for little kids who likely haven't seen the original pokemon movie

 

[Mewtwosmash]

Lol @ ミスティック Speed I know just thought I'd share

 

[LIQUID12A]

I've concluded that after PAC MAN was shown behind closed doors and reveals via tweets, Sakurai doesn't really care too much about stirring hype like that with character trailers.

Point taken.

sakurai dont care for the west much anyway

 

[Naglfarii]

Soooooo Errrmm
NOTHING GOT EXTREMLY OFF TOPIC WHEN I WAS OFF

Is everyone now thinking that Mewtwo is a secret character?
I'm sure he is.

At this point he'll be the only secret character in the game. Tbh I don't really expect many surprises, I think they're pretty much gonna spoil almost the entire roster

 

[ミスティック Speed]

Point taken.

sakurai dont care for the west much anyway

o.o but he attended E3. He didn't have to...

 

[LIQUID12A]

o.o but he attended E3. He didn't have to...

he don't care MUCH.

don't mean he doesn't care AT ALL

 

[Smashbro596]

ugh... is it sad im more looking foreward to smash 4 than my own birthday this month? (september 20th.)

 

[lltacx]

ugh... is it sad im more looking foreward to smash 4 than my own birthday this month? (september 20th.)

No! My Birthday is September 10th and all i care about is that there will be early leaks from Japan...