Zucco Style Advancing/Retreating SH Nair Advice?

[Scott Walker]

If you're unfamiliar with what I'm talking about, here is a vid for reference:

youtube.com/watch?v=BJSQWp12HtY

I hear the words coming out of his mouth....but.....but....does not compute. I just cannot seem to get this to work, and when I DO get a string of what I'll call "successful" SH nairs, they either look clunky, have awkward pauses in between each, don't cover NEARLY as much ground as his does, or a combination of the above.

Is there ANYONE out there who does this as well as Zucco does or is this man just a god among mere mortals? I'd really love some advice on this, specifically in the form of the following if possible:

1. Physically type out the input string so I can see exactly where I'm going wrong.
2. Direct me to a video guide that perhaps gives clearer directions.
3. Please, for the love of God, anything else at all.

Thanks,

 

[Blue24]

Slide your thumb from A to X/Y

 

[Fenrir VII]

practice just jumping in place. so:
X/Y > wait > A > slide to X/Y > wait > A

Do this until you can consistently SH landing nair with an immediate (buffered) rejump.
Seriously... practice this until you get it smooth before you start moving.

Once you get that, practice the left thumb with it.

So simultaneously, you are inputting:
X/Y > wait > A > slide to X/Y > wait > A...
and
Left/Right (hold) > let off (right before A) > (quick) Left/Right (hold) > let off (right before A)

practice this and it'll get smoother.
-If you are inputting fair/bair instead of nair, you aren't letting off the control stick fast enough before hitting A.
-If you are not getting the horizontal distance, you are (A) letting off the control stick too early, or (B) not mashing it left/right quickly enough after pressing A (should be able to tell which of these by when the momentum stops)
-if you are fullhopping, you're holding jump too long.
-if you are turning around, you're not inputting jump quickly enough before/after landing.

 

[ChopperDave]

I find it very helpful to map A attacks to a shoulder button. It's easier for me to alternate between X/Y and the L shoulder, for example, than it is to alternate between X/Y and A.

 

[Zori]

I'm So salty

 

[Scott Walker]

practice just jumping in place. so:
X/Y > wait > A > slide to X/Y > wait > A

Do this until you can consistently SH landing nair with an immediate (buffered) rejump.
Seriously... practice this until you get it smooth before you start moving.

Once you get that, practice the left thumb with it.

So simultaneously, you are inputting:
X/Y > wait > A > slide to X/Y > wait > A...
and
Left/Right (hold) > let off (right before A) > (quick) Left/Right (hold) > let off (right before A)

practice this and it'll get smoother.
-If you are inputting fair/bair instead of nair, you aren't letting off the control stick fast enough before hitting A.
-If you are not getting the horizontal distance, you are (A) letting off the control stick too early, or (B) not mashing it left/right quickly enough after pressing A (should be able to tell which of these by when the momentum stops)
-if you are fullhopping, you're holding jump too long.
-if you are turning around, you're not inputting jump quickly enough before/after landing.

This sounds awesome! I had practiced sliding from X/Y to A with almost no success but never thought about reversing the slide. Doing it this way seems like it will give me more time on the control stick for better horizontal coverage also. Great suggestion, I look forward to trying this out. Thanks for the tip, I'll let you know how it goes.

 

[Scott Walker]

So as an update, I tried the A > X/Y slide and found that to be pretty awkward. I ended up trying out ChopperDaves recommendation mapping one of the shoulder buttons to A. I really only ever use R for shields and rolls, so I decided to dust off my L button and map it to A attacks. This REALLY REALLY helped! I don't quite have the rhythm down yet, but just that one change did more for me in 10 seconds than all my prior practicing. If you're having a hard time with this tactic, you should definitely try this out.

 

[CopShowGuy]

I find having attack mapped to a shoulder button helpful for attacking while holding a Metal Blade as well.

 

[ENKER]

How does that work, again?

 

[Scott Walker]

Turns out I'm still not very good at this. Sad times.

 

[digiholic]

Well, first you're not good at it, then you become good at it. Keep at it and it'll become second nature eventually.

 

[Rush 2112]

I use a Wii Classic controller, the older one that is designed like an SNES controller. I remapped jump to B and attack is on Y. Makes this technique quite easy. I don't know if I could play MM the same way with a GC controller.