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Duck Hunt shouldn't be used as a starter. It randomly blocks projectiles thanks to the ducks, the dog is super troll, and the tree on the left makes it difficult for characters like Mac.
Lylat's tilting isn't random, it follows the same pattern every time for the current background. It's a complex pattern to be sure, but it's a consistent thing.
Could you go into more detail? The ducks are akin to Shy Guys or Balloons, I don't know what "super troll" means, and Mac can still reach the tree
The ducks appear quite frequently throughout the stage and will intercept projectiles as they fly around. I am not sure if they have a predictable pattern or not, but they present an issue to characters that rely on projectiles. It's worse than Shy Guys. The dog also will (seemingly) randomly pop up in the middle of the stage which will cause characters below the spawn point to also move upward, which disturbs the match. I wouldn't say this is cause for banning the stage or anything, but it's not starter material in my view.
IDK about the ducks' flight patterns yet but the dog only pops up when a) all ducks are hit or b) any remaining ducks fly offscreen, which is signalled by the "Fly Away" text in the middle of the screen. His exact location I believe is random but it's easy to know when he's about to appear.
I'll keep this in mind when I cover Duck Hunt (it'll be soon, just don't know when) and see if I can verify.
Let it be know the tilts are NOT raandom. They have set patterns based on the background of the stage. So it's not whimsical at all, if you areally have stage knowledge you can pop someone off the stage knowing right when the tilt will send them to their death.
From my personal study, this is correct. At a bare minimum I KNOW you can control where the dog will come by killing the final duck. Stage knowledge makes the dog not only irrelevant but also makes it so Little Mac and Ganon can kill a duck, use the dog popping up to get them hear the top tree, and still have 2 jumps and an up special to work with. So not perfect, but not impossible to approach like folks think.
Ooh, that's interesting news.
If they're going to go through the trouble to make a bunch of sets that everyone will hate, why not just create 2-3 sets from the Standard Custom Moveset Project?
They're not, it only takes 30 seconds to make a mii fighter and players will just make them on the spot when they are needed. I'm sure that all 12 of the possible movesets amongst the 3 mii fighters won't all be made. So just make them if they're needed and they're already not there. As for the rest of the customs, that still requires the use of the 3DS, requiring the TO's to take the time to put them on every single wii u and to have a 3ds with all customs unlocked. I honestly think thats something we should push for next year, but at the very least letting the characters that have their moves already unlocked choose from 3 different loadouts is good enough. Honestly, as long as every one of their customs just gets to see the light of day in some form or another, its good. I think its an acceptable agreement for now.
Whoops, if I wasn't clear, I meant for Miis only as a replacement to 1111 2222 etc from the standard moveset thread. That's still extra work but if they were willing anyways..
Ah I see. Well again the thing is, if we start choosing the optimal loadouts, we are cherry picking the best parts. Tbh if I was in charge I would let them use any loadout they wanted, but this was the first time they were willing to listen. They understood that each move should have fair representation and that if they're going to allow 1111, they should allow 2222, and 3333 as well. And they become packaged and labeled as their own characters. It would be also pretty time consuming if we kept making new movesets for every single counterpick, making our characters incredibly diverse. Besides, Brawler 2222 and Gunner 3333 are close enough to their prime loadouts imo, its definitely workable.
pufff.. You really want to use the one inch punch don't you? it's the only reason you are so vocal about this. The same goes for the other mii competitive principle topic creator. You people don't care about the mii as a character, you only want to use that single exploit an abuse it over and over again. I hope that thing gets patched in the next update to see who are the real mii players. I bet everyone will go with brawler+small+piston punch moveset at apex. So pathethic...
Shows how much you know about me. I don't even use Piston Punch loadout anymore. That's part of his 3333 loadout. I use 2222.
Nobody goes for it because its A) easy to see a mile away because you have to stand there fishing for a grab B) only has set ups on a VERY small cast of characters C) still has to be on a raised platform from what I remember D) One of the other Up Bs is a stronger, more reliable kill move.
E) Is still a lot less imbalanced than Ice Climbers grab in brawl (and a bunch of other stuff that's been allowed throughout smash's history) which people had no qualms about.
It only works on Jigglypuff on FD, as for other characters you need to do it on platforms, usually the highest one. Won't even work on middle weight and heavier characters. As if it wasn't bad enough, Piston Punch is now paired with Headache Macher, Foot Flurry, and the Falcon Punch. Arguably his worst specials. Without Feint Jump and PP being a vertical only recovery, Mii Brawler's recovery becomes almost no better than Little Mac's.
If the same isn't for Palutena, then this is probably one of the worst tournament rulesets I've ever seen.
I'm not 100% sure on Palutena yet, she does have the same criteria as the Mii Fighters as they're unlocked from the start and they're completely different, but they seem to be a bit wary of hers due to the fact that you have to turn customization ON for hers to work. If it were me I'd allow them to use her 1111, 2222, and 3333. But for right now I'm not sure, we'll have to see when the refined rules come up. If for some reason she isn't allowed, we'll have to talk to them again, because I don't believe that is right either.
To be honest, it shouldn't be /too/ hard to keep track of when customs are turned on at the character select screen, right? Just have Smash Wii U data that only has the necessary custom setups, and make sure players don't select random or somehow choose one they're not supposed to in the chance that it had an extra custom set. I mean, it would make more effort to make sure that people actually honored that, but it'd be better than restricting Palutena to her default.
The reason we're discussing Palutena as equals in the Mii scenario is that she does in fact start with all her custom specials unlocked just like the Mii Fighters do, and all of hers are unique just like the Mii Fighters.
