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I'm glad that Tweek picked up Cloud. I hate the way M2K plays him (camp and charge limit). Finally we have a good American representative of Cloud and how he should be played. Don't take how the players did in this tournament as ultimatums for MUs though the fact that Tweek did so much better vs Dabuz as compared to Nairo is suggesting that Cloud does in fact have a good MU on Rosa, or at least better than ZSS. He definitely has top 5 potential, will most likely at worst, end up in top 10. Also, we are beyond the "he is new and people don't know the MU." We had Nairo SDI ing down Clouds LB neutral B to avoid the damage. I say that shows a high level of MU knowledge.
KO options lack synergy? Like dair to FT, or uair. Or Uair to Uair. His entire kit revolves around either spacing the opponent with safe moves, and comboing the opponent at low percentages, ending with a hard hit (usually LB CS). Please elaborate that statement.
Dsmash although good at the ledge as a mixup, is hardly one of the main reasons why Cloud is so good. Make his LB CS, uair, or dair worse, and now you have significant nerfs. And if his Up b ledge snapped, he would seriously broken, better than shiek by a long shot. I want Cloud to be good, but not brain dead. Learning how to be conservative with the double jump and how to mix up your recovery are staples for good cloud players.
Ironically, it's when they merged with Enix that most people will point at as the beginning of the "Dark Times."
No word yet, but we should be expecting something soon. I wouldn't be against you being our mod. You know your stuff, contributed quite a bit to Cloud's metagame, been here a while, and you've got professional qualities.
. I'm fine with alot of the regulars to Mod tbqh, but the fact that someone needs to do it is increasingly evident. But on another another note, I'm thinking of making an extensive Cloud guide, collaborating multiple resources into a single word document.
Tweek(3rd) and M2K(5th)
I feel as though that Cloud has difficulty KOing characters, at least from my experiences.
I still think one who has extensive knowledge on Cloud would be the one more qualified for the position. But if ANYBODY has a shot, I would vote myself. I have the qualities to be a fairly good mod if given the chance. However, since I don't have the extensive knowledge for Cloud and his metagame, I wouldn't be a good fit. If I do become a mod, I doubt it would be here. But if I DID become this board's mod, THEN I would get cracking on Cloud and the metagame.Thanks, I appreciate the compliments
GHNeko
would be the better fit. I think the mod of a character board should know quite a bit about said character, methinks.
I'm sorry my friend, but I have to whole heartedly disagree. LB CS comes out frame 10 which is faster than most of the casts' tilts and is a stupidly safe move that kills at 100%, even less on the sides. LB CH comes out even faster at frame 7 (which is as fast as link's jab) and kills 20-30 ish percent higher. Ftilt, uair, bair all kill within 120-130% as well, even sooner depending on rage or stage positon. Fsmash kills as soon as 70% if positioned correctly, as does dsmash 20 ish percent later. He has an overabundance of kill options, so I still don't see how you are having trouble. If you were to submit videos of you playing, maybe someone or I could point what your doing wrong.
I think I'll do one! It'll help out my fellow Clouds and be useful as a reference for myself
That depends, do idlers on FG count? If not, then I've only done it once. I can't even where or when, I just remember doing it.
I just opened up a thread with the intent to fill it with as much Cloud information as possible. Not trying to step on your toes, I want to eventually have our information compilations merged in the future when they reach a more completed step. No worries, I'm in the same boat as far as being busy. Developing the Cloud meta game is not a one person job.https://docs.google.com/document/d/16bgrOg46NXQSDhhQvn9x59j1yplf5OTgWRoP3JyP0HU/edit?usp=sharing
"Dont have a guide yet"
*Coughs loudly*
Im still working on it guys. Work, personal stuff has kept me busy. Give me some faith
I could see it working as a mix up. Sometimes, not pressing buttons is the scariest thing you can do.
Where did you get this from.It seems that the tier list was recently updated.
Cloud up to A tier.
He was.
Heck yea, I'll PM you to not clutter up the boards.
I've not pressed anything waiting for an edge guard and then ran off to quickly intercept with a LB CS. Does that count?
From Singapore Smash Bros Facebook community.
I remember he was A- , maybe I'm wrong. But I'm sure he does have a bit rise though.
Cloud is currently in the B-tier at #12.
It's from Singapore it seems. We would have heard if 4BR made a new tier list by now, as it would be in News.
So guess we should take that tier list with a grain of salt then.
LMAO
I actually take most of my stocks with dsmash or Limit up b. Limit up b is my favorite limit, and I like using it to catch airdodges (it's hard to punish airdodges otherwise thanks to Limit Cloud's fallspeed and short jumps). In fact, in my last tournament, I think I only landed like two Limit Corss Slashes, how do you guys go around trying to hit that? Everybody plays really carefully when I have Limit, it's hard to even land anything.
Perhaps even the tier list itself when it comes to picking your character in a metagame. No tier list are exactly legit, at least for now.
I think I hold on to Limit too much, like I almost forget I have it sometimes and I don't use it in kill situations lol. This rarely happens in tournament tho
Uair is pretty god like for punishing airdodges. When people are above me, I either just flat out jump quickly and uair, or jump, bait an airdodge, then uair. It's not hard to do at all.
That is the best time to start mixing in grabs. You get a solid 11 percent if you pummel once and throw.
