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Some of us wonder why some characters are unlockable or starter, lets figure out how it works. Then we can figure out which characters could appear as unlockables.
Some characters appear as unlockables due to a few reasons:
-Obscurity
-Popularity
I'll list the characters that could be unlockable or starter. It's going to be pretty long.
I will just list this, since they need no reason why they will be starters.
Automatic Starters:
-Mario
-Link
-Kirby
-Samus
-Pikachu
-Samus
-Fox
-Yoshi
-Donkey Kong
Returning Starters, but probably won't be shown when SSB4 is revealed in this year's E3:
- Pit (KI: U came out recently, so why not bring Pit back a starter because we love him)
- Ice Climbers (A retro rep. Imagine this, think about a clueless gamer who played NES games only in his life, then immediately he sees Ice Climbers in Smash, Immediate nostalgia. This is probably what Sakurai is aiming for when it comes to retro reps. IC will be a starter again.)
- Zelda/Sheik (The Legend of Zelda franchise, I don't think this needs an explanation.)
- Diddy Kong (Since Donkey Kong Returns and the upcoming 3D port, it's a guarenteed comeback)
- Metaknight (Very popular and awesome character of the Kirby franchise, will return as a starter)
- King Dedede (See Metaknight)
- Olimar (Reason: Pikmin 3, a guarenteed return of a popular character)
- Wario (Reason: A popular rival of Mario, Game and Wario coming out soon, Wario is not going to be dismissed)
- Bowser (The villain of almost every Mario game, pretty sure he will return)
- Lucas ( The recent face of the Mother franchise, I think it's right that he should return)
The possibly returning but now unlockable:
Ness: Ness being unlockable again in Brawl is probably because Lucas. Mother 3 was extremely popular in Japan recent in 2006, because of it, Lucas was added as a starter character. Because Ness is the only Earthbound character known to everyone around the world (Since in the USA we only got Mother 2), it makes sense he still should be in the next Smash Bros as the generally known rep of the Earthbound Franchise. But since the release of Mother 2 on the virtual console on Wii U, it would probably mean he would be a starter again.
Captain Falcon: Unless the F-Zero franchise gets a revival, Captain Falcon will probably be unlockable again. This is probably the same reason he was unlockable in Brawl. Although, the F-Zero mini game in the Wii U game Nintendoland could possibly slighten that up to a starter
Ike: (See, new reps of Fire Emblem) He would be an unlockable though, since were all talking about Chrom and not Ike now.
Pokemon Trainer: But since Red represents how Pokemon started, he could stay and be a starter again.
Now lets talk about some of the previous unlockable characters:
Luigi: The brother of Mario, since it's the Year of Luigi, I bet Weegee is gonna return. (As an unlock able, since we all care for Mario). But if Weegee was a starter, then it's sign we will have a bigger roster.
Jigglypuff: Could possibly be replaced with a different Pokemon. But since Jiggz represents the start of Pokemon, Jiggz could be kept, as an unlockable still, since it's all about 6th and 5th generation today.
Ganondorf: The villain of the very popular Legend of Zelda franchise, it's a guaranteed return, as an unlockable still.
Toon Link: A possible return, because of Wind Waker HD. Will be unlock able, since we only care about our precious regular Link first.
R.O.B.: The same point I made about Ice Climbers, but instead unlockable.
Falco: This might be crazy, but Falco could be a starter if another Starfox rep was added (But the added rep depends on if Starfox has a new game). Talking about Falco as a starter still, it would feel weird if Fox was the only starter then we have 3 new Starfox reps, Fox would be overshadowed.
Wolf: The villain of Starfox, an unlockable. I think it's a tradition that Nintendo villains would be unlock able but not Bowser, since he's the most popular Nintendo villain.
Lucario: I don't think many people would care about him anymore. But since the Mewtwo's return in a Pokemon movie, the recently Popular Zoroark, soon a possible 6th gen rep, I think i'm sure he's not gonna return. (Unless the roster was bigger of course.)
Marth: Could be an unlockable, but since Marth had some roles in many FE games (and in the recent FE), I think it's possible he could be a starter. That's a slight chance of happening though. Were still talking about Chrom.
Mr. Game and Watch: The same point I made about R.O.B.
Snake and Sonic: as unlockables because they are third-party reps.
Now that I took care of the all the veteran characters, let's talk about the fate of unlockable or starters for some newcomers.
Palutena: Her chances are SUPER GUARENTEED, KI:U gave her the recent treatment of popularity. Because of it, it makes sense for her to be a starter.
Hades: As a second KI rep, probably not, as Palutena is blocking her way. But he did join he'll probably be unlockable just like the other villains.
Little Mac: Possibly might appear, since the Punch-Out Wii. Since the Wii game came out just a few years ago, it would makes sense for him to be a starter.
Isaac/Matthew: Possible, since the there was a recent Golden Sun game a few years ago, would make sense to make either of these guys starter. But I think only Matthew has a shot at appearing in SSB4, since he is the most recent protagonist of Golden Sun. (Ness appeared instead of Ninten in SSB64, I could argue)
Starfy: Possibly might appear, since The Legendary Starfy was known to everyone a few years ago. Could be a starter because of it though.
Saki/ Isa: Same point as Isaac and Matthew, only Isa might have a good chance of appearing.
Ridley: I'm pretty stuck about this one, since Sakurai preferred Ridley as a boss in Brawl. But there hasn't been a real (Not Zero Suit Samus, she's still Samus) new Metroid rep in a long time. Ridley has those good requirements to be a fighter. Probably will be a starter, since he's really popular.
Ghirahim: The most recent villain of Zelda has a good chance of appearing, should be a starter though IMO.
Takamaru: Takamaru is not well known to everyone, only in Japan. This relates to how Marth and Roy were unlockables in Melee. It's pretty easy to imagine that Takumaru would be unlockable too.
A new FE rep: This is possible because of the critical success of FE:A. Since Chrom is the recent face of FE, it's going to be him as a starter, not anyone else though.
Waddle Dee: I'm not so sure about him, but since he was playable in Return to Dreamland, theres too many things to consider. I think as a starter would the most sense.
Toad: Not too sure as Waddle Dee, But he is part of the Mario franchise (the big one), I guess it makes sense. He would be a starter to the most sense.
King K. Rool: If Sakurai were to want another DKC rep, it would be King K. Rool. But since Krool never appeared in the recent DKC, this might not happen at all. But he appeared in Smash, he would be an unlockable due to not appearing DKCR (DON'T USE MARIO SUPER SLUGGERS AS AN ARGUEMENT, sport games are never a good argument).
Dixie Kong: Same as King K. Rool, but maybe, just maybe, as an unlockable.
Lip: This is a difficult one, because Lip is not well known to everyone, yet she has an item to represent her series in Smash, yet her games never appeared outside of Japan, yet she was mentioned by Sakurai before that her game is really good. But if she appeared, It's possible she could be a unlockable, If there's no Panel De Pon featuring her at E3.
Krystal: If we had a new Starfox game featuring Krystal at this year's E3, she would be a starter, making Falco an unlockable instead.
Vaati: The only Zelda villain yet to make an appearance in Smash. if Vaati were to appear, then he would be an unlockable, then Toon Link would be in the game too, otherwise it would be so obscure.
Tingle: This guy is literally a joke character, I don't see him appearing as a character in Smash compared. But if he did, I would make him an unlockable just to prevent immediate rant. Maybe i'm being too mindless though.
Waluigi: This guy is pretty obscure, he has yet to show what he can really do (don't use sport arguments), didn't appear in the recent entry of the Mario Kart series(Just a quick little tidbit I wanted to mention, even though it driving is a sport), he probably won't appear in Smash. But if he did appear, I think it would be safe to make him an unlockable.
Bowser Jr: This guy, has yet to appear in Smash, yet has an awesome paintbrush that defines him. It would make the most sense for him to be a starter.
New F-Zero rep: Unless there is a new F-Zero game, there won't be one. but if there was, the rep would be unlock able and C. Falcon would be the starter.
Paper Mario: Since the recent Sticker Star, I think it's safe to have him on Smash. He could possibly be an unlock able, when you think about how Dr. Mario and Mario are basically the same, so Dr. Mario had to be unlockable to avoid obscurity.
Ninten: He actually has a hot shot at appearing in Smash, since he is the only and the first hero of the Mother series. He would be unlock able due to the fact not everyone knew about Ninten because Earthbound Zero was never released in Japan.
Porky: Porky is a stuck in the middle here. If Ninten were to be added, then Porky would not be added due to the fact he never appear in Mother 1. I don't think it would matter, but it just brings amount of awkwardness. He would be an unlockable, since were slightly fading away from the Earthbound franchise.
Claus: I really want him, but it's probably too late since adding a rep from Mother 3 would make 5-6 characters of the Earthbound franchise total, which is too much. But if he did appear, he would be an unlockable. (I WANT MOTHER 2.5 and MOTHER 1.5)
Groose: If Groose appear, I would be pissed that Ghirahim was not playable too. But if he appeared, it's super safe to say he would be starter.
Shulk: Although I never played Xenoblade, I heard so many good things about it. I think he should be unlockable though, but it recently became popular around the world, I wouldn't mind if he was a starter.
Banjo & Kazooie: There is an automatic argument, but if they appeaed in the game, they would be unlockable.
Hades/Viridi/Phosphora/Medusa: I'm really hmm.. about this one. But if they appeared, I would make them unlockable to avoid spoilers.
Mii: I don't think there would be any reason to add them, they are pretty uninteresting to me. But for sure they would be starter if they appeared.
Balloon Fighter/ Mach Rider: I heard there was a debate between adding Ice Climbers, Balloon Fighter, or Mach Rider as a retro rep in Melee. I would make both those guys starter.
Prince Sable: If picked as the retro, he would probably be a starter despite how obscure he is.
Duck Hunt Dog: It would be nice, he would represent the NES Zapper. He would be starter for nostalgic reasons.
New Pokemon Reps: I said it before about Pokemon Trainer and Lucario.
Alexandria Rovias: Maybe, but that I would feel would imbalance the roster greatly. But there was a recent trademark of the Eternal Darkness franchise. She could be unlockable due to not being known well.
Ray MK: I have no idea what the MK series are about, but I have a feeling we won't get a rep. But if we did, Ray MK would be unlockable.
E-Shop Reps: Some should be mentioned, Tempo, Dillon, and Mallo. They all have equal chances (But mostly Mallo and Dillon because they have sequels). Adding Tempo could hint a sequel of Harmoknight. They would be starters, since they appeared most recently.
Professor Layton: I would love for him to appear, I heard the creator of the Prof. Layton would love for him to appear. He would be a unlockable due to being a third party.
Bomberman: Have you played SSF2? Bomberman has been with Nintendo quite a few times (Most notably with Wario). He would be unlockable due to being a third party. Only scary feeling I'm having is that Bomberman could replace Snake, since he now belongs to Konami.
Geno: I love Geno, but everyone knows that he is owned by the one and only Square (P)enix. He would be unlockable due to being a third party character.
Pac-Man: This guy has crossed over with Mario a few times in karting (small point), the big well known icon of Namco. Should make sense for him to be an unlockable.
Rayman: I dunno, but IMO, adding Rayman would make the roster feel unbalanced. He would be unlock able due to being a third party character.
Now let's talk about some new, obscure reps we could never think of: *Note these guys are all unlockable due to being obscure.
Daitouryou: This guy is the only Nintendo ode that hasn't been represented in Smash. Will probably be an unlockable.
Nester: I said it a ton of times, this is to appreciate Nintendo Power. Will probably be an unlockable.
Captain N: Nintendo to represent cartoons? Probably will be unlockable.
Sheriff: Possible, being the first arcade Nintendo ever made makes it noteworthy. But will probably be an unlockable.
Console Bot: Honestly should appear in SSB5, I see that happening later. Probably an unlockable.
Ralph: If Ralph were to appear, then he would have had a movie sequel to release this year. Ralph will automatically be unlockable due to being a third party.
I got most of the characters down. Do you guys agree? I might add some more characters later.
Some characters appear as unlockables due to a few reasons:
-Obscurity
-Popularity
I'll list the characters that could be unlockable or starter. It's going to be pretty long.
I will just list this, since they need no reason why they will be starters.
Automatic Starters:
-Mario
-Link
-Kirby
-Samus
-Pikachu
-Samus
-Fox
-Yoshi
-Donkey Kong
Returning Starters, but probably won't be shown when SSB4 is revealed in this year's E3:
- Pit (KI: U came out recently, so why not bring Pit back a starter because we love him)
- Ice Climbers (A retro rep. Imagine this, think about a clueless gamer who played NES games only in his life, then immediately he sees Ice Climbers in Smash, Immediate nostalgia. This is probably what Sakurai is aiming for when it comes to retro reps. IC will be a starter again.)
- Zelda/Sheik (The Legend of Zelda franchise, I don't think this needs an explanation.)
- Diddy Kong (Since Donkey Kong Returns and the upcoming 3D port, it's a guarenteed comeback)
- Metaknight (Very popular and awesome character of the Kirby franchise, will return as a starter)
- King Dedede (See Metaknight)
- Olimar (Reason: Pikmin 3, a guarenteed return of a popular character)
- Wario (Reason: A popular rival of Mario, Game and Wario coming out soon, Wario is not going to be dismissed)
- Bowser (The villain of almost every Mario game, pretty sure he will return)
- Lucas ( The recent face of the Mother franchise, I think it's right that he should return)
The possibly returning but now unlockable:
Ness: Ness being unlockable again in Brawl is probably because Lucas. Mother 3 was extremely popular in Japan recent in 2006, because of it, Lucas was added as a starter character. Because Ness is the only Earthbound character known to everyone around the world (Since in the USA we only got Mother 2), it makes sense he still should be in the next Smash Bros as the generally known rep of the Earthbound Franchise. But since the release of Mother 2 on the virtual console on Wii U, it would probably mean he would be a starter again.
Captain Falcon: Unless the F-Zero franchise gets a revival, Captain Falcon will probably be unlockable again. This is probably the same reason he was unlockable in Brawl. Although, the F-Zero mini game in the Wii U game Nintendoland could possibly slighten that up to a starter
Ike: (See, new reps of Fire Emblem) He would be an unlockable though, since were all talking about Chrom and not Ike now.
Pokemon Trainer: But since Red represents how Pokemon started, he could stay and be a starter again.
Now lets talk about some of the previous unlockable characters:
Luigi: The brother of Mario, since it's the Year of Luigi, I bet Weegee is gonna return.
(As an unlock able, since we all care for Mario). But if Weegee was a starter, then it's sign we will have a bigger roster.Jigglypuff: Could possibly be replaced with a different Pokemon. But since Jiggz represents the start of Pokemon, Jiggz could be kept, as an unlockable still, since it's all about 6th and 5th generation today.
Ganondorf: The villain of the very popular Legend of Zelda franchise, it's a guaranteed return, as an unlockable still.
Toon Link: A possible return, because of Wind Waker HD. Will be unlock able, since we only care about our precious regular Link first.
R.O.B.: The same point I made about Ice Climbers, but instead unlockable.
Falco: This might be crazy, but Falco could be a starter if another Starfox rep was added (But the added rep depends on if Starfox has a new game). Talking about Falco as a starter still, it would feel weird if Fox was the only starter then we have 3 new Starfox reps, Fox would be overshadowed.
Wolf: The villain of Starfox, an unlockable. I think it's a tradition that Nintendo villains would be unlock able but not Bowser, since he's the most popular Nintendo villain.
Lucario: I don't think many people would care about him anymore. But since the Mewtwo's return in a Pokemon movie, the recently Popular Zoroark, soon a possible 6th gen rep, I think i'm sure he's not gonna return. (Unless the roster was bigger of course.)
Marth: Could be an unlockable, but since Marth had some roles in many FE games (and in the recent FE), I think it's possible he could be a starter. That's a slight chance of happening though. Were still talking about Chrom.
Mr. Game and Watch: The same point I made about R.O.B.
Snake and Sonic: as unlockables because they are third-party reps.
Now that I took care of the all the veteran characters, let's talk about the fate of unlockable or starters for some newcomers.
Palutena: Her chances are SUPER GUARENTEED, KI:U gave her the recent treatment of popularity. Because of it, it makes sense for her to be a starter.
Hades: As a second KI rep, probably not, as Palutena is blocking her way. But he did join he'll probably be unlockable just like the other villains.
Little Mac: Possibly might appear, since the Punch-Out Wii. Since the Wii game came out just a few years ago, it would makes sense for him to be a starter.
Isaac/Matthew: Possible, since the there was a recent Golden Sun game a few years ago, would make sense to make either of these guys starter. But I think only Matthew has a shot at appearing in SSB4, since he is the most recent protagonist of Golden Sun. (Ness appeared instead of Ninten in SSB64, I could argue)
Starfy: Possibly might appear, since The Legendary Starfy was known to everyone a few years ago. Could be a starter because of it though.
Saki/ Isa: Same point as Isaac and Matthew, only Isa might have a good chance of appearing.
Ridley: I'm pretty stuck about this one, since Sakurai preferred Ridley as a boss in Brawl. But there hasn't been a real (Not Zero Suit Samus, she's still Samus) new Metroid rep in a long time. Ridley has those good requirements to be a fighter. Probably will be a starter, since he's really popular.
Ghirahim: The most recent villain of Zelda has a good chance of appearing, should be a starter though IMO.
Takamaru: Takamaru is not well known to everyone, only in Japan. This relates to how Marth and Roy were unlockables in Melee. It's pretty easy to imagine that Takumaru would be unlockable too.
A new FE rep: This is possible because of the critical success of FE:A. Since Chrom is the recent face of FE, it's going to be him as a starter, not anyone else though.
Waddle Dee: I'm not so sure about him, but since he was playable in Return to Dreamland, theres too many things to consider. I think as a starter would the most sense.
Toad: Not too sure as Waddle Dee, But he is part of the Mario franchise (the big one), I guess it makes sense. He would be a starter to the most sense.
King K. Rool: If Sakurai were to want another DKC rep, it would be King K. Rool. But since Krool never appeared in the recent DKC, this might not happen at all. But he appeared in Smash, he would be an unlockable due to not appearing DKCR (DON'T USE MARIO SUPER SLUGGERS AS AN ARGUEMENT, sport games are never a good argument).
Dixie Kong: Same as King K. Rool, but maybe, just maybe, as an unlockable.
Lip: This is a difficult one, because Lip is not well known to everyone, yet she has an item to represent her series in Smash, yet her games never appeared outside of Japan, yet she was mentioned by Sakurai before that her game is really good. But if she appeared, It's possible she could be a unlockable, If there's no Panel De Pon featuring her at E3.
Krystal: If we had a new Starfox game featuring Krystal at this year's E3, she would be a starter, making Falco an unlockable instead.
Vaati: The only Zelda villain yet to make an appearance in Smash. if Vaati were to appear, then he would be an unlockable, then Toon Link would be in the game too, otherwise it would be so obscure.
Tingle: This guy is literally a joke character, I don't see him appearing as a character in Smash compared. But if he did, I would make him an unlockable just to prevent immediate rant. Maybe i'm being too mindless though.
Waluigi: This guy is pretty obscure, he has yet to show what he can really do (don't use sport arguments), didn't appear in the recent entry of the Mario Kart series(Just a quick little tidbit I wanted to mention, even though it driving is a sport), he probably won't appear in Smash. But if he did appear, I think it would be safe to make him an unlockable.
Bowser Jr: This guy, has yet to appear in Smash, yet has an awesome paintbrush that defines him. It would make the most sense for him to be a starter.
New F-Zero rep: Unless there is a new F-Zero game, there won't be one. but if there was, the rep would be unlock able and C. Falcon would be the starter.
Paper Mario: Since the recent Sticker Star, I think it's safe to have him on Smash. He could possibly be an unlock able, when you think about how Dr. Mario and Mario are basically the same, so Dr. Mario had to be unlockable to avoid obscurity.
Ninten: He actually has a hot shot at appearing in Smash, since he is the only and the first hero of the Mother series. He would be unlock able due to the fact not everyone knew about Ninten because Earthbound Zero was never released in Japan.
Porky: Porky is a stuck in the middle here. If Ninten were to be added, then Porky would not be added due to the fact he never appear in Mother 1. I don't think it would matter, but it just brings amount of awkwardness. He would be an unlockable, since were slightly fading away from the Earthbound franchise.
Claus: I really want him, but it's probably too late since adding a rep from Mother 3 would make 5-6 characters of the Earthbound franchise total, which is too much. But if he did appear, he would be an unlockable. (I WANT MOTHER 2.5 and MOTHER 1.5)
Groose: If Groose appear, I would be pissed that Ghirahim was not playable too. But if he appeared, it's super safe to say he would be starter.
Shulk: Although I never played Xenoblade, I heard so many good things about it. I think he should be unlockable though, but it recently became popular around the world, I wouldn't mind if he was a starter.
Banjo & Kazooie: There is an automatic argument, but if they appeaed in the game, they would be unlockable.
Hades/Viridi/Phosphora/Medusa: I'm really hmm.. about this one. But if they appeared, I would make them unlockable to avoid spoilers.
Mii: I don't think there would be any reason to add them, they are pretty uninteresting to me. But for sure they would be starter if they appeared.
Balloon Fighter/ Mach Rider: I heard there was a debate between adding Ice Climbers, Balloon Fighter, or Mach Rider as a retro rep in Melee. I would make both those guys starter.
Prince Sable: If picked as the retro, he would probably be a starter despite how obscure he is.
Duck Hunt Dog: It would be nice, he would represent the NES Zapper. He would be starter for nostalgic reasons.
New Pokemon Reps: I said it before about Pokemon Trainer and Lucario.
Alexandria Rovias: Maybe, but that I would feel would imbalance the roster greatly. But there was a recent trademark of the Eternal Darkness franchise. She could be unlockable due to not being known well.
Ray MK: I have no idea what the MK series are about, but I have a feeling we won't get a rep. But if we did, Ray MK would be unlockable.
E-Shop Reps: Some should be mentioned, Tempo, Dillon, and Mallo. They all have equal chances (But mostly Mallo and Dillon because they have sequels). Adding Tempo could hint a sequel of Harmoknight. They would be starters, since they appeared most recently.
Professor Layton: I would love for him to appear, I heard the creator of the Prof. Layton would love for him to appear. He would be a unlockable due to being a third party.
Bomberman: Have you played SSF2? Bomberman has been with Nintendo quite a few times (Most notably with Wario). He would be unlockable due to being a third party. Only scary feeling I'm having is that Bomberman could replace Snake, since he now belongs to Konami.
Geno: I love Geno, but everyone knows that he is owned by the one and only Square (P)enix. He would be unlockable due to being a third party character.
Pac-Man: This guy has crossed over with Mario a few times in karting (small point), the big well known icon of Namco. Should make sense for him to be an unlockable.
Rayman: I dunno, but IMO, adding Rayman would make the roster feel unbalanced. He would be unlock able due to being a third party character.
Now let's talk about some new, obscure reps we could never think of: *Note these guys are all unlockable due to being obscure.
Daitouryou: This guy is the only Nintendo ode that hasn't been represented in Smash. Will probably be an unlockable.
Nester: I said it a ton of times, this is to appreciate Nintendo Power. Will probably be an unlockable.
Captain N: Nintendo to represent cartoons? Probably will be unlockable.
Sheriff: Possible, being the first arcade Nintendo ever made makes it noteworthy. But will probably be an unlockable.
Console Bot: Honestly should appear in SSB5, I see that happening later. Probably an unlockable.
Ralph: If Ralph were to appear, then he would have had a movie sequel to release this year. Ralph will automatically be unlockable due to being a third party.
I got most of the characters down. Do you guys agree? I might add some more characters later.
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