NESSBOUNDER
Smash Master
Just to put all this clone nonsense at rest, you guys should be ripping Falco apart instead of Wolf. Compared to Fox, Wolf is the least clony as the two of them.
It's pretty well accepted that Lucario and Luigi are not clones of Mewtwo or Mario, for the main reason that they have their own unique A attacks with many unique animations, and some custom B attacks as well. Let's take a closer look and compare Wolf to his counterparts based on what we've seen of his move set so far.
I will update with Falco's attacks once we get to see more of them. For now, we'll just stick with Fox and Wolf, since Fox is the "original".
EDIT: More attacks added thanks to This video: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=m_eb7FKPzpA
And this video:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cPz99Ogz410
UP B ATTACK
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Fox: fire fox. A charge followed by a flaming dash in the air.
Wolf: seems like a jetpack. NO CHARGE, just a sudden blast in any direction. This is comparable in difference to Luigi's up B and Mario's. Similar, yet different.
WARNING: UNCONFIRMED: in the second video, it shows Wolf using some crazy flying kick attack on the ground that I suspect to be this exact move but used at ground level. If that's the case, then everyone calling this a clone move needs to eat some humble pie.
B ATTACK
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Fox: blaster. It fires lasers at rapid speed. The lasers are thin and red and travel very fast.
Wolf: The lasers are nothing like Fox's. In fact, this move is more like Zero Suit Samus's stun gun. This move is actually not a copy of Fox's blaster at all. The animation is different, the effect is very different. This is a new move.
SIDE B ATTACK
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Fox: Fox illusion. A speedy horizontal dash.
Wolf: Has a similar move, except it goes at a slight 25degree angle. This is indeed a "cloned" move.
DOWN B ATTACK
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Fox: reflector. It's blue and hexagonal. Hits opponents away.
Wolf: Red and has blades that fan out on either side. This probably has much greater offensive power, yet nobody has managed to land it at close range yet. Seems unique enough to be considered a new move.
FORWARD SMASH ATTACK
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Fox: a leaping heel kick in Tae Kwon Do style. Moves Fox forward a bit.
Wolf: A lunging palm strike that covers a great deal of horizontal difference and has substantial lag afterwards, yet starts quickly. This is a totally new move, and is like a cross between Captain Falcon's Fsmash and the illusion move.
UP SMASH ATTACK
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Fox: flip kick. Covers a semi-circle above Fox's head starting in front of him.
Wolf: A jumping upside-down dropkick in the Capoera style that hits above him in a single motion, covering a lot more range above him and slightly to the side as his legs spin into position. Once again, massive range and is a totally unique move.
DOWN SMASH ATTACK
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Fox: a split kick that hits on either side of Fox equally. Fast with lag.
Wolf: Wolf swipes low with his claws, hitting in front of him first and then behind. A unique move that's similar in element to Link's down smash.
FORWARD TILT ATTACK
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Fox: does a quick roundhouse kick in front of him in Tae Kwon Do style.
Wolf: Wolf claws at the opponent with a swing of his arm. Lots of lag and it seems almost like a smash attack in its speed and power. Once again...a unique move.
RUNNING ATTACK
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Fox: does a running jump kick that knocks the opponent away at an angle upwards. Standard fare.
Wolf: I haven't seen this myself, but reports say that it's a running flip-kick that knocks the opponent upwards. Different animation, different attack. Orignal move.
NEUTRAL AIR
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Fox: a jump kick with leg outstretched.
Wolf: Much like Pikachu's Nair. Wolf curls himself into a ball for a multi-hit spinning attack. I don't think I need to bother pointing out that this is an original move.
UP TILT
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Fox: flexible kick over his head from behind. Hits behind and above.
Wolf: a cute little can-can kick style move. Original attack and animation.
DOWN TILT
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Fox: sweeps low with his tail
Wolf: some weird breakdancy looking kick. Kind of looks like he fell over or something. XD
DOWN AIR
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Fox: a spinning drill kick similar to Mario and Kirby in execution.
Wolf: a two-handed slash downwards between his legs with some startaup time. Confirmed to spike. More like Captain Falcon's Dair if anything else. Original attack and animation.
FORWARD AIR
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Fox: does a spinning butterfly kick in Tae Kwon Do style in the air. Hits multiple times.
Wolf: does a flying split kick for a single hit. Looks similar to Fox's Bair except it hits in front of him.
BACK THROW
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Fox: grabs the opponent and throws them backwards while shooting them with his laser.
Wolf: slings the opponent over his shoulder, jumps and kicks them away with is feet. Incredibly cool looking attack. Original animation and attack.
DOWN THROW
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Fox: throws opponent on the ground and blasts with laser.
Wolf: jumps above the opponent and scratches them with his foot ninja-style. All of Wolf's throws look really cool.
BACK AIR
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Fox: an aerial split kick.
Wolf: less of a split kick and more of a straight kick. His other leg tucks in under him when he does this move. Not an entirely original move, but at least the animation is different enough for it to be considered different from Fox's attack, at least visually.
UP AIR
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Fox: the infamous "Mc Cloud Flip". Fox flips upside down and attacks the foe with his legs.
Wolf: A strange looking attack where Wolf swings his claws over his head and ends up with his body in a starjump position. In any case, it's quite different to Fox's up air.
UP THROW
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Fox: throws opponent overhead and shoots with lasers.
Wolf: holds opponent over his head and tears into them with is claws, launching upwards. Similar to Peach's up throw in appearance.
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And that's all we've seen of Wolf as of yet, however, it's clear that he's not nearly worthy of the same "clone" title as people have been giving him just because of his red landmaster. If you're going to complain about Starfox clones, go whine about Falco. NOT WOLF.
Oh, and another piece of good old fashioned video game logic I'd like to put on the table: Speaking from the viewpoint of somebody who's dabbled in video game design and animation: (yes, I'm an animator and I'm making a character in MUGEN with original animations from the ground up, so I have some idea how this all works on a basic level)
These are the three elements that make up an attack for any specific character:
1) animation. A movement that will become the visual body of this "attack".
2) Appropriately placed hitboxes. These are collision "boxes" that have a certain frame time, and a certain size and can be placed anywhere on a character's body. When collision box A(attacking box) comes into contact with a Collision box B(connection box) the game tells the characters how to act accordingly.
3) results. The effect that the attack has if it hits.
Now for starters, Let's compare Wolf's down smash to Fox's down smash. The animation for both of them is clearly different, so we have no. 1 covered.
Secondly, the hitboxes for Fox's attack stretches low and underneath him in one large rectangle or two small rectangles on either foot. Both come out at exactly the same time. Wolf's come out one after the other. That's no. 2 covered.
Thirdly, the damage and knockback are different in the cases of both attacks. That's no3 covered as well.
Put it all together, and you have an ORIGINAL attack. And as I'm sure you monkeys would agree (or not) that original =/= clone.
Most of Wolf's entire moveset fills these three requirements.
On a side note, after watching that second video...holy cow. Wolf for God tier anyone??
It's pretty well accepted that Lucario and Luigi are not clones of Mewtwo or Mario, for the main reason that they have their own unique A attacks with many unique animations, and some custom B attacks as well. Let's take a closer look and compare Wolf to his counterparts based on what we've seen of his move set so far.
I will update with Falco's attacks once we get to see more of them. For now, we'll just stick with Fox and Wolf, since Fox is the "original".
EDIT: More attacks added thanks to This video: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=m_eb7FKPzpA
And this video:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cPz99Ogz410
UP B ATTACK
--------------------
Fox: fire fox. A charge followed by a flaming dash in the air.
Wolf: seems like a jetpack. NO CHARGE, just a sudden blast in any direction. This is comparable in difference to Luigi's up B and Mario's. Similar, yet different.
WARNING: UNCONFIRMED: in the second video, it shows Wolf using some crazy flying kick attack on the ground that I suspect to be this exact move but used at ground level. If that's the case, then everyone calling this a clone move needs to eat some humble pie.
B ATTACK
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Fox: blaster. It fires lasers at rapid speed. The lasers are thin and red and travel very fast.
Wolf: The lasers are nothing like Fox's. In fact, this move is more like Zero Suit Samus's stun gun. This move is actually not a copy of Fox's blaster at all. The animation is different, the effect is very different. This is a new move.
SIDE B ATTACK
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Fox: Fox illusion. A speedy horizontal dash.
Wolf: Has a similar move, except it goes at a slight 25degree angle. This is indeed a "cloned" move.
DOWN B ATTACK
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Fox: reflector. It's blue and hexagonal. Hits opponents away.
Wolf: Red and has blades that fan out on either side. This probably has much greater offensive power, yet nobody has managed to land it at close range yet. Seems unique enough to be considered a new move.
FORWARD SMASH ATTACK
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Fox: a leaping heel kick in Tae Kwon Do style. Moves Fox forward a bit.
Wolf: A lunging palm strike that covers a great deal of horizontal difference and has substantial lag afterwards, yet starts quickly. This is a totally new move, and is like a cross between Captain Falcon's Fsmash and the illusion move.
UP SMASH ATTACK
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Fox: flip kick. Covers a semi-circle above Fox's head starting in front of him.
Wolf: A jumping upside-down dropkick in the Capoera style that hits above him in a single motion, covering a lot more range above him and slightly to the side as his legs spin into position. Once again, massive range and is a totally unique move.
DOWN SMASH ATTACK
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Fox: a split kick that hits on either side of Fox equally. Fast with lag.
Wolf: Wolf swipes low with his claws, hitting in front of him first and then behind. A unique move that's similar in element to Link's down smash.
FORWARD TILT ATTACK
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Fox: does a quick roundhouse kick in front of him in Tae Kwon Do style.
Wolf: Wolf claws at the opponent with a swing of his arm. Lots of lag and it seems almost like a smash attack in its speed and power. Once again...a unique move.
RUNNING ATTACK
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Fox: does a running jump kick that knocks the opponent away at an angle upwards. Standard fare.
Wolf: I haven't seen this myself, but reports say that it's a running flip-kick that knocks the opponent upwards. Different animation, different attack. Orignal move.
NEUTRAL AIR
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Fox: a jump kick with leg outstretched.
Wolf: Much like Pikachu's Nair. Wolf curls himself into a ball for a multi-hit spinning attack. I don't think I need to bother pointing out that this is an original move.
UP TILT
-----------
Fox: flexible kick over his head from behind. Hits behind and above.
Wolf: a cute little can-can kick style move. Original attack and animation.
DOWN TILT
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Fox: sweeps low with his tail
Wolf: some weird breakdancy looking kick. Kind of looks like he fell over or something. XD
DOWN AIR
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Fox: a spinning drill kick similar to Mario and Kirby in execution.
Wolf: a two-handed slash downwards between his legs with some startaup time. Confirmed to spike. More like Captain Falcon's Dair if anything else. Original attack and animation.
FORWARD AIR
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Fox: does a spinning butterfly kick in Tae Kwon Do style in the air. Hits multiple times.
Wolf: does a flying split kick for a single hit. Looks similar to Fox's Bair except it hits in front of him.
BACK THROW
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Fox: grabs the opponent and throws them backwards while shooting them with his laser.
Wolf: slings the opponent over his shoulder, jumps and kicks them away with is feet. Incredibly cool looking attack. Original animation and attack.
DOWN THROW
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Fox: throws opponent on the ground and blasts with laser.
Wolf: jumps above the opponent and scratches them with his foot ninja-style. All of Wolf's throws look really cool.
BACK AIR
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Fox: an aerial split kick.
Wolf: less of a split kick and more of a straight kick. His other leg tucks in under him when he does this move. Not an entirely original move, but at least the animation is different enough for it to be considered different from Fox's attack, at least visually.
UP AIR
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Fox: the infamous "Mc Cloud Flip". Fox flips upside down and attacks the foe with his legs.
Wolf: A strange looking attack where Wolf swings his claws over his head and ends up with his body in a starjump position. In any case, it's quite different to Fox's up air.
UP THROW
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Fox: throws opponent overhead and shoots with lasers.
Wolf: holds opponent over his head and tears into them with is claws, launching upwards. Similar to Peach's up throw in appearance.
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And that's all we've seen of Wolf as of yet, however, it's clear that he's not nearly worthy of the same "clone" title as people have been giving him just because of his red landmaster. If you're going to complain about Starfox clones, go whine about Falco. NOT WOLF.
Oh, and another piece of good old fashioned video game logic I'd like to put on the table: Speaking from the viewpoint of somebody who's dabbled in video game design and animation: (yes, I'm an animator and I'm making a character in MUGEN with original animations from the ground up, so I have some idea how this all works on a basic level)
These are the three elements that make up an attack for any specific character:
1) animation. A movement that will become the visual body of this "attack".
2) Appropriately placed hitboxes. These are collision "boxes" that have a certain frame time, and a certain size and can be placed anywhere on a character's body. When collision box A(attacking box) comes into contact with a Collision box B(connection box) the game tells the characters how to act accordingly.
3) results. The effect that the attack has if it hits.
Now for starters, Let's compare Wolf's down smash to Fox's down smash. The animation for both of them is clearly different, so we have no. 1 covered.
Secondly, the hitboxes for Fox's attack stretches low and underneath him in one large rectangle or two small rectangles on either foot. Both come out at exactly the same time. Wolf's come out one after the other. That's no. 2 covered.
Thirdly, the damage and knockback are different in the cases of both attacks. That's no3 covered as well.
Put it all together, and you have an ORIGINAL attack. And as I'm sure you monkeys would agree (or not) that original =/= clone.
Most of Wolf's entire moveset fills these three requirements.
On a side note, after watching that second video...holy cow. Wolf for God tier anyone??
