Apex Legends Mafia: Boosted GAME OVER Who won?

[Xivii]

Xivii is Frozen ever scum with his righteous anger rant about killing Bessie because her role doesn't exist?

It's unlikely to me.

I dissagree. You can't try and read Fonti on tone. Once Bessie pulled the "I'm going to be stubborn" card she can't undo it without looking further suspect. If Fonti is town then what, it's just wam-Trisspianrar? That's a suspiciously boring answer to this puzzle.

You're killing me.


I think Red Ryu is just indie here. There is an indie in this game.

 

[Xivii]

Alright let's speed lynch Wam now so we can have another flip. Although where the hell did Maven go.

 

[Xivii]

The 2D art of this game is so ****ing swag. Every time I look at the OP I'm just like swag.

 

[Xivii]

being able to dodge a single lethal action as scum is VERY beneficial and it's a power that isn't at all broken as scum and makes a lot of sense in both multiball games or games with 3rd party killers and/or vigs to help reduce crossfire volatility for a scum team that you don't want to get screwed by bad early game "luck" with being targeted by other killers

overall commuter is very low impact and so is a very easy role to assign to any faction and still benefit that faction. if you get shot at the wrong time e.g. pre MYLO/LYLO then your ability is essentially reduced to nothing because you won't come back in time to play with the benefit of your ability triggering and telling you someone is coming after you barring busdriver, but generally speaking it just makes one slot slightly harder to kill

So when you made that statement, did you think there was a vig in the game?

 

[Xivii]

lol Ryker were you waiting for me to change mine to change yours

 

[Vicarin]

What do you think of Maven's play today and at EoD yesterday?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

lol Ryker were you waiting for me to change mine to change yours

Always and forever

 

[Eido]

So, I think we should revisit Ryu's shot and look for clues there.

Bessie was Ryu's #1 target. I imagine Mafia (at this point) wanted to tempt Ryu in to a different shot, and save Bessie's flip so that it at least ended the Day, or extended her life to the next Day for one more use of her power.

Spoiler: The Gun

• Boom turned it to a vote, and wanted to shoot Frozen / Maven / Triss
• Fonti devised a plan to delay Bessie's shot by 1 Day. She wanted to shoot Frozen.
• Wam wanted the shot on Day 3. He agreed with Fonti's plan and said Ryu should shoot outside of "Bessie, Font, Wam, Vic, Mala".
• Maven / Xivii / Vic all wanted to shoot Frozen.
• Frozen wanted Bessie.

What's our take on the above? A lot of these names were also on the LaserGuy wagon (over Bessie's). Does this suggest Frozen was being set up in this scenario? Currently thinking about this situation, alongside EOD 1.

 

[Malakandra]

Frozen town.

 

[fontisian]

Frozen town.

 

[Xivii]

But just for you, next time I will try to do my reads in rhyming couplets.

lol I just made the connection between this and the rhyme post

 

[Malakandra]

really? why did you think he did that lol

 

[BoomFrog]

Lock town
Malakandra
Eido
Ryker
Xivii
Vicarin

Pretty town
Red Ryu
FrozenFlame
Maven89

PoE
BoomFrog
Sapoycar
Wam
Fontisian

Whatever, I'm obviously not going to convince anyone toDay. Just please yeet Fonti before anyone in that middle group.

 

[Vicarin]

How on earth does Maven make the Pretty Town group?

 

[Wam]

If Wam is scum, he is the roleblocker.

And if I'm scum rb who did I target last night?

 

[Xivii]

Day 1 Scummate Analysis +

Red Ryu

Crossover. You were Mario, Mafia Doctor who left notes. I was one your buddies. Ring a bell?

....I wish I could recall this.;_;

my memory is god awful it seems

Unlikey mates with Triss.

is Sabrar very experienced? Ohh that changes how I view earlier content then.....how much experience do they have?

Unlikely mates with Triss.

Sabrar’s been playing for about four or five years. Including with you. Crossover Mafia on xkcd the game I already linked for you in my Fluffy Post .
It’s the same game in which Sabrar was your was your scum partner, as he pointed out in this post .

Probably not mates.

Smashboards is blocked at my job and I cannot have my phone out at work normally. Grant most people are working from home but still I focus on work. I go off memory now.

Between Laser and Wam I would do Wam every situation at this point. I don't see why people are caling laser scum when I see his thought process step by step. I have an idea where his head is at. I don't agree with Fonti in the sense that I see the mindset and he is showing intent to find scum better than most players imo. His initial push on bessie where I do not agree with why they called bessie out I at least understood what he saw. I think a call out like that over the color stuff is more likely to come from town than scum.

Wam on the other hand is giving more of a IDGAF attitude but in turn is also being very unhelpful in his focus with people. His questionaire seems less focused on finding scum and more centered on himself.

I still would prefer we off Bessie over anyone at this point.

Guys Ryu isn't mates with bessie.

Hell yeah my dream came true!

I would only feel good moving to wam if need be but I stand on sticking to Bessie

This isn't theater. Ryu isn't mates with bessie and wam.

I have a question on this.

I can see why you voted with Sabrar in mind, but why was the double voter the thing you questioned and not the mason.

Disregarding Ryker's play, the mason would be the first thing I would question given our current situation in a vacuum. Why would a double voter draw your attention?

What a townie thing to say.

Boom's "Ryu you predictable ****" post highly indicates that they are not mates.

Conclusion: Ryu is not mates with Boom or Triss or bessie


Wam

Because it comes across as trying to avoid attention. Which is scummy town dont care if they have attention.

This is just scum.

That's weird coming from you, because eariler you agreed with fonti's opinion on the mass claim. Is that not content? If so, is the entire discussion about the mass claim not content, or just fonti's post about it? Why?

I"m just noting this post to think about.

bro you look very bad/negligent for this and I'm refraining from saying why because I quickly realize maven saying that could just have easily been a bait as it could be an RVS style joke

Frozen not mates with wam.

Wam also falls into this category, I've seen more effort from Wam in these first 5 pages then I think I saw from wam from D3 to endgame in Things I Like. I generally feel like Wam is actually digging here but the contrast from Things I Like bothers me considering he was town there despite looking hella scummy by play. I'm left wondering if he's overcompensating for a vulnerability he feels as scum!Wam

Frozen not mates with wam.

Do you feel like there could be a contradiction here?

This has high mate potential with wam. [Go to the quote for the context]

Vote xivii

I havent seen a case that thourpigh my sabrar day 1 as town for a long time. So I'm convinced 1 of them is scum. Good news if XV flips scum sabrar is town.

This seems too overt for them to be mates though.

How do you know 2 are wrong?

Guess.

No

I think ultimately Triss and Wam are probably not likely aligned from this.

No, fonti's reaction is perfectly reasonable here.

And this

So you think town is stacked enough to make a mafia double voter balance?

Actually wth? What's with these two low-key defending each other.

#HBC | Ryker

Further to this town must be stacked for a double voter to work. How does a mass claim help there?

This is incredibly scummy. We had masons and IC at this point.

Come again how does talking to the person I'm voting make me scum? Genuine question I dont see the logic there at all.

This is a small thing, but I I think the second line comes from the point of view of scum. He knows he's scum, but doesn't get how Fonti's reasoning leads to that conclusion.

Conclusion: Wam is likely scum. He is not mates with Frozen. And probably not an informed partner with Triss-Sabrar. They both were defensive of each other though. Wam's is a little too overt I think to be partner indicative, but I think there's a good chance, Sabrar was subtly trying to dissuade the Wam wagon. See more in the Triss section for what I mean.


Vic

I was actually interested in wam's guesses but since you volunteered you can take his place.

Triss and Vic probably not mates.

Thank you for providing that guess. I'll be awaiting your claim with renewed interest, whenever that may happen.

I really want to know what Sabrar meant by this. Sabrar if there's a green room, could you explain this?

Town

Vicarin
Malakandra
Ryker
Fontisian
Eido
Somitomi
LaserGuy
Bessie
FrozenFlame
Wam
Sabrar/UtopianPoyzin
Maven89
Xivii
RedRyu

Scum

This looks quite bad for Vic. Wam and bessie are in standard mate spots, and the list appears to be out of sync with everyone else's. UP was talking about how everyone's reads seemed to in sync, but Vic's and bessie's were both off. Although I think Laser's was as well. #theflipwasahoax

Has mostly been careening around trying to find people to push apparently. First, Fontisian, until it was apparent that they were being town read by most players, before switching to Xivii after Sabrar's case. Puts out his reads list after, with Maven Bessie and me at the bottom, while still voting for Xivii, who is 6th scummiest by his reckoning, and Fontisian at 5th. After Fontisian starts pushing on him, switches his vote back to Fontisian where it is currently. All in all, his voting patterns seem completely detached from how he claims to be reading people. This strongly suggests that he's much more focused on someone to push instead of himself that might be able to draw other people's votes rather than actually scum hunting and driving against people he views as scummy. Pretty damn scummy.

This also looks really bad. Vic had Wam as hard scum, but Laser only as relatively scummy, yet Vic voted Laser.

What on earth is this setup???

Vic's reaction to wam's claim. This is evidence against my suspicion, which I'm going to conveniently ignore.

Conclusion: There is a good chance that Vic is scum. And that he is partners with wam.


Triss

are we playing with the same Sabrar from Things I Like? why was I expecting you to specifically refuse to answer that question until later

Frozen isn't mates with Triss. [Also see his questioning Sabrar's LAMIST opening]

I normally would say wam but I've got one town-ping from him this game and my first choice for lynch wants him dead. That's enough to make me reconsider. I have no specific scum-pings from others, I think Vic is town and so are you. Eido is doing well for a newbie, fonti is differently town than in previous scum-games. I have no idea where Xivii gets his locktown read on Ryu, if I had to choose someone else right now it would be him because he's done nothing useful this game. And on that note

This post is still really suspicious to me.

Vote: Wam

Malakandra
Ryker
Red Ryu
Fontisian
Xivii
LaserGuy
Somitomi
FrozenFlame
Maven
Eido
Vicarin
Wam
Bessie

These look really good for the slot, but also feels sort of TMI considering UP indicated that he hadn't read everything (he didn't know about the mason claim). But if Wam is scum, I like the way UP interacted around it, going back to wam unprompted here:

Unvote

Maven is more fine now

Vote: Wam

Back on the Wam train

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Ngl I can’t remember a time where Maven has said that he realizes how scummy he looks. That and he’s uncharacteristically talkative. Lastly, high doubt he only has one passive ability

Ftr, I have 2 abilities. My only other ability is a one-shot visit that removes my double vote, and Im not forced to use it.

I also think this is incredibly townie.

Wait, so Ryker claimed mason but NOT bessie? Interesting

This post here also makes me think UP's confusion about the mason claim was genuine. But what the hell, why is that read list so accurate? And Why is Ryker #2 if he didn't know about the mason claim?

I do see your pov on the puzzle part, but I enjoy more figuring out the game from night results and flips, rather than trying to use abilities to optimize strategy on D1.

This seems partnery, but the following post does not:

Like really? He’s not pushing very hard, he’s pushing very carefully. But perhaps he will push harder now, now that he sees it meets with your approval.

Ok yea, looking at this again, I feel fairly confident that bessie and Triss aren't mates. Or at least bessie doesn't know Triss is a mate. Bessie was trying to chip at Font's hard town read of UP.

Ok ok, so look. Fonti, hear me out. Look. Ok. Look. All my other proposals were just me being silly and exploratory, but here this out (im leaving that typo for triss ). The Triss-Up-Sabrar slot is weird. Like I'm having the hardest time sorting whether it is scum from interactions. But this post above highly indicates that bessie is not an informed mate of UP. However, UP's read list is very TMI. I think his bottom three (bessie, wam, and vic) are all mafia and that UP knew this. I think this slot is a Traitor.

Conclusion: Triss is not partners with Frozen. Triss is likely a Mafia Traitor or town. Bessie is not an informed partner with Triss. Triss should only be lynched if all other suspects have been exhausted.


Maven

There’s not one other post in this entire game that you would consider fluffier? Not one? Even Maven’s #193 which is his entire game content thus far?

I'm not ready to do a complete reads list. Ask Maven for his.

Maven and bessie are certainly not mates. Bessie was frustrated that she was being called out for lack of content when Maven had less than her. These are responses to Frozen and Ryu and also indicate that they are not bessie's mates.

Hold up

We have an innocent child, and a masonry?

That means we have nearly 1/3rd to 1/4th of the town cleared right from the start of the game?

That seems hella suspicious.

This is so obvtown.

I don’t see a world where Ryker is town and lied about being a mason when we already have an innocent child

I really like Ryker’s content, but his claim does raise issues that were not apparent to me until recently ( I was at work placing rodent bait and suddenly thought “wait a minute...”), but I also hate hate hate trying to make pushes based off game balance, especially early in the game. For all we know having 1/3rd or so town players cleared is balanced in the game. It’s also possible the game is just unbalanced, or the towns advantage is only in clears and weak PRs. I honestly have zero idea. This is basically a lot of words to say that I’m not pushing or voting Ryker today, but I’m definitely not viewing him as being mason-cleared anymore. I’m going to treat him as town until he gives me a reason not to.

Font, you have suddenly buddied me really, really hard and it’s unnerving.

Look at this chain of posts. He's thinking through things, not trying to remain consistent.

Yeah I’m not seeing Bessie lynch. I understand she hasn’t done much, but what she has done is point out the dumb points out against her, and almost nothing else. While I’m not town reading the slot I don’t see that close to being worthy of a day 1 lynch when we have Wam and Laser.

BoomFrog my reads are here https://smashboards.com/threads/ape...day-october-30th-6pm-est.507976/post-24144440

since then I had an epiphany about the oddness of masons and an IC and have been low keyed worried that Ryker might be taking us for a ride, but until we have any proof I’m still treating him as town based off of his content

Vote: Wam
I can see a world where Laser is town, I don’t see one where Wam is town

Town, town, town.

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Town.

Conclusion: Maven is town and certainly not mates with bessie.


Frozen

what's your take on her response my callout of the fluffyness? it's entirely deflection

I missed this earlier when reviewing Frozen/bessie. He was pushing suspicion on her harder than I initially thought.

Unvote: UtopianPoyzin
Vote: Wam

This was unprompted. Unlikely mates with wam.

ok wow why are we wagoning laser over him again with that claim? I just saw laser claimed tracker which makes way more sense

Town.

Conclusion: Again, Frozen is not mates with wam. And is likely town.


Boom

Bessie is not an option and wam is the top option against LaserGuy. Why not move your vote to wam to try to get your second choice yeet? Why do you not suspect LaserGuy? Also, Mala will be the only one to hammer.

Frankly, have you read the whole thread?

I think LaserGuy really is a tracker due to the way he interacted with Mala. That seems like a weak role for scum given how stacked town are. Unless he's like, a tracker plus something. But that's unlikely since he would be more worried about what Mala knew in that case. I'm inclined to trust Laser's claim.

Wam's claim is NAI. If it was his fake claim he'd have the same reaction.

I like these and think there's a good chance Boom is town.

Strongman exists. Wam should flip a coin and protect Mala on heads. That's enough deterrent to move the kill but also gives some chance to protect others.

How would Wam flipping a coin have been a deterrent for Strongman?

?????????

Well, you bring protective changes things. But if wam is town jailer and is now outed, scum could RB wam and ninja kill Mala.

If we have a watcher they should probably pick between wam and Mala.

You didn't answer my question though. Why did you say Mala probably wouldn't be able to be killed and then say that Wam refraining to use his action would lead to Mala being killed? I get the RB bit, but why did you initially say Mala probably couldn't be killed?

I think Bessie is about 50/50 here. So you're right, it comes down to my LaserGuy read.

I think laser believed Mala would clear him.

Vote Bessie

that's L-1

vote LaserGuy

You had a chance to be town and you threw it all away :(

Conclusion: Is BoomFrog


Plus+

And why did you respond to Red Ryu and FrozenFlame the way you did in Post #743 ?

bessie if there is a green room, could you let me know what you meant by this? Or just let me know post-game.

That's too bad. I have read very little of Vanilla Mafia.

I don't need your vote to yeet Wam or Laser, I already have the authority and positioning to make a decision there. What you have to offer me is 1. perspective, if you have any, which requires you understanding the complexity of the cases in a way that cannot be summed up in a few sentences or 2. analysis from you that I can use to clear you. You cannot offer either of those without catching up somewhat, and understanding the context, and me offering a list of truncated reasons would be pointless.

Catch up, and if I'm still in the game, we'll talk about it.

The aggression between the two of you is random as heck. What was with this response?

I AM HOLY, LUCKY, SIMPLE,

FIBONACCI, ODD, AND PRIME.

IN THIS RIDDLE YOU'LL FIND ME

PRECISELY NINETEEN TIMES.

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solve that riddle and combine the answer with first words.

P.S. don't actually waste your time on this humble servant.

Eh, Its probably time to drop it anyway. My "Scumlean" on frozen was mainly flowery wording and meta because I don't actually have a scum lean on them. My actual read is Eh town at this point, they have definitely shown moments of passion in their posts and none of their analysis has rubbed me the wrong way. I do think this in their scum range though.

Reason for my fake read was too see if scum would jump on it. The closest I got was these posts by Xivii and Fonti, but after repeated mentioning of being down to wagon FF I haven't got so much as a vote. I saw your earlier question Eido, I just ignored it because I knew I couldn't bring up fake quotes to support it.

Nice.

Three was some stuff I missed from Day 1 so I didn't see this before.

So if you want anything from me mows your chance.

Sigma? giraffelasergun

What do you think of Maven's play today and at EoD yesterday?

He's most certainly town (see above).

really? why did you think he did that lol

I'm not sure, it just didn't register lol.

tl;dr: the scum team is bessie, Wam, and Vic with Triss as Traitor. Sheep me for easy win.

 

[Trisscar]

im leaving that typo for triss

mmmmm orly. Nah that's actually still grammatically correct I think.

However, UP's read list is very TMI.

shrrruuuug? I guess if they were trying to signal or something? Seems dangerous though, feel like other ways might be better.
Only seen UP in maf as host, how's their play if anyone happens to know?

 

[Trisscar]

Also should probably note that Xivii is as close to locktown as I'm going to get at this point, cause they fought to shoot bessie, and from what I recall they've said they don't bus teammates because screw that, or something to that effect.

 

[Vicarin]

Xivii So I used my vanillarization on the IC and claimed something that would fall apart as soon as I got investigated or the IC dies, choosing to no-kill as well to support it?

Lol.

I also don't really understand the Maven read, you seem to have just said the word 'town' repeatedly. Now, I know you wouldn't form a read on flimsy evidence like just repeatedly asserting that someone is obvtown, so could you please walk me through it in more detail, emphasizing their play today and at EoD yesterday, which is what I asked about? For example, you've put "town" under a gif they posted booing Bessie reaching L-1, please explain?

 

[Vicarin]

We just sitting around until Wam or Boomfrog gets strung up then?

 

[Trisscar]

shrug Not like it's a good idea for me to vote randomly.

 

[Xivii]

Wait so what are your thoughts on the number of investigatives?

Can you answer this, Vicarin.

 

[BoomFrog]

really want to know what Sabrar meant by this. Sabrar Sabrar if there's a green room, could you explain this?

Sab knew your list had two mistakes because his power was listed under someone else's. Vic didn't, therefore Vic must have a power not assigned to someone else on the list.

I already double checked when I read that yesterday, Vic's power wasn't on the list.

 

[BoomFrog]

How would Wam flipping a coin have been a deterrent for Strongman?

I think that was two separate thoughts. The first was responding to someone (I think you) making some plan that assumed infallible protection, the second was just trying to optimize wam's play. I don't like plans that have 100% called targets since they are so easy to mess with.

You didn't answer my question though. Why did you say Mala probably wouldn't be able to be killed and then say that Wam refraining to use his action would lead to Mala being killed? I get the RB bit, but why did you initially say Mala probably couldn't be killed?

The assumption I was making was town had a jailer and a watcher, scum had a ninja a strongman and a roleblocker. In this scenario if wam is unrevealed as in the start of the game then Mala cannot be safely killed as both watcher and jailer could have protected Mala and scum don't know which to use between strongman and ninja. Mala cannot die.

Once wam was revealed then wam could be roleblocked and Mala killed safely by a ninja. Therefore wam's protection on Mala wasn't enough to guarantee protection. However, it's not useless if wam decides his target unpredictably then Mafia have to RB wam to make the kill safely. If wam 100% protects Mala then mafia can kill outside mala and RB freely.

You had a chance to be town and you threw it all away

 

[fontisian]

Vic's town because he blocked the kill.

Can we just kill Wam?

 

[Wam]

Vic's town because he blocked the kill.

Can we just kill Wam?

Why the rush? Also answer my questions !!!

 

[Eido]

We just sitting around until Wam or Boomfrog gets strung up then?

What are you thinking about Maven?

 

[fontisian]

Why the rush? Also answer my questions !!!

Your questions are nonsense. How am I supposed to answer who you would have roleblocked last Night? It could have been almost anyone.

 

[Chaco]

“Now you see me, now you don’t — Boom!”

Vote Count 2.4:
BoomFrog(2): RedRyu
Maven89(1): Vicarin
Wam(5):Fontisian, Xivii, Eido, Malakandra,Ryker



Not Voting(5): Wam, FrozenFlame, Trisscar, BoomFrog, Maven89



With 12 alive it takes 7 to Lynch.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

One day left let’s see.

 

[Xivii]

The aggression between the two of you is random as heck. What was with this response?

Fonti I'd like to know why you reacted to Boom so antagonistically before he had even started to voice suspicion of you.

The assumption I was making was town had a jailer and a watcher, scum had a ninja a strongman and a roleblocker.

What lead you to think there was a Town Watcher in a game with Masons, IC, and Tracker (who at that point, you believed was town)?

Once wam was revealed then wam could be roleblocked and Mala killed safely by a ninja. Therefore wam's protection on Mala wasn't enough to guarantee protection. However, it's not useless if wam decides his target unpredictably then Mafia have to RB wam to make the kill safely. If wam 100% protects Mala then mafia can kill outside mala and RB freely.

My statement was that Wam should withhold his action. You responded that that would guaranteed Mala was killed.

Here, you are saying that because Wam had been revealed, scum could RB him and ninja kill. So, whether Wam withheld or not, scum could safely kill Mala based on your belief about the roles. Scum being able to target outside of Mala isn't relevant to what I'm asking. So again, please explain your response that Wam withholding would guarantee that Mala was killed.

 

[fontisian]

Fonti I'd like to know why you reacted to Boom so antagonistically before he had even started to voice suspicion of you.

What lead you to think there was a Town Watcher in a game with Masons, IC, and Tracker (who at that point, you believed was town)?

My statement was that Wam should withhold his action. You responded that that would guaranteed Mala was killed.

Here, you are saying that because Wam had been revealed, scum could RB him and ninja kill. So, whether Wam withheld or not, scum could safely kill Mala based on your belief about the roles. Scum being able to target outside of Mala isn't relevant to what I'm asking. So again, please explain your response that Wam withholding would guarantee that Mala was killed.

Can you be more specific?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

So basically, it's PoE.

Mala, Xivii, Vic, Eido, and I are all things I'm unwilling to pursue. Ruy is also incredibly high on my list of things not to chase. My one request is to make sure Fonti doesn't get inserted into this group, lest we forget that until it became clear there wasn't support from the other larger voices in town, Font was in favor of saving Bessie for another phase. That's on top of being the heart of the Laser wagon, which was the Bessie counter wagon. I have absolutely no desire to chase that slot right now, but Font has been aiming to end up in that group all game and doesn't merit it unless Boom flips scum. That's my tinfoil hat paragraph.

Anyway, that is a LOT of people scum need to kill off. The order doesn't matter as much to me. I'm willing to continue icing slots who's behavior I don't like. I'll follow Eido for once and Vote Wam.

Chaco

I'm voting Wam.

 

[Xivii]

That's too bad. I have read very little of Vanilla Mafia.

I don't need your vote to yeet Wam or Laser, I already have the authority and positioning to make a decision there. What you have to offer me is 1. perspective, if you have any, which requires you understanding the complexity of the cases in a way that cannot be summed up in a few sentences or 2. analysis from you that I can use to clear you. You cannot offer either of those without catching up somewhat, and understanding the context, and me offering a list of truncated reasons would be pointless.

Boom asked you to list your reads with a few lines explaining them. You responded with a block of quotes and he said that wasn't helpful. Then you responded with this powertrip of a post, like wtf? The reaction was way disproportionate to Boom's request.

 

[fontisian]

He

Boom asked you to list your reads with a few lines explaining them. You responded with a block of quotes and he said that wasn't helpful. Then you responded with this powertrip of a post, like wtf? The reaction was way disproportionate to Boom's request.

He asked me for a few lines for /each read/. That's an excessive amount of work to ask when all he'd get out of it is a slightly earlier understanding of where I stood. I wasn't willing to sit down and put two hours going into depth on things I had already talked about when he wasn't willing to even look at the posts I had already taken the time to select for him.

Tl:dr He asked for a major effort from me so he could avoid a minor inconvience, and that annoyed me.

 

[Xivii]

He asked me for a few lines for /each read/. That's an excessive amount of work to ask when all he'd get out of it is a slightly earlier understanding of where I stood. I wasn't willing to sit down and put two hours going into depth on things I had already talked about when he wasn't willing to even look at the posts I had already taken the time to select for him.

Tl:dr He asked for a major effort from me so he could avoid a minor inconvience, and that annoyed me.

I shouldn't have said a few sentences, it was a sentence for each actually. This is what he asked:

Full town to scum list with a sentance about each would be appreciated.

He then simply stated that was unhelpful and asked if that pulling up those quotes was more effort than what he asked (i agree that seems like more effort than just listing your reads and providing some tl;dr reasoning).

So you were annoyed, Ok. I still don't get how that warranted a speech about your position in town. It just seems over the top. It kind of reminds me of when Sync called you out as scum at the EoD in TIL and you reacted in a similarly aggressive manner.

 

[fontisian]

I shouldn't have said a few sentences, it was a sentence for each actually. This is what he asked:
He then simply stated that was unhelpful and asked if that pulling up those quotes was more effort than what he asked (i agree that seems like more effort than just listing your reads and providing some tl;dr reasoning).

So you were annoyed, Ok. I still don't get how that warranted a speech about your position in town. It just seems over the top. It kind of reminds me of when Sync called you out as scum at the EoD in TIL and you reacted in a similarly aggressive manner.

Humm.

I think might be a difference in site expectation, but on DLP, asking someone for full reads with reasons means an entire wall with a short paragraph for each person (and preferably quote examples), so I thought he was asking for literal hours of work from me while refusing to spend a few minutes looking through some quotes.

 

[Trisscar]

Spoiler: Relevant to participation but not due to game itself

Welp, I've just been informed that I have two days to pack literally everything I'll need to be away for two months
my younger brother and I are going into quarantine (to make sure we don't have it) so we can go home for the holida
I was under the impression we had a month, until about 20 mins ago
I now need to inform literally everyone I've promised to do something with or for because I have no idea if I'll have good internet

tosses nearest heavy thing out nearest window

 

[Wam]

Been a long day and I should he asleep but..



Why does a scumm team with bessie in it have more motivation to kill malak than any scum team?

If I'm teammates with bessie explain this push?

Your questions are nonsense. How am I supposed to answer who you would have roleblocked last Night? It could have been almost anyone.

And the other questions above?

The reason I asked is as you predictwd why bessie had targeted malak because scum bessie was worried about you tracking her.

How does thay tally with me claiming I targeted malak. Surely I would be even more worried you had tracked me?

So by your own logic I must have tried to target malak if scum.

Let's talk about Bessie's role and what it means. She claimed to have targeted Mala with the parity cop ability. I suspect this is because she actually did target Mala, and was worried she had been tracked by me (if she thought I was potentially a backup type role and had used Laser's ability on her, the person I said was my strongest scumread if Laser flipped town).

We know that either 1. Mala was the kill, 2. Scum decided to no kill or 3. Some other factor came into play that stopped the kill. Of those, I think Mala being the kill is by far the most likely and the assumption we should be rolling with.

Assuming Chaco is allowing scum to both make an action and carry the kill, I think it's likely Bessie both tried to kill and watched. From the scumteam's pov, if Mala lives they get to see who protected him and figure out power roles, while also killing someone Bessie was likely very concerned about because of the hints Mala accidentally dropped about Laser and Wam's roles. (Bessie was very paranoid about town prs when we were scum together previously, and got specific ideas for what town had to be in her head. I can easily see her doing that with Mala here and feeling like she had to kill him.)

That means that the scum team went into the Day knowing that Vicarin had saved Mala, which in turn means that Wam is not clear. It is possible that scum!Wam targeted someone else with his ability (which works as he has claimed) and was worried that he would be caught in a lie if later on he targeted someone a town!pr was unable to get through to that person (because his ability prevents all other abilities from acting on them). While killing Mala looks bad for Wam, it's possible Bessie wanted to kill Mala badly enough that they went for it anyway.

Given your not even thinking this theoguh I'm convinced your scum pushing the lynch of the one role your worried about. You have already stated you dont view ic or masons as a scum challenge.

 

[Wam]

Vote fontisan

When I get lynched please remeber the above.