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Autumn ♫

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Where have you been? There has not been enough Vaati in my life.
At home, not wanting to use my Wii U for SmashBoards since it's painfully slow. My family isn't home for the rest of the day so I'm just using their laptop for today. I'll get a new laptop whenever I find one that I think is good, which may be a while, due to my lack of knowledge of computers.
 

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@ StormC StormC this want chart is outdated anyway, Snake has been rerated a few days ago and is now in the top 10 of want...



...and above everyone besides Wolf and King K. Rool. I think this is another proof of his popularity.
Just saying.
 

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Rosalina was never a good argument against it, however.
Like I said, the leaker listed characters in separate intervals.

Rosalina wasn't in the first interval and was revealed before the second interval, making it redundant to mention her within that interval.
Speaking of Rosalina and Chrom....

Maybe Sakurai added Rosalina instead of adding you know who for the same reason. "Too similar" to Peach.
 
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Speaking of Rosalina and Chrom....

Maybe Sakurai added Rosalina instead of adding you know who for the same reason. "Too similar" to Peach.
I doubt that it was ever a case of Rosalina vs. Daisy like it was with Robin vs. Chrom.
 

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But James Bond was considered for Melee! That obviously means that every non-video game character is possible! :troll:
I wish that happened so we could have had Bond vs Snake (especially after MGS3 (yeah that was Big Boss not Solid Snake but whatever)).
Also this:
 
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I don't think that you-know-who was even considered.
She was probably never considered...

But one interesting thing of note (that might or might not mean nothing) is the item trophy characters in Smash Tour.

We have Timmy and Tommy, Tetra, Dixie Kong, Proto Man, Magnus, Mecha Fiora, Sonic and the Black Knight (Fire Emblem) and Baseball Daisy.

I know it isn't "in the flesh", but these characters have some form of representation.
 

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Speaking of Rosalina and Chrom....

Maybe Sakurai added Rosalina instead of adding you know who for the same reason. "Too similar" to Peach.
It's like no one in the Smash dev team ever knew about the Mario Strikers games.
 

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It's like no one in the Smash dev team ever knew about the Mario Strikers games.
All references to it were completely axed in Smash 4. What's interesting about Brawl's trophies is that Striker Daisy was the only form of Daisy as a trophy. And solo Daisy in Subspace (sticker) was her Striker outfit. Peach's palette swap also outright removed the flower details.

Now this might not mean anything, as she wasn't in the fighter files at all. But it is an interesting tidbit.
 

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Snake more likely than Isaac or Bandana Dee? No way.



Sakurai literally said everything from here on out is fanservice and opened a ballot to hear fighter suggestions.

Are we still hung up on "Sakurai is Willy Wonka?" He has made it clear many times he listens to fans and it shows with a lot of his character inclusions. This is nonsense.
Sir, I'm saying that characters that many people want may not happen. That's all I'm saying. Don't be over confident and expect characters to make it, because when it doesn't happen, it hurts. What I'm basically saying is, don't expect your favorites to make it, that way it'll be a good surprise if they do make it, and it won't sting as much if they don't. Sakurai is strange. His idea of "fanservice" is probably the return of Young Link for all I know. Also, many of the "most likely" characters are people I don't want anyway. So either way, I'm going to be disappointed. That's why I gave up on wanting certain characters to make it. What's "fanservice" for you and others may not be "fanservice" for me.

Fanservice for me would be characters like Takamaru, Isaac, Bomberman, and Lip. I doubt really any of them are going to happen or have much of a shot at all. Isaac is the only one that might happen, and I even doubt that.
 

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I mean, the logical conclusion from "fanservice" is that he would add the most popular characters which means they would please the most people...and the ballot gives him the opportunity to measure said popularity.

Whether or not you like the popular picks has no real bearing on what most of the population wants. Personally, K. Rool, Snake and Wolf are my top 3 and the rest are all over the place. So if you're just salty that your favorites aren't popular...sorry? That's the nature of the beast with DLC.
 

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My personal most wanted characters include Bandana Dee, Adeleine, King K. Rool and Micaiah.

But only one is wanted for everybody.
 

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I really can't see Snake returning anymore, with Kojima leaving Konami. I definitely wouldn't mind seeing him back though, especially as my 2nd most wanted character.
 

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I mean, the logical conclusion from "fanservice" is that he would add the most popular characters which means they would please the most people...and the ballot gives him the opportunity to measure said popularity.

Whether or not you like the popular picks has no real bearing on what most of the population wants. Personally, K. Rool, Snake and Wolf are my top 3 and the rest are all over the place. So if you're just salty that your favorites aren't popular...sorry? That's the nature of the beast with DLC.
Wouldn't say I'm "salty", just a little disappointed with some of the character choices. I actually don't care for K. Rool, Snake or Wolf, but I know many people want them. If they happen, I'll be happy for those who wanted them. As for the characters I want? Eh, they'll probably not happen, and that's fine. As long everyone else is reasonably happy, I guess I should be too with whatever the outcome of all this is.
 

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Most everyone agrees Isaac is the most likely newcomer after K. Rool so I wouldn't say you have nothing to look forward to.
 

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Most everyone agrees Isaac is the most likely newcomer after K. Rool so I wouldn't say you have nothing to look forward to.
It's possible, I suppose. I'm not getting my hopes up, though. In any case, I did get Mega Man in this game, so even if no one else I like makes it, that's at least enough to make me happy when all's said and done.
 

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See, DLC has to sell, so to overturn an objective measure of "who will sell," aka popularity, the team would need a darn good reason to do so (such as that character being owned by a third party or being Ridley levels of difficult to develop). If a character has none of those obstacles, odds are they won't get snubbed just based on developer preferences. Heck, as much as Sakurai's bias gets (rightly) questioned, he hasn't added "the character he wanted most in Smash 2" even fourteen years later (Mach Rider) nor his favorite Fire Emblem lord in Nabarl (or however you spell it).
 
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Yes, because the fact we have a ballot in which people send in characters they truly want to see, Sakurai would think "Better make Young Link playable instead of K.Rool"
In case you couldn't tell, that was a joke. I was saying that Sakurai's "fanservice" might not be what we expect. Or maybe I'm just stupid and Sakurai will grant everyone's wishes and dreams perfectly and we'll all skip happily into the sunset.
 

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In case you couldn't tell, that was a joke. I was saying that Sakurai's "fanservice" might not be what we expect. Or maybe I'm just stupid and Sakurai will grant everyone's wishes and dreams perfectly and we'll all skip happily into the sunset.
Problem with your statement. Sakurai has access to the ballot results. How would he not know who people want? When he says fanservice, he likely means popular requests, he'd know who these are because of the ballot
 

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King K. Rool and Isaac both seem as top contenders this time around. Paper Mario, Bandana Waddle Dee, and Inkling would all make great choices for DLC as well. As long as at least two them end up being playable by Smash DLC's end, I'll be completely content with the wait until Smash 5... Smash 5 with a new director is the only way we're going to get Ridley at this point... Sakurai, you Too Biggot... :urg:

Do people still vote for Shovel Knight and Shantae, by the way? I don't understand the line of thinking behind that. They're third-parties that have only been around since after the millennium, haven't done anything significant to innovate the platforming genre, and have nonexistent support in Japan. They're likeable and have existent fanbases, sure, but do people really think they deserve spots over the other first-party big-names like K. Rool and being grouped in the same batch as gaming icons like Pac-Man, Ryu, and Sonic?
 
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Do people still vote for Shovel Knight and Shantae, by the way? I don't understand the line of thinking behind that. They're third-parties that have only been around since after the millennium, haven't done anything significant to innovate the platforming genre, and have nonexistent support in Japan. They're likeable and have existent fanbases, sure, but do people really think they deserve spots over the other first-party big-names like K. Rool and being grouped in the same batch as gaming icons like Pac-Man, Ryu, and Sonic?
Shantae is still popular here and there. Shovel Knight support has nearly died down.

But yes, people just want to see their favs in Smash. (Hey, I'd still take Goku.)
 

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Problem with your statement. Sakurai has access to the ballot results. How would he not know who people want? When he says fanservice, he likely means popular requests, he'd know who these are because of the ballot
That's true. I'm just not going to fully expect all the most popular characters to make it. Expectations lead to disappointment. For some odd reason, he might not add all the most popular characters, or maybe he will. Either way, I'm not going to act like these popular characters have it in the bag.

I'm just pessimistic, so don't mind me.
 
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That's true. I'm just not going to fully expect all the most popular characters to make it. Expectations lead to disappointment. For some odd reason, he might not add all the most popular characters, or maybe he will. Either way, I'm not going to act like these popular characters have it in the bag.

I'm just a pessimistic, so don't mind me.
ooooh, that's what you meant! Your wording confused me, I highly doubt that we'll get THE most requested characters, but it makes sense to add them. Being a pessimist can be a good thing, otherwise I wouldn't be able to give the finger to people who called me ******** for saying Chrom wouldn't be playable
 

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Shantae is still popular here and there. Shovel Knight support has nearly died down.

But yes, people just want to see their favs in Smash. (Hey, I'd still take Goku.)
Just bothers me I guess that people want to use their votes on a third-party who is, for all intents and purposes, more of a fad than they are an icon. The Shantae games are really good, but that doesn't immediately justify putting her in Smash Bros. In terms of representing Nintendo's history and having fundamentally unique gameplay, Shantae doesn't particularly do either as well as the myriad of other options still out there.

We already got Goku, by the way.
 
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Yeah, I don't think Sakurai is just gonna hit a checkmark next to all of the most popular candidates, but ones like K. Rool and Isaac stand as the most likely when you clear out characters who have third party and/or development issues holding them back.
 

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King K. Rool and Isaac both seem as top contenders this time around. Paper Mario, Bandana Waddle Dee, and Inkling would all make great choices for DLC as well. As long as at least two them end up being playable by Smash DLC's end, I'll be completely content with the wait until Smash 5...Smash 5 with a new director is the only way we're going to get Ridley at this point... Sakurai, you Too Biggot... :urg:
Sakurai is more than just a too bigot, he's a Class A troll.
 

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Sakurai is more than just a too bigot, he's a Class A troll.
And at least Chrom got, "Well we had him planned for a bit but Robin turned out to be more interesting"
All Ridley got was "I felt he worked better as a Boss" no "Well we tried to make him playable but it was difficult"

 
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So when looking at represented franchises in Smash, and balancing sales with history, popularity, and impact... is this accurate?

S Tier
Mario

A Tier
Pokemon
Zelda
Wii

B Tier
Donkey Kong
Kirby
Metroid

C Tier
Animal Crossing
Star Fox
Fire Emblem

D Tier
(the rest)

Not necessarily indicative of how they're represented in Smash, but if people were to rank the series' importance, would this be about accurate to y'all?

Wii is kinda a combination of Wii Fit, Miis, and any other miscellaneous Wii brand content.
 

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So when looking at represented franchises in Smash, and balancing sales with history, popularity, and impact... is this accurate?

S Tier
Mario

A Tier
Pokemon
Zelda
Wii

B Tier
Donkey Kong
Kirby
Metroid

C Tier
Animal Crossing
Star Fox
Fire Emblem

D Tier
(the rest)

Not necessarily indicative of how they're represented in Smash, but if people were to rank the series' importance, would this be about accurate to y'all?

Wii is kinda a combination of Wii Fit, Miis, and any other miscellaneous Wii brand content.
About right. I have my own thoughts that Zelda should be right next to Mario, given how much positive attention it repetitively gets from the gaming community/business as a whole.
 

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Honestly I'd put Pokemon as S tier as well. I think it beats Mario in average sales per game and is still head and shoulders above the other A tiers.
 

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Animal Crossing should be one tier higher, the franchise has certainly gone up the ranks to Kirby and Metroid with its 4 successful games.
Yeah, Animal Crossing is in kind of a weird place. It's newer than the other series and has less games, but has sold really damn well proportionately. I mostly would place it slightly lower because I don't think the average person would recognize Animal Crossing before Kirby and Metroid (but in Metroid's case that might ironically be because of its inclusion in Smash).
 
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I'm highly confident that AC is very popular, especially with this being targeted at the casual audience.
It's got 2 spinoffs and 4 main games, I'm highly sure it's well known to most people.

About right. I have my own thoughts that Zelda should be right next to Mario, given how much positive attention it repetitively gets from the gaming community/business as a whole.
Are you the guy who posted the ZSS Gamepad Miiverse drawing. :L
I just saw it recently when I was updating the Miiverse Drawings thread.
 
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