Charizard won in the latest Conquest

[dbzeenx]

He won against Yoshi.


That proves how ****ty the first tier lists are. Name ONE list where Charizard wasn't lower in rank!

 

[Raijinken]

Conquest has nothing to do with tier lists.

Conquest is effectively a popularity contest. The more people use a character, the more points that character/team gets, and thus they win Conquest for that session. Case in point: Mac is very average on all tier lists due to his extremely polar ground vs air game, but he has won every single conquest. And according to Sakurai, he had the lowest win rate on For Glory out of all characters.

Most people trying to use the "best" characters skip right past Yoshi and go to Sheik or Diddy anyway. Charizard is also notoriously easy to kill people with in lag conditions due to the increased difficulty in dodging Flare Blitz.

Of course, your point about early tier lists being inaccurate is completely valid. Strategies and character preferences change over time, and we also have balance patches to influence it this time around. But it has nothing to do with Conquest.

 

[Zilla-G]

Conquest has nothing to do with tier lists.

Conquest is effectively a popularity contest. The more people use a character, the more points that character/team gets, and thus they win Conquest for that session. Case in point: Mac is very average on all tier lists due to his extremely polar ground vs air game, but he has won every single conquest. And according to Sakurai, he had the lowest win rate on For Glory out of all characters.

Most people trying to use the "best" characters skip right past Yoshi and go to Sheik or Diddy anyway. Charizard is also notoriously easy to kill people with in lag conditions due to the increased difficulty in dodging Flare Blitz.

Of course, your point about early tier lists being inaccurate is completely valid. Strategies and character preferences change over time, and we also have balance patches to influence it this time around. But it has nothing to do with Conquest.

What he said

 

[dbzeenx]

Well what is true is that people usually choose characters that are OP or used in tier lists...

 

[Raijinken]

Well what is true is that people usually choose characters that are OP or used in tier lists...

I agree, but in-person matches are different from online. It may also help that Charizard was also in the previous Conquest, and Pokemon recently was released. And again, he's far easier to use well than Yoshi is.

 

[Zilla-G]

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I agree, but in-person matches are different from online. It may also help that Charizard was also in the previous Conquest, and Pokemon recently was released. And again, he's far easier to use well than Yoshi is.

ijinken, post: 18129100, member: 227222"]I agree, but in-person matches are different from online. It may also help that Charizard was also in the previous Conquest, and Pokemon recently was released. And again, he's far easier to use well than Yoshi is.[/quote]
Its a matter of opinion....in my case(opinion)...i agree..do to the fact that speedy characters (like yoshi) maybe have more of a speed "opinion"...but power players are just as deadly as speed players..it all comes down to creativity and time spent practicing...a really good dk or bowser(despite speed buff) can be just as good as a ZZS or a CF player

 

[Captain Norris]

Just cause it one overall doesn't mean they won more matches.
conquest mode is terrible and broken because you always want to get the most points from free-for-alls.
Yoshi is way better than 'zard, and pretty much can check most of 'zard's approaching options.

 

[Loken]

Yoshi is actually remarkably unpopular considering how good he is in Smash 4.

 

[JayTheUnseen]

I agree, but in-person matches are different from online. It may also help that Charizard was also in the previous Conquest, and Pokemon recently was released. And again, he's far easier to use well than Yoshi is.

Not tryin to argue,but that Side B spam attraction is strong for some

 

[ImReallyFeelingIt]

Surprised some people care about Conquest as if it makes a difference in characters.

 

[genesis_SOC]

To be fair Charizard is way better than people think. He's had some solid tourney success. He's lower mid tier at least.

Link and Ike continue to do bad in tournies however, Ryuga just can't make it work consistently enough.