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Considering that Eiji said that he was surprised by the numer of characters and the return of Midna, then I would say that he is likely to appear in the gameYou guys thinking Ghirahim will appear in any form in Hyrule Warriors?
His eternal rival, the 'Goddess serving dog' is playable as you all know
I expect Ghirahim to be in the game, but I would like to point out that none of those things are evidence towards his inclusion.
Well yea. I mean, at this point for a Smash or Hyrule Warriors not-already-announced newcomer, there is almost zero available body of facts or information directly indicating whether the proposition of their inclusion is valid. Since for the most part everything is rampant speculation anyway, why not just accept it?
Kenith
where have you been? Lucina did pretty well on her RTC rate, and now we're rating Ghirahim!Did you already rate?
Welcome to the site! it's an honor to have someone make their first post here
Ah, today begins the Zelda franchise binge. This is a series that has meant a lot to me over the years, so I'm going to enjoy rating these characters.
All of these characters' ratings hinge on the chance that the Legend of Zelda series gets a 6th representative, because there is no way Ganon is not returning to battle. Six reps may seem like quite a lot for the series, but keep in mind that Zelda has always been one of Nintendo's biggest franchises, and a precedent has been set that very important franchises CAN indeed get six reps (Assuming Pokemon Trainer counts as three separate characters.) Having said that, I give The Legend of Zelda series a 65% chance of getting a sixth character, and this number will be divided among the five characters being rated the next two days.
Tingle
Tingle has always been a bit of a strange one in the Zelda universe. On one hand, he played very minor roles in Majora's Mask and the less known Oracle, serving the purpose of only giving the player maps. In Wind Waker, his role was expanded and his personality made into even more of a rupee-pinching maniac. He also is in the unique position of having his own spin-off series, although these games are not exactly well received. In the US, Tingle has very little popularity, with some people even flat out hating the guy, while in Japan he does have some popularity going for him. However, despite his quirky personality and his spin-off games, there really is not much room for moveset potential in this character, and were he added he would probably be one of the worst received characters. On top of this, there are many other more capable newcomers the series has to offer, which are being discussed in the next two days.
Given these statements, I give Tingle a 0% chance to appear in Smash 4. He just has far too many things going against him. Oh yeah, there's andimidna's Tingle Theory too, which may hold some weight.
Now just because I give a character a zero percent chance, I won't necessarily give them a zero percent want. In fact, I actually think Tingle could be quite a funny character if done correctly. However, he really isn't that great of a character in my opinion, and there I would probably rather have any of the other potential Zelda newcomers than him. Having said that, I'll give Tingle a 10% want.
Ghirahim
Ah, now this is my kind of character. The Demon Lord has a lot going for him in this game. Not only does Ghirahim play a major role in Skyward Sword, the most recent 3D Zelda, but he is also probably one of the most well-received villains in the series to date. His personality is sadistic, narcissistic, and just plain creepy. Ghirahim knows what he wants and he actually has the ability to make it happen, unlike some other Zelda villains. He also has more moveset potential that some of the characters that are actually IN THE GAME (I'm looking at you, Captain Falcon.)
Of course, it isn't all sunshine and rainbows for our Demon Lord. He has the nasty stigma of likely being a one-shot villain, and unless he is planned for a future Zelda title, he will probably stay that way. Of course this hurts his chances immensely. It isn't like there is any sort of a precedence set for a very popular, interesting, and obvious fighter, but one-shot character getting a spot in the Smash Bros series. That would be preposterous!
Oh, wait.
Sheik, in her time was (and in a way still is) a one shot character. However, she was popular enough and had enough moveset potential to warrant a spot on the roster for Melee. I could very easily see the same thing happening for Ghirahim. So, given all of this, I am going to give Demon Lord Ghirahim a 50% Chance of being a playable character in Smash 4.
As if this wasn't obvious enough from my above analysis, I am a BIG fan of Ghirahim. In fact, he is my favorite villain in the Zelda series by far. Along with this, he is also without a doubt my most wanted newcomer to the smash bros series. So Ghirahim gets the honor of having a 100% Want. I would give him more if I could, trust me.
Oh, and you know how Ghirahim feels when he sees all of these people giving him 0% chances?
Tingle
Chance - 0,001%
"Impossible" is not an easy thing to say in Smash Bros, but i would truly doubt Sakurai's sanity if he did add Tingle, of all incredible possible Zelda Newcomers, as a playable character in Smash.
Motifs: Well, HE HAS NO MOVES, even his balloon recovery is already a part of the Villager's moveset; and he is never shown using any possible fighting move in the games he appeared in. And, aside from his moveset problems, half the world (i think the right proportion is 98,56%) hates Tingle, there is no place for this "fairy" in smash.
and, if you are a Tingle person...
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Ghirahim
Chance: 60%
Reasons: A Zelda Newcomer, while not as probable some other nominees, is completely possible; and of all options Ghirahim is obviously the one the best chances.
Want: 85%,
Reasons: Ghirahim is a fresh new character from the Zelda series with a lot of charisma and moveset potential; if i were to guess which character from the Legend Of Zelda series would join the Smash as a playable character, there's no doubt i would choose Ghirahim.
If you think someone else should join instead of Ghirahim...(specially Tingle)
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God, if there are so many fabulous Ghirahim images only with SS, imagine if he was in SSB4... i can't help but wonder.
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My Predictions:
Vaati: Chance: 15% Want: 75%
Reason:
Cons: No recent appearances, small fanbase, didn't appear in Brawl AT ALL (yeah, not even as a sticker).
Pros: BUT, It would be great to have a Villain for Toon Link, and Vaati has lots of moveset material.
Impa: Chance: 5% Want: 35% (i would be disappointed if they chose her for the LoZ newcomer)
Reason:
Not enough moves, inconsistent character, possible Sheik clone, and...
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Tingle: Chance/Want: 0,0001%, please keep him out of this game. Assist trophy at max (3 ATs for legend of zelda? wow, or he will be a stage hazard, who knows).
Toon Zelda / Tetra: Chance: 3,2%. Want: 10% (DEATH TO THE CLONES)
Talk of Ghirahim? Guess I should post for once then! But first... Tingle.
Tingle's Chances: 5%
The only reason I really give him any is because I know Sakurai loves proving his fans wrong and show them how close-minded their views of likely and fitting are. But adopting our notions of what is probable, getting a new Zelda character at all seems difficult enough on its own, and from that perspective it'd certainly be hard to shake off the notion that any newcomer would have to be quite special to be included among the likes of Link, Zelda, and Ganon (Toon and Sheik as extensions of the former two). There aren't many options to choose from, and none are very stellar. Choices that were popular in the pre-Brawl days, Midna and Skull Kid, were given to us already as confirmed Assist Trophies, and they earned their popularity from likability and potential alone.
Vaati is one that is still safe and carries along with him a greater repertoire of appearances, albeit only slightly, but carrying a good deal of potential (not as much likability though, I'm going to allow myself to guess). Then we come to the one known as Tingle. Plenty of appearances, even his own series, although it's spin-off territory. The potential seems a bit lacking compared to the like of Vaati, and even comes up short compared to the slain Twilight Princess and the puppet of Majora. I'm ever the believer of Sakurai's talent to make these SSB4 character's creative and appealing considering what we've seen thus far, so there's no doubt some way he could imagine a way to implement him in a way that is easily acceptable, but this applies to the others all the same, nay, all the more, and thus only works as a way to justify the potential to be enjoyable and nothing more. It in know way shows him to be a "logical" choice over others on such a basis, unless Sakurai's unique understanding, being behind the development, gives him a vision beyond any precedent I can conjure or anyone I've seen speak here.
And finally, returning to something I've mentioned before: likability. This treks into even greater subjectivity, so I can only speculate on the general opinion of those around me and also contribute my own opinion, of which seems to be aligned with what most people go with here on Smashboards. That is to say, I believe him to be uninteresting. I've never played his games, which definitely contributes, but insofar as he is a part of the mainline of Zelda games, his presence in the Zelda games, while consistent, are either not notable or, when they are, it's rather unwelcome (I'm looking at you ****ing Wind Waker, a stain on an otherwise gorgeous game (I partially kid, I don't mean to exaggerate its annoyance)). This all leads roughly to...
Want: 5%
Putting it this way makes it seem as though my basis for wanting character is comparable to how possible they are, but I'd like to make crystal clear that this is simply not the case.
Ghirahim's chances: 15%
The character I did not mention up above as possible candidates, and the one that I'd guess would make it in if anyone at all (excluding Toon Zelda & Sheik/Tetra, however bringing that in makes this business of pseudo-prediction even more pointless and presumptuous than it already is to me). As far as potential goes, in my view, he reigns supremeDemonMoveset Lord. He's got magic like Vaati, which you can be as original with that as you wish, or you can do what I did and completely flat-out rip his moves from Skyward Sword. Seriously, fighting him was what sparked the idea of him being a playable character in Smash for me, his attacks felt like they'd not only translate well into it but they'd also be very fresh compared to the rest of cast. Aside some creative liberties I took with the standard attacks, I translated everything into a set with seriously no effort at all (the set I made in my support thread is genuinely lazy, which is amusing because most people rather found it to be to their liking). The idea clicked from the battles as a perfect idea when I thought about how memorable and enjoyable his character was to me on a personality level, although this is certainly a subject of debate, but certainly not to the degree of Tingle (fabulousness gone wrong), and Vaati doesn't have one to discuss to begin with. This likability, this distinction in style and expression, is all the more important to me ever since I saw how vibrant and cartoony some of the pictures we've seen of the characters. Whether he's a character or not, he needs to be involved in some sort of glorious HD fashion in my opinion. It'd be a wasted opportunity otherwise.
Unfortunately, despite my high praises, there's a good chance indeed that we may never see him again, although I still stand by my belief that he may very well appear once more in a couple different ways, which makes me want to look into what Miyamoto said about wanting him to be remembered a lot more than what was probably intended.Granted, a lack of appearances doesn't seal someone's fate, particularly in view of Sakurai's antics, but it's a cause of concern nonetheless and therefore I shall not put his probability high, especially again in relation to the fact that the other characters represented in the franchise are the three most important and returning characters of the series. The only point that can be given for him in regards to his appearance is that it's, well, recent, and thoroughly appeared in all his antagonistic glory in the latest Zelda game that will be receiving item and stage attention in this latest iteration of Smash Bros. All of this being said, I'll leave the big number for my desire.
Want: 90%
Not at 100% purely for the fact that I understand why people might not entirely want him in and mostly due to my ever-growing complacency regarding who is included in the new games given that I'm quite content with what we've gotten already and feel confident for what's to come in the future no matter what.
Hey! You guys all rated Ghirahim on the last RTC day! Want to rate him again? His day was extended to tomorrow and he could sure use the extra support!
Welcome to the site! it's an honor to have someone make their first post here
I actually made my account back in March. I just never bothered to make a post here until now. I mostly just lurked around the rumor &leak/Sal Romano threads. I occasionally visited other threads of potential newcomers and the funny caption thread.
I just realized something! In the ending of Skyward Sword, Ghirahim kidnaps Zelda right? There is something I noticed: The Triforce was UNGUARDED on the statue of the goddess! Since Link and Zelda didn't see any effects of any wishes Ghirahim might have made: he must have wished to be in Smash 4!Hey! You guys all rated Ghirahim on the last RTC day! Want to rate him again? His day was extended to tomorrow and he could sure use the extra support!
It's right here!: http://smashboards.com/threads/rate-their-chances-day-258-impa-and-ghirahim.351920/page-120
If you give a high want, you'll fill Ghirahim's heart with rainbows
Why? Bridge of Eldin was a stage in the last game, and there were no TP characters.
With Zelda being the TP Zelda and the Link (in the Wii U version) being both SS and TP: I feel that the existence of Skyloft as a stage means that a greater SS presence is merited.
Am still not okay with Sheik actually...
I doubt he won't be in Hyrule Warriors, at least as a non-playable villian. But we don't definitely know yet if villains are not playable, maybe they will be unlockable.
Well, one thing that irks me is that they unveiled a DLC pack for TP themed alternate costumes.
I don't know, do they keep anything secret in the game before it is released? Or is the whole game laid out ahead of time?
I don't know, it feels like we would know if Ganondorf was in the game by now if he had DLC pertaining to him.
Well, technically we all change forms after we die eventually, unless you are pickled or frozen.
Or you're Lenin.Well, technically we all change forms after we die eventually, unless you are pickled or frozen.
Well, Ganondorf was basically confirmed at the ending of the e3 trailer and zant is confirmed to appear as well
I think that if the two of them met, they wouldn't have been able to stand each other.
No, no, I agree, there's a lot of Skyward Sword love in this game too, having Ghirahim somehow simply has to happen.
Precisely!
Wait... What part said that. D:Fi will be playable in Hyrule Warriors.
Ghirahim will also be in the game...but he won't be playable?
It's in the latest Famitsu article.
