Ashunera’s Library - General Discussion, Q&A and Index

[PentaSalia]

i like when people think G&W is an easy character to pick up,lulz:D

 

[YagamiLight]

"The ease to play as your character justifies any losses I may incur against it."

Or something along the lines of that.

Seriously though, each character in this game has individual combo moves, separate techs, hitbox sizes and frame data. You can't instantly switch from one to another without some sort of lingering effect (unless you have used both for a very long time). I think that every character is easy at a casual level (where you don't need to know most of the above, just know that "Ike has a giant sword") and that every character is difficult enough at a high level of play where mistakes do get punished. Hard.

The main difference between characters in high level play is the reward you get for using them. Meta Knight gets more reward for the same amount of usage time as Link does.

^All imo.

 

[Heartstring]

"The ease to play as your character justifies any losses I may incur against it."

Or something along the lines of that.

Seriously though, each character in this game has individual combo moves, separate techs, hitbox sizes and frame data. You can't instantly switch from one to another without some sort of lingering effect (unless you have used both for a very long time). I think that every character is easy at a casual level (where you don't need to know most of the above, just know that "Ike has a giant sword") and that every character is difficult enough at a high level of play where mistakes do get punished. Hard.

The main difference between characters in high level play is the reward you get for using them. Meta Knight gets more reward for the same amount of usage time as Link does.

^All imo.

this man must surely take philosophy!
its very true though, but of course i think people need to be 'in tune' with their respective character if you get what i mean, for example, i picked up ike and got the hang of him pretty quickly, but i cannot for the life of me use metaknight(which is wierd cause i thought everyone could use him) or dedede despite them theoretically being easier to play well, so certain people get higher rewards with certain characters, if you get me

 

[jamlosingthegame]

Noob here again. Just a question about the way I play. I sometimes run at my opponent, turn quickly(right word?), and set up a u-smash so that I hit with the end of the attack. Is this good? Please note that I am still a noob, fighting other noobs. And by turn quickly, I'm talking about the same way for setting up a bair rush or whatever it was called.

 

[Heartstring]

Noob here again. Just a question about the way I play. I sometimes run at my opponent, turn quickly(right word?), and set up a u-smash so that I hit with the end of the attack. Is this good? Please note that I am still a noob, fighting other noobs. And by turn quickly, I'm talking about the same way for setting up a bair rush or whatever it was called.

you mean reverse ariel rush, and i wouldnt really call it a decent approach, only for killing, but its probably ok for killing because the back end of the attack is longer range than the front

 

[san.]

make sure that you jump after the pivot when performing the upsmash. I would find the most use in this when the opponent is near the edge of the stage. There's not much of a risk doing it then. Just be wary of the extra time needed to pivot before the actual upsmash is able to come out.

 

[jamlosingthegame]

Thanks. Also, how much extra time do you think it takes compared to just regularly setting it up. Me still being a noob can barely see any difference of time between the two.

 

[Heartstring]

Thanks. Also, how much extra time do you think it takes compared to just regularly setting it up. Me still being a noob can barely see any difference of time between the two.

=__= i THINK we's being trolled here...

regardless, buffering the RAR(reverse ariel rush) is a lot faster than regularly approaching facing backwards

 

[san.]

It doesn't matter, since he's probably mostly telling the truth anyways even if it's just trolling lol. I'm just bored studying for Diff Eq final anyways =/

 

[jamlosingthegame]

I'm sorry if you guys feel trolled (unless you're just looking at my avatar). Just trying to get better at my Ike. But I don't think it will go anywhere in my current situation.

 

[Ussi]

Noob here again. Just a question about the way I play. I sometimes run at my opponent, turn quickly(right word?), and set up a u-smash so that I hit with the end of the attack. Is this good? Please note that I am still a noob, fighting other noobs. And by turn quickly, I'm talking about the same way for setting up a bair rush or whatever it was called.

This is the proper way to usmash. Front side of usmash is very very punishable but backside is not as much. (Comparison: Front side get's DK fsmash'd, backside does NOT)

 

[theeboredone]

=__= i THINK we's being trolled here...

regardless, buffering the RAR(reverse ariel rush) is a lot faster than regularly approaching facing backwards

Do you even know the definition of trolling? He's not trolling. If he's attempting to, that's the weakest trolling I've ever seen.

 

[-RedX-]

WHOBO2 Low Tier GF Ally vs San
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNGN4O9uwZc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2-XdraRP9w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWJc3peznpo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2yroM14SoY

Was looking for these. -.-

 

[Xyro77]

whahahahahaahahhhahah

whats up, guys

 

[Ussi]

San vs Xyro is forever gone isn't it ;~;? I wanna see Xyro get his *** bitten by a klap trap DX

 

[theeboredone]

Wow, the audio sync is so bad in that first video.

 

[san.]

Lol, the vids have been up for at least a couple days already. I was so tired/out of it before the match, had to try to focus again for the next 10 mins.

 

[jamlosingthegame]

Wow. When I compare my games to those, I feel like mine is so much slower-moving.

 

[Mr. Doom]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND-yi3IPKXM
YouTube amplified the sound 300%. It's recommended that you turn it down.

 

[Ussi]

your Ike can teleport.... seriously wtf on MK's uair

 

[Heartstring]

your Ike can teleport.... seriously wtf on MK's uair

how can sdi do THAT much for you? srsly, you must mash in a direction like 10 times im half a second

edit: oh wait, forgot what i was gonna ask XP
yeah, what the best way for ike to capitalise on fox's insane falling speed? i cant seem to do anything in that matchup, sadly the fox main i always seem to come up against is an ex-ike main, so he knows the moveset well and such

 

[metroid1117]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND-yi3IPKXM
YouTube amplified the sound 300%. It's recommended that you turn it down.

Your SDI is ridiculous.

 

[YagamiLight]

edit: oh wait, forgot what i was gonna ask XP
yeah, what the best way for ike to capitalise on fox's insane falling speed? i cant seem to do anything in that matchup, sadly the fox main i always seem to come up against is an ex-ike main, so he knows the moveset well and such

Here is how to capitalize on Fox's fall speed:

Jab
Any Throw

Physics is helping you. You just don't know it.

Speaking of physics, I actually have to go to class today. Worst birthday ever. Also, I need advice: How do you typically respond to the mass of Facebook "Happy Birthday" posts that usually occur. Do I answer all of them or just the large ones / ones with questions? Every year I have this problem. I figured I might as well ask you guys.

 

[san.]

How can your fingers move so fast for that o_O

@Golden: When fox is above you, it's really best just to get out of the way, and use aerials from afar. It's much easier to rely on jab and retreating nairs in this match, cause of fox's movement speed. Fox isn't that hard to jab.


Happy birthday Light! It could be worse, at least it's just class and not a final =). I try to respond to as many as I can, making more personal posts to the people I know better.

 

[Mr. Doom]

I don't think my fingers are moving that fast. There have been some guys who would come up to me and tell me they're going to watch my controller when I SDI like that.

 

[Ussi]

o_O why are there always so many birthdays in May! I know for a fact I'm sharing my birthday (which is this friday) with two other pikachu mains @_@

 

[bladeboys]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND-yi3IPKXM
YouTube amplified the sound 300%. It's recommended that you turn it down.

Nice vid dude, it was pretty amazing lol

 

[Nidtendofreak]

....How the heck do you do that? You must break your controller to be able to SDI like CPUs.

 

[Ussi]

Now learn to shield SDI and show us the glorys of that

 

[Shinde425]

Alright, I'm volunteering Mr. Doom to have a SDI teaching class. I'd attend. =)

o_O why are there always so many birthdays in May! I know for a fact I'm sharing my birthday (which is this friday) with two other pikachu mains @_@

Depends, what goes on 9 months prior?

 

[Mr. Doom]

Alright, I'm volunteering Mr. Doom to have a SDI teaching class. I'd attend. =)

Hmm... I could probably make a quick buck off this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUCNJ5ZML_0

 

[san.]

Guys, off the top, for me it's looking like

bair=fair=upair>=nair(ease of use)>dair

I tried getting hit by snake's uptilt on FD, and dair couldnt even let me survive at 130%

I tested it out with all the other aerials, and bair helped me live until 136%

On the sides, air dodge+ jump + QD helped me survive the longest too, but not by many % more than air dodge+jump.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

...That makes no sense though. Dair should let you FF the quickest.

 

[san.]

idk, try it out. Dair was the worst for me to survive. I'm wondering if it's the same for anyone else.

 

[-RedX-]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND-yi3IPKXM
YouTube amplified the sound 300%. It's recommended that you turn it down.

You must have fingers on your fingers. Seriously.

 

[san.]

That almost sounds like a bad Yo Dawg joke, Red-X lol

 

[-RedX-]

I tried. rofl

 

[Ussi]

ONLY reason i see bair doing so well is because it makes you DI side ways too which saves you from vertical attacks as well.

 

[san.]

@Ussi

... wat
I don't think aerials have any relation to which way you DI, because you can't use an aerial a good deal after you already DId an attack, + I used cstick to input the aerial and then fast fell with control stick.

Bair is just as good as upair, fair, and upair, but better than dair for me. It's also as good as nair, but it's harder to do with non-attack stick (I was CPU controlled) and when I used dair I just kept dying instead of surviving.

 

[Ussi]

well i'm thinking you are inputting bair at least somewhat during the time you get hit...

I find myself using uair all the time to survive off the side, mainly cause i am just trying to DI up so much