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[ToxiCrow]

blaaaah
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[ZMan]

omelets

good **** for linking to my super cool q&a thread

 

[Cheeri-Oats]

Is the Ganondorf challenge like the Bowser Challenge? And I think Lucas would have it easy with nair and PKT2.

 

[_clinton]

So...what do you guys do to edge guard?

I'm a big fan of Lucas' Dsmash myself...boy that move is great when people are rolling, spot dodging, and being predictable with their recovery too much...

 

[deepseadiva]

omelets

So, I've been wondering this for some time now, is that, like, you guy's attempt at "steak"?

 

[_clinton]

So, I've been wondering this for some time now, is that, like, you guy's attempt at "steak"?

Lucas' canon favorite food is actually omelets...FLUFFY omelets that is...

http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/348986

Ness' canon favorite food is steak as well...and I'm pretty sure Ike likes chicken...

 

[c3gill]

Lucas said, “You gain 2 whole exp mom.” Hinawa said, “It time for lunch and I fixing your favorite, omelets.”

YAY! Omelets!

 

[prOAPC]

- i read this thread http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=173119
it says Lucas can recover his second jump with all aerials, zair and side B
can this be useful to Lucas' metagame?

- did you know there's a hack to stop the game, and run it frame by frame? can someone use this code and make a new frame data?

 

[ToxiCrow]

Is the Ganondorf challenge like the Bowser Challenge? And I think Lucas would have it easy with nair and PKT2.

yeah. here's a look at it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTUSDOn0Ehw
since bowser got much better, they use ganondorg now.
and it's done on battlefield, since it's about the same size as fountain of dreams.
it looks like a buttload of fun. and i agree with it being easier for lucas. i'd love to see a video of that

APC- yeah . thats how they did Perfect Control for SSBM. it'd be a good idea to do it with brawl; this way frame data will be 100% accurate
clintion- i like downsmash for edgeguarding. PKT is better imo, but downsmash is good too

 

[_clinton]

I enjoy using PKT to annoy more...at least for non-shoddy and non-predictable recoveries...

 

[Irsic]

So, I've been wondering this for some time now, is that, like, you guy's attempt at "steak"?

wtf is steak

 

[PK Starstorm]

PK LOVE

I like the way how brawl incorporated it into Lucas' moves. Instead of the circular bolts that Ness and alot of other non Psi users use, he's got his own signature animation that sets him apart from Ness.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xjb8CDqpDpk This is how the move originally looks, for those of you who don't really know much about mother 3. So I'm curious to ask. Many of us wish he had this instead of pk starstorm, but I wonder how you'd imagine this being in brawl as his final smash? Mines would be like this._______________________
/ \
\____/___

The lines on top would be used to drag people into the attack, while Lucas stands in the middle. the sides of the hexagon form and then explode with a bunch of hexagons the same size as his U smash scattering in all directions.

 

[ParanoidDrone]

I was actually pondering how a fullscreen PK Love would look. That sounds pretty cool. But I think the ultimate fanservice would have it proceeded by pulling a Needle.

 

[Irsic]

Sup

Irsic doesn't know how to get out of the deathgrab with Marth

 

[S.D]

Hold diagonally upward away from Marth with the c stick and DI away with the joystick upon release essentially.

 

[c3gill]

While training today, I realized that I am totally obsessed with Lucas' auto-RAR. I love using it to do pseudo-SHPKF, and generally i approach with it as well- using Bair and Nair, although I am working on approaching with Dair. Love for the Auto-RAR!

 

[ToxiCrow]

shpkf is good for spacing you approach. after it hits, follow up with nair or dair

 

[prOAPC]

autoRAR uair is good

 

[ToxiCrow]

hmm i gotta check that out APC.
i like uair!

 

[prOAPC]

3. Up Air
Damage: 13%
Kills: 152%
Hits: frame 5
Landing lag: 8 frames
Priority: High
Properties: autocancels immediately after hitbox comes out and after attack ends, disjointed hitbox on back upper portion​

a. Uair Combo
SHFF Uair can be used to combo because of its low knockback. This can rack up tons of damage especially on some heavies. Note that the fast fall occurs AFTER the attack has finished and is relatively low to the ground.​

bold says why it's good

 

[Levitas]

landing lag is wrong. Should be 12 frames.

 

[c3gill]

autoRAR uair is good

This got me thinking about it, so i hopped on Brawl and while messing around, noticed a weird property of Uair. If you time it right you can Uair, jump on the persons head and Uair again, without touching the ground- is this something I didnt know about? Bouncing on someones head?

EDIT- glad i NOW know this has a name, and is basically worthless.

 

[Levitas]

WOAH! I have to try this "headbouncing" out.

It's like the old saying goes: Footstool a grounded opponent, and you'll be in lag for 8 frames. Get footstooled by an opponent, and you'll be in lag for 20. Get footstooled in the air, and you'll be in lag for 54 frames. Get footstooled into the ground from the air, and you'll be in lag for 25 frames before putting yourself in even more lag by starting to get up with either a roll or a standing animation in addition to however many frames you were in lag in the air already.

My mother always used to tell me that.

 

[Cheeri-Oats]

What am I supposed to be looking for in those videos? Or... nevermind.

 

[Irsic]

Uair is probably one of Lucas' highest priority attacks, it's ridiculous.


And I love it. Such a good move. Also SH low% comboing with uair is great because it's generally not expected from Lucas.

 

[ToxiCrow]

What am I supposed to be looking for in those videos? Or... nevermind.

what video?

 

[c3gill]

what video?

i deleted it.

New question to pose- PSI Magnet slows Lucas down if used while he is falling. How much slower is he falling (compared to his normal fall speed), and how long can this slower speed be maintaned (should i spam it while falling to fall slower, or once and hold it? it seems spamming slows fall more....)?

Obviously Lucas' horizontal speed increases during a Magnet Pull- but is his vertical speed also slowed down?

 

[Irsic]

He comes to almost a complete pause when you just tap down b once. If you hold it out, he slowly begins to fall at normal speed again.


I use it when falling to attempt to throw my opponents off, as would Fox by shine stalling.

 

[Yoshi-Kirby]

I did the weirdest thing yesterday with Lucas, but I'm not sure if it's new. I was holding on to an item, then when I jumped in midair and threw it, I seemed to jump waaay higher than usual. Is that something new or old? I have a replay of it.

 

[Levitas]

You can zap jump with an item throw if you throw the item the frame after you DJ (same frame data as a zap jump)

This has been known since fairly early last summer

 

[Yoshi-Kirby]

You can zap jump with an item throw if you throw the item the frame after you DJ (same frame data as a zap jump)

This has been known since fairly early last summer

Geez...I feel slow...>_>

 

[prOAPC]

i played brawl again yesterday
i pulled out dair+footstool+dair vs an olimar, so now i know it works vs every character, no matter how big they are (i've pulled it vs DK before)...
dair+dtilt lock+usmash is too easy...
i tried Lucas' infinite jumps, but with no results :S
i'll play again today, i'll try to wave zap manually, and maybe play some wifi, i'll post the FC later in the chatroom if someone wants to play

 

[skift182]

I don't know if this new or not, but did you ever just try using Pk thunder to just push your opponent off the stage and into oblivion? I find it is ridiculously easy, even at low percentages even at 0%. Maybe this is already known, i checked but didn't see...

 

[Levitas]

If you can pull a reverse b reversal starting one frame after a jump (that's 4 inputs in 5 frames, 3 within 2 frames that must be frame perfect and one that comes 3 frames later for a total of 4 separate button presses in 1/12th of a second) you are my hero.

If you can do it consistently, then you're not human. I'm not kidding.


@skift, are you talking about just hitting them twice or so offstage? Also, welcome to smashboards ^_^

 

[ToxiCrow]

PKT edgeguarding is what he's talking about

 

[Levitas]

When his opponents learn to DI or not play as olimar that won't happen so much.

 

[ToxiCrow]

^^^
yeah thats true
whenever i airdodge, it sends me away. i just take the hit and let it go thru me this way it pulls me back on stage

 

[Irsic]

I love sometimes though when you barely touch someone with the side of the head with PKT, and it shoots them way farther than normal.


And it kills. Gotta love that.

 

[ToxiCrow]

If you can pull a reverse b reversal starting one frame after a jump (that's 4 inputs in 5 frames, 3 within 2 frames that must be frame perfect and one that comes 3 frames later for a total of 4 separate button presses in 1/12th of a second) you are my hero.

If you can do it consistently, then you're not human. I'm not kidding.

just getting this out of the way: Wavezap = Magnetpull?

 

[Levitas]

no. Wave zap is just a bsticked (or wavebounced) pk fire done as the pk fire part of a zap jump.