[Play 2 Win] Competitive Community Podcast (SMASH BACKROOM DISCUSSION - EPISODE 12)

RDK · Jan 8, 2008

[Play 2 Win] Competitive Community Podcast

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Hey everybody! The group over at P2W were throwing around the idea of doing a Smash podcast, but nothing like Show Me Your News. Instead, it would deal with issues surrounding the competitive scene, and how the evolution of Brawl will effect that. Expect outlooks on tournament play, advanced techniques, Brawl adaptations, and general information on competitive Brawl.

The whole idea is to have a variety of people from the Smash community on the podcast to share their views and experiences. If you're interested on being on the show, post a small paragraph in the thread about why, and it will be reviewed.

Here is the list of podcast downloads. Just right-click on the download links and hit "Save As," and stick them on your hard drive.

We'll try to get the clips loaded on Esnips so you can stream them for those who have slow internet. As soon as we get the episodes streamable on the P2W server, you'll be able to stream them from there, also.

Enjoy the podcast, and best wishes to the Smash community!

~RDK

PRAISE:

John Wilks Booth said:
I enjoy p2w podcast almost as much as I enjoyed killing Lincoln.

RoyalRook said:
This is what SMYN should be doing.

IsmaR said:
RDK's voice is so smexy!

Slacker! said:
Amazing and very entertaining.

Master WGS said:
Nice podcast. I enjoyed it thoroughly.

Kio Iranez said:
First two podcasts were great, though from what I've been reading here, sounds like it's going to get much better. Good job, guys.

K-sin said:
Just thought I'd say thanks for doing this podcast. It's really going to help me when trying to go from a non-competitive Melee player to a more competitive Brawl player.

TheBuzzSaw said:
Play 2 Win 4 Life!

DOWNLOADS:

Due to a particular nefarious former podcaster and website host who cast the old episodes into oblivion, we cannot currently provide you with podcasts 2 through 7. You can however view the very first on on the P2W Youtube channel located below, and the new ones are now hosted on eSnips.

WGWOLVERINE's Podcast Channel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITvs5K4pUZ4

Play 2 Win Youtube Channel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOH5JFwYqU4&feature=PlayList&p=AA5779498CF013F6&index=0&playnext=1

Play 2 Win eSnips Channel:

http://www.esnips.com/web/play2win

Download: P2W Podcast - #1: Competitive Brawl, Part 1

- Featuring: RDK, The Buzz Saw, WGWOLVERINE

Download: P2W Podcast - #2: Competitive Brawl, Part 2

- Featuring: RDK, The Buzz Saw, WGWOLVERINE

Download: P2W Podcast - #3: Goodbye L-Cancelling

- Featuring RDK, The Buzz Saw, MookieRah

Download: P2W Podcast - #4: WARNING: Brawl Approaching

- Featuring RDK, The Buzz Saw, WGWOLVERINE, SiD

Download: P2W Podcast - #5: Attack of the Clones

Streaming: P2W Podcast - #5: Attack of the Clones

- Featuring RDK, The Buzz Saw, SiD, Kabyk-Greenmyst

Download: P2W Podcast - #5.5: The Noobcast

- Featuring SiD, Kabyk-Greenmyst, Awol, Nick James

Download: P2W Podcast - #6: Brawl Reviewed

- Featuring RDK, The Buzz Saw, Kabyk-Greenmyst, Awol, SiD, WGWOLVERINE

Download: P2W Podcast - #7: The Ground We Stand On

- Featuring Kabyk-Greenmyst, Smooth Criminal, Wigz, Rex

BRAND NEW!!! LIKE A BABY'S BEHIND:

Download: P2W Podcast - #8: Reunion Podcast

- Featuring RDK, Kabyk-Greenmyst, SiD, Rex, Zephyr, Superstar, Shadowstar

Download: P2W Podcast - #9: Rex Is A Meme

- Featuring RDK, Kabyk-Greenmyst, SiD, Rex

Download: P2W Podcast - #10: The Toastcast

- Featuring RDK, Kabyk-Greenmyst, SiD, Wigz

Download: P2W Podcast - #11: Brawl Is Serious Business

- Featuring RDK, Kabyk-Greenmyst, SiD, Rex

BRAWL BACKROOM PODCAST:

Download: P2W Podcast - #12: To Ban or Not To Ban (Part 1)

- Featuring RDK, Overswarm, Omni, Adumbrodeus, Jack Kieser

Download: P2W Podcast - #12: To Ban or Not To Ban (Part 2)

- Featuring RDK, Overswarm, Omni, Adumbrodeus, Jack Kieser

vesperview · Jan 8, 2008

I'm downloading it....

BleachMan! · Jan 8, 2008

hey, how long is the podcast?

Kio Iranez · Jan 8, 2008

Sounds like a great idea. =) Try to get it in the iTunes Store. You'll get more people to listen.

RDK · Jan 8, 2008

BleachMan! said:
hey, how long is the podcast?

The first episode is only 15 minutes, due to it being primarily a teaser of sorts. The second one is 45 minutes.

Kio Iranez said:
Sounds like a great idea. =) Try to get it in the iTunes Store. You'll get more people to listen.

Thanks for the input! I haven't had the time yet, but I was definetely thinking about putting it up on iTunes. The traffic is great for exposure.

FrogButler · Jan 8, 2008

Red Darkstar Kirby said:
Hey everybody! The group over at P2W were throwing around the idea of doing a Smash podcast, but nothing like Show Me Your News. Instead, it would deal with issues surrounding the competitive scene, and how the evolution of Brawl will effect that. Expect outlooks on tournament play, advanced techniques, Brawl adaptations, and general information on competitive Brawl.

And this just happens to go up within minutes of my first episode being posted that I've talked about for a good week and a half....

Honestly, a copy is a perfect way of saying that you started something good.

It is a compliment!

RDK · Jan 8, 2008

FrogButler said:
And this just happens to go up within minutes of my first episode being posted that I've talked about for a good week and a half....

Honestly, a copy is a perfect way of saying that you started something good. It is a compliment!

...?

I had no idea you were trying to do the same thing. I don't visit the Brawl Boards too much, so I didn't see your topic.

Good luck, though.

MookieRah · Jan 8, 2008

Listening to the podcast now. LOL @ the intro Falcon nonsense. Anyways, I'ma gonna ask to be on the next show. Buzz gets all the fun.

Live Mad Editz:
LOLz, you guys think Idaho is bad for competitive play... Try Mississippi.

Footstool jumping won't be good based on how hard it is, it will be based on how effective it is. If it's badass people will learn it and master it. Judging from the info we have, it doesn't seem to be great. It makes them fall slowly and they can't jump for a little while, but not enough to kill them. Then again, if you constantly did it, it could be like a fox shine. Potentially really good.

I don't know much about tripping.

Meh, enough of edits, I don't feel like editing any more. I'd have a lot of different things I could discuss about with this crepe.

BleachMan! · Jan 8, 2008

Just finished the first episode, I like it :D. It's pretty cool to get competitive players views for Brawl. I haven't been much of a Melee Tourney goer, but I hoping I can change that with Brawl, and this podcast with definitely help. Now to Episode 2!

GreenKirby · Jan 8, 2008

Loved episode 1.

Will now listen to 2

And I loved how one of y'all (forgot who) mentioned that with wavedashing gone and automatic lag cancel (though I thought fastfall caused that) competive will be able to focus more on newer things

RDK · Jan 8, 2008

MookieRah said:
Listening to the podcast now. LOL @ the intro Falcon nonsense. Anyways, I'ma gonna ask to be on the next show. Buzz gets all the fun.

Live Mad Editz:
LOLz, you guys think Idaho is bad for competitive play... Try Mississippi.

Footstool jumping won't be good based on how hard it is, it will be based on how effective it is. If it's badass people will learn it and master it. Judging from the info we have, it doesn't seem to be great. It makes them fall slowly and they can't jump for a little while, but not enough to kill them. Then again, if you constantly did it, it could be like a fox shine. Potentially really good.

I don't know much about tripping.

Mookie on our podcast? Alright!

And yeah, that was exactly our view on footstool jumping. If it's something really effective / broken, or really stupid, it'll have a major effect on competitive play. I think if you go further into the podcast, we talk about it more in-depth.

MookieRah · Jan 8, 2008

One thing of note is that you should sway away from using "Show me your", in the beginning of the podcast. A little too much like SMYN. I do, like previously stated, like the falcon crazyness.

Lord Viper · Jan 8, 2008

I've just got a new Lab Top and downloading it, I'm thinking you could use Windows Media Player to listen or no?

GreenKirby · Jan 8, 2008

Yes you can. I'm doing that

Xanderous · Jan 8, 2008

I think you misinterpreted the new airdodge mechanic which, although momentum based, doesn't require you to run before using.

MookieRah · Jan 8, 2008

I think you misinterpreted the new airdodge mechanic which, although momentum based, doesn't require you to run before using.

You don't have to run before doing it, but because it doesn't alter your momentum you cannot alter your flight path, so to speak.

RDK · Jan 8, 2008

Xanderous said:
I think you misinterpreted the new airdodge mechanic which, although momentum based, doesn't require you to run before using.

That's my bad, then. It is momentum-based, though, and you still have to use directional input.

You don't have to run before doing it, but because it doesn't alter your momentum you cannot alter your flight path, so to speak.

I'm kind of lukewarm about some people being able to use their second jump / Up-B after airdodging. What are your guys's thoughts on this?

BrawlinNess · Jan 8, 2008

Not to be mean but this does sound like a rip-off of the one podcast the Frog guy is doing...

MookieRah · Jan 8, 2008

Not to be mean but this does sound like a rip-off of the one podcast the Frog guy is doing...

These guys have been planning this for even longer than he has, although they were discussing it on their personal forums. Besides, Frog can still do his podcast if he wants to, I'm sure a lot of people would want to listen to various opinions and stuff.

I'm kind of lukwarm about some people being able to use their second jump / Up-B after airdodging. What are your guys's thoughts on this?

I can see it being a good thing. It seems that it's set in place to prevent combos from getting out of hand. Actually if you think about a lot of the new Brawl elements and how universal they are, it's very similar to how Guilty Gear provide ways to prevent infinites and ridiculous stuff from occuring; however, it isn't nearly as complicated as Guilty Gear.

Xanderous · Jan 8, 2008

MookieRah said:
You don't have to run before doing it, but because it doesn't alter your momentum you cannot alter your flight path, so to speak.

Right. Glad we're on the same page. I was afraid I'd confused it with something else.

As far as the new mechanic goes, I welcome it. Like you guys said, it means no more suicides because of accidental airdodges and since it no longer counts as your third jump, I expect it to be used much more often for actual dodges.

GreenKirby · Jan 8, 2008

Red Darkstar Kirby said:
I'm kind of lukewarm about some people being able to use their second jump / Up-B after airdodging. What are your guys's thoughts on this?

I see that as a good thing as a Kirby player who could go up against a missle happy Samus

IsmaR · Jan 8, 2008

RDK's voice is so smexy

Very good podcast, now to listen to the 2nd one ^_^

RDK · Jan 8, 2008

GreenKirby said:
I see that as a good thing as a Kirby player who could go up against a missle happy Samus

Yeah, that's true. Especially if some people's airdodges are different / unique.

RDK's voice is so smexy
Very good podcast, now to listen to the 2nd one ^_^

*BLUSHES*

the kilt · Jan 8, 2008

I'm excited to listen to this and I'll edit this post once I finish listening to both episodes.

Tom · Jan 8, 2008

RDK, I think your voice vs. my voice in a podcast would just be sex.

you guys did a great job on this.

SiD · Jan 8, 2008

Subscribe.

Don't ditch me next time

-_-

Loooooni · Jan 8, 2008

Really nice job ardee cant wait for the next one and people this is not a copy that frog guys thread appeared after RDK's podcast was out even.....

BrawlinNess · Jan 8, 2008

Either way, it seems suspicious...

And either way his is better so w/e.

RDK · Jan 8, 2008

BrawlinNess said:
Either way, it seems suspicious...

And either way his is better so w/e.

Isn't "better" subjective?

And, just out of curiousity, how is it better?

Loooooni · Jan 8, 2008

Hmmm his hasn't even had a real episode and it's better???? Wow ok anyways how does it feel to be out of the pyscho ward????

MookieRah · Jan 8, 2008

@BrawlinNess
Look, there isn't anything wrong with having competition in the first place. Secondly, your attacks aren't warranted, nor are they in good taste. Lastly, they have already released a few podcasts, and even though it's in it's early stages they have done something other than talk about it.

I'm endorsing this podcast though, cause I know the P2W guys pretty well. I'm gonna get in touch with some of the peepz I know to garner potential guests, as well as call my friend Graham Hancock who runs the 10thwonder podcast, which is currently the #1 Heroes podcast in the US and see if I can get him to critique the P2W podcast and give some constructive feedback as to things to make it more professional.

RDK · Jan 8, 2008

MookieRah said:
I'm endorsing this podcast though, cause I know the P2W guys pretty well. I'm gonna get in touch with some of the peepz I know to garner potential guests, as well as call my friend Graham Hancock who runs the 10thwonder podcast, which is currently the #1 Heroes podcast in the US and see if I can get him to critique the P2W podcast and give some constructive feedback as to things to make it more professional.

Wow! That would definetely be something worth looking into. After all, the whole point of this podcast is to service the Smash community, and we want to make it as good as possible.

Also, an important update: for all of the iTunes users out there, Buzz is going to be hosting an RSS feed of the podcast files on his blog so that I can upload them to iTunes. If you would prefer subscribing to our podcast instead of downloading each individual episode, then this is for you.

It will be up on iTunes as soon as we get them hosted on Buzz's blog.

Zek · Jan 8, 2008

About episode 2, you guys really need to have a foil if you're going to debate controversial issues, i.e. a relatively casual player to argue with. You guys made a lot of exaggerations and strawman arguments that were frustrating to listen to. I understand the podcast is about competitive play, but no matter what your position is it's boring listening to a bunch of guys just bashing on newbs and agreeing with eachother. Not to say that your positions were all wrong, there just needs to be a counterpoint or debating "the issues" is meaningless. What makes a debate interesting is people bouncing their ideas off of eachother.

MookieRah · Jan 8, 2008

Not to say that your positions were all wrong, there just needs to be a counterpoint or debating "the issues" is meaningless. What makes a debate interesting is people bouncing their ideas off of eachother.

Yeah that is true, it did get heavy there with the whole prophet issue; however, they weren't really bashing casual players but merely gullible people that were being noobs at life. BUT, it is true that you guys make sure not to trounce on the casual side too much, otherwise it would be bad. Perhaps someone should play the devil's advocate in those situations?

RDK · Jan 8, 2008

Zek said:
About episode 2, you guys really need to have a foil if you're going to debate controversial issues, i.e. a relatively casual player to argue with. You guys made a lot of exaggerations and strawman arguments that were frustrating to listen to. I understand the podcast is about competitive play, but no matter what your position is it's boring listening to a bunch of guys just bashing on newbs and agreeing with eachother. Not to say that your positions were all wrong, there just needs to be a counterpoint or debating "the issues" is meaningless. What makes a debate interesting is people bouncing their ideas off of eachother.

MookieRah said:
Yeah that is true, it did get heavy there with the whole prophet issue; however, they weren't really bashing casual players but merely gullible people that were being noobs at life. BUT, it is true that you guys make sure not to trounce on the casual side too much, otherwise it would be bad. Perhaps someone should play the devil's advocate in those situations?

The great thing about this podcast is that we value people's opinions, and the whole point is to reflect the Smash community. We have been actually talking about the idea of having a casuals vs. competitives debate (of sorts), so it might just come to fruition.

Ideas are welcome.

-Wolfy- · Jan 8, 2008

I am going to move my comp to another room so there isnt so much echo on my mic. I think Tom needs some credit for the pilot. It is just great how much positive feedback ive been hearing, and i agree with mookie, in order to eliminate the stereotypical competitive hating casual vibe, we need to at least be willing to play devils advocate, but Buzz and I sort of touched on that in the creators intent section. Cant thank Buzz enough for everything he's done to contribute to [p2w], because his influence has been tremendous. Glad you MSN'd me asking for the link to p2w.

slacker! · Jan 8, 2008

Amazing and very entertaining.

<3

MookieRah · Jan 8, 2008

Hey guys, looks like we bagged MikeG and friends for the podcast. Here is his response to me asking:

MikeG said:
oh yeah mos def dude. Id like to share some thoughts at some time. maybe I could get a few members from my crew too...they are better at that kinda stuff than I am lol

So yeah, good stuff there. The "You Must Recover!" podcast isn't the only one with star power.

evilflame101 · Jan 9, 2008

airdodge does not require moving, it just doesnt give you momentum, but you kinda have momentum anyway when you do jump, but you dont have to run into it. Only thing is, the arch you airdodge might become pretty predictable. Great podcast though!

k-sin · Jan 9, 2008

Just thought I'd say thanks for doing this podcast. It's really going to help me when trying to go from a non-competitive Melee player to a more competitive Brawl player.
Also I don't think that the prophets need to be worried about since the game and all it's hidden characters/secrets will probably be everywhere on the 24th or 25th (perhaps 23rd to America).

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