"Whoops Not a Time Flower, Just YouTube." Lucario Video Thread

[Croi]

I played Will Walsh for about two hours on his stream earlier. We went our mains for a little while but then we goofed off and started using whoever.

Here's the recording. The times the Lucario boards would be interested in are 11:20 (He's thinking of picking up Lucario so we did the ditto. I'm really happy with game 3) and 3:42:30 until 4:14:25 (includes some Wario). Every match after was either Duck Hunt or some random stuff. Last match was Lucario vs Sheik but let's not talk about that one.

All told I'm really happy with how well I did against the man the myth the legend even though Lucario didn't win a single match (except the ditto). Most of that I attribute to lame junk like getting Aura Sphere offstage instead of Force Palm, and the very rare but not insignificant lag spike.

 

[DireWolf]

Really loving the movement and spacing going on in this set: youtube.com/watch?v=Respnw45o4g

Having some trouble following a few things, though. Are there any particular input tricks to getting the sliding ES landings from extreme angles? I remember reading somewhere on these boards that ideal approaches were from either ~45 degrees or parallel to the stage, but I often end up just above the ground and drop into the longer ending animation. Is it just a matter of practice and familiarity with aura scaling?
I also hardly ever saw Kami using Dtilt. What reason was there to use it over Ftilt or Utilt in a given situation?

Hello Lucario boards! Sm4sh is the first entry in the series I've made any attempt to understand/play competitively, so apologies if I end up asking anything too familiar.

e: Crawled the boards a bit more and removed some more well covered questions.

 

[Nominate10]

Got 3rd at a recent local. 60+ entrants.
Here's the sets I played on the recording setup:

WR4: Nom vs Stewyian : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7RJWW8Bup4
Played pretty bad in this set. Bonus Alph in there as a result of experimenting in the matchup.

LR8: Nom vs Zyth : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp_4w2t0Hgg
Game 1 was unfortunately not recorded. Game 2 I got kinda bodied early on.

LSF: Nom vs Samn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZmC8_vUcsA
Don't really know what to say about this one. People in my state just don't understand how to fight DK I guess.

LF: Nom vs Stewyian: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtLAROmWTmM
Rematch against the player that put me in losers. Much closer this time. Had a lot of fun and was starting to get the rhythm of this matchup (I've played quite a bit of it as you can see)

Any thoughts are welcome.

 

[Croi]

Whenever you get a stock, you shouldn't Extreme Speed to the other side of the stage. I know why you're doing it, but all you're accomplishing is giving yourself RCO lag and you get the same effect you want just by grabbing the nearest ledge instead. E: it even came back to bite you in loser's finals at 2:30.

Starting at ~70%, if you turn your back to Sonic and start charging an AS, the sphere will be large enough to beat Sonic's spindash and dash attack. Against Zyth on Duck Hunt at roughly :43, your charge could have easily trumped his spindash, but you chickened into a shield instead. Depending on how close he is, you can jump cancel usmash out of it and wreck his day a little more.

Weird that Samn would switch off Donkey Kong when Delfino has historically been a good stage for him.

 

[Croi]

Double post for content. Got third at a local last Sunday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryIylKkAsr8
Kinda meh. I have a bad habit of playing at my opponent's level so I made some silly mistakes here. Still won pretty badly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfyrQMZp5rs
This might just be my local Ganondorfs but this is a pretty easy MU.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB7qT_yxwJk
Don't shield on the platform Otherwise this was a really fun match!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7XswQD89JE
Firefly is one of the best Yoshi's in Brawl and he was visiting my little end of Canada for the weekend. He was pretty fun to fight. The first match went mostly pretty poorly and I missed an easy tech second stock, but then this happened.

Loser's Finals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CEyjWOAZLI
Featuring some Duck Hunt Dog. What I learned is to fight ROB on FD whenever possible. Made a really dumb mistake on the last match that cost me the set

Comments are cool!

 

[Nominate10]

Yeah I've stopped the extremespeed thing. It's just one of those things I do until people start punishing it (but sometimes i end up doing it habitually, so yeah..).
I didn't know the specifics of the aura sphere beating out spindash, so I didn't bother to utilize it. But I will definitely keep that in mind.

I think Samn just wanted to try something different since his DK got 2stocked. Lol

 

[blaze1216j]

Well, this video a month ago, and it's Lucario Vs. Peach in for glory. Not the best video, but I got a couple of other videos that I use Lucario as well.

 

[Pentao]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT4X9mirHTE

Here's a match between a Palutena (Explosive Flame, Warp, Super Speed, Lightweight) Vs. a Lucario in winner's semis of a Finnish tournament. The Lucario plays with Snaring Sphere in the first match but drops it quickly.

 

[Loota]

Yeah, that's me. That's the first time I played vs. a Palutena with customs and boy it was crazy, it felt like she could ignore every single law in Smash by speeding around and ignoring shields with explosive flame. I didn't really know which AS to use against her, the switch after the first game was purely experimental.

I placed 2nd at that tournament and I have a couple of other videos up too (vs. Jebu's DK in LSF, vs. Schwa's Diddy in LF and vs. Kinuski's Palutena in GF). The Diddy hadn't played against snaring AS before and didn't exactly know how to deal with it but I still felt it will be invaluable in the MU. We can basically hold the banana as long as we like and still be able to use two incredible zoning moves in AS and FP and also threaten them with the deadly command grab. ...also see 3:14 into the set, gotta love that cheese.

As for the GF's, Skinutski was so deep in my head that I cannot comprehend. I managed to screw up my counterpick too by picking Lylat which I didn't realize was such a pain for recovering safely onto the stage. I kind of wanted to clear my head and ended up picking Samus despite knowing I could definitely do better than in the first two matches still using Lucario.

 

[Croi]

vs. Schwa's Diddy in LF

1:49

Say again?

 

[Pentao]

Yeah, that's me. That's the first time I played vs. a Palutena with customs and boy it was crazy, it felt like she could ignore every single law in Smash by speeding around and ignoring shields with explosive flame. I didn't really know which AS to use against her, the switch after the first game was purely experimental.

I placed 2nd at that tournament and I have a couple of other videos up too (vs. Jebu's DK in LSF, vs. Schwa's Diddy in LF and vs. Kinuski's Palutena in GF). The Diddy hadn't played against snaring AS before and didn't exactly know how to deal with it but I still felt it will be invaluable in the MU. We can basically hold the banana as long as we like and still be able to use two incredible zoning moves in AS and FP and also threaten them with the deadly command grab. ...also see 3:14 into the set, gotta love that cheese.

As for the GF's, Skinutski was so deep in my head that I cannot comprehend. I managed to screw up my counterpick too by picking Lylat which I didn't realize was such a pain for recovering safely onto the stage. I kind of wanted to clear my head and ended up picking Samus despite knowing I could definitely do better than in the first two matches still using Lucario.

You've got some very nice Wave bouncing play with your aura sphere charges.

Personally, against Palutena who isn't using reflect, I like the standard sphere. You can't use snaring as an off-stage option to help you recover as well, while the default sphere can at least scare opponents away from camping your recovery. Snaring Sphere is mainly useful for camping recoveries or approaching characters who are REALLY slow so you can mix them up with grabs or chasing their options to escape the Snare, but since Palutena is so mobile with customs, it gets very difficult to punish with snare outside of camping recovery options. Also, Palutena can't infinite Lightweight if you pick a stage without platforms, like any Omega stage, so there's always that.

But yeah, it's pretty tough when someone gets in your head, it starts to feel like every choice you make is a bad one.

 

[SmashRacer]

Got my game capture device today
And here's clip from a friendlies match some time ago. It's an example of how silly Lucario dittos can be

Lucario dittos are plenty of fun to play anyways

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhmU7_mRqys

 

[Shinymonkey8]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo3JkJdA1QM WSF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMcWKfuC2K4 LQF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsNPD7qx7FM LSF


Here are my stream matches from my region's monthly. I ended up getting 4th out of around 50 which is fine by me. 2 Ganons in top 5 though... 0_o

 

[Croi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsNPD7qx7FM LSF

Dash attack kills Luma dead if you didn't know. You'll probably get grabbed out of it but imo that's a minor trade for getting that goddamn starfish out of your hair for a little while.

 

[Enemis]

So I've been working on this interesting combo. Not entirely sure if its a true combo or not. It only works at certain percentages you have to be at least 90 (ish) percent with lucario, and at least 130 percent for the other character. if they'r 150 or higher it wont work either. its a very situational combo, but everytime I set it up correctly with the percents it hits, and typically kills too. Its very risky if you miss though for obvious reasons. But DANG is it a good feeling when you pull it off. As you can see the opponent didn't see it coming either XD. I'll keep experimenting with it. I know that you can do it with up throw too but the percentages have to be slightly different since up throw makes them go lower. feel free to try it for yourselves, just be sure to practice it a lot before trying it on a human XD

 

[DireWolf]

@Steam, what happened to the vods from your most recent monthly? COSmash just wiped its broadcast history.
WF and GF were both really impressive
and we got this

 

[Croi]

I had a small Round Robin last Sunday. Came in 1st! Here are some videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1IMY8GYmKM Olimar's a pain in the **** and it's surprising not a lot of people use him. I tried some customs against him and Snaring seems to be pretty OP in this MU.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ku6P2a5_D4 This guy hogs a lot of screentime and he isn't even that good...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwRZzF5An9Y Don't do what I did and choke your leads away, especially against Luigi. I managed to clutch it out but I have no excuse letting it get as close as it got.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jnk3WRPq4vw This is one of our better players in our region. Ganon's not as scary as everybody thinks. If you're on the edge about the MU, give this video a look.

 

[Dexmaster]

I'd love to see some matches against Fox. He seems to be a pretty good matchup against Lucario.

 

[Croi]

MORE VIDEOS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f540Q1QOTYw - I might need more Toon Link practice. I didn't have as good a handle on this match as I would have liked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND5ZDbHmtSs - Pretty standard stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHxtLNQjLMw - This guy normally mains Luigi and Sheik but he tried to jank me with Donkey Kong, thinking that the Mock Tornado custom would be overpowered enough to win. Whoops! Although to be fair my Duck Hunt did better than my Lucario.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjYhf2cpaoI - I tried to be cute with Charizard but that didn't quite work out. I really enjoyed my match on Kongo Jungle 64 (Lucario's best stage by far imo) and the very last kill of the set, which was BRAS into JCUS. Some highlights: here and here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6m-QRMrbWA - Grand Finals. The second match didn't start very well for Robin.

 

[Ffamran]

From terminalkai, vs. Peach: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIISTVbN-K0.

 

[Ryusuta]

MORE VIDEOS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f540Q1QOTYw - I might need more Toon Link practice. I didn't have as good a handle on this match as I would have liked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND5ZDbHmtSs - Pretty standard stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHxtLNQjLMw - This guy normally mains Luigi and Sheik but he tried to jank me with Donkey Kong, thinking that the Mock Tornado custom would be overpowered enough to win. Whoops! Although to be fair my Duck Hunt did better than my Lucario.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjYhf2cpaoI - I tried to be cute with Charizard but that didn't quite work out. I really enjoyed my match on Kongo Jungle 64 (Lucario's best stage by far imo) and the very last kill of the set, which was BRAS into JCUS. Some highlights: here and here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6m-QRMrbWA - Grand Finals. The second match didn't start very well for Robin.

Man, I would love to play you one day. Sadly, I only have the 3DS version. But I always enjoy your matches regardless!

 

[Venusaur Trainer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2koXbTW8z8 - vs

LSF of the first local tournament I got into. I ranked third, losing twice to the player who ended up 1st (round robin and loser's final). Too bad they didn't record the loser's final, cause I played better IMO even if I lost.

Opponent was playing a pretty solid Yoshi and left me kinda clueless for some time. Nothing felt pretty safe in the air, and she was putting much pressure on my ground game with Yoshi's side-B, and that blasted down-B that I can't seem to work around. I read it pretty well for the most part and baited it well enough, but I couldn't get to punish it because of the shockwave preventing me to dash-grab and Force palm being too slow.
Counterpicked with Charizard and we then had a Charizard ditto (from 6:10 to 14:50). The last two games were back to Lucario Vs Yoshi.

I sure ain't an apex-level player and even I see much room for improvement (I didn't remember having been that close to losing the fourth game until I saw the replay).
Please feel free to give any advice/criticism, I'm really trying to step up my game at that point.

 

[PEPESPAIN]

 

[Croi]

It works 3x better with Snaring Sphere if customs are legal.

 

[Pentao]

It works 3x better with Snaring Sphere if customs are legal.

Having done that, I agree. Pocketed Snares are so dumb. Every stage has a Halberd ceiling.

 

[SmashRacer]

An intense match I had against a Diddy player in a Online EU Tourney held way back on the 6th February
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1uSWtqMQDQ

 

[Loota]

Came 2nd at a tournament, 4th time in a row x_x

Winner's Finals vs.
Loser's Finals vs.
Grand Finals vs.

Playing against Diddy is such a mental challenge with practically all of his moves beating our normals. I think I did pretty good still and the sets could have went either way depending on some really close situations. The only thing I would do differently is to go for more FP kills, it looks like I completely forgot about the move at some points lawl

Why is running fsmash so hard to dooooo, I could've got a few kills if I didn't screw up those. I got killed instantly after those situations too to add up to the frustration.

EDIT: I almost forgot I tried Snaring in the first two matches in WF. While I lost those two matches, it was totally my own fault as I still don't feel totally comfortable in using it and changed out of it match 3. I still feel like it's potentially really good alternative vs. Diddy, losing those games made me only more determined to expolre its potential as I know I'm at fault myself.

 

[Pentao]

Came 2nd at a tournament, 4th time in a row x_x

Winner's Finals vs.
Loser's Finals vs.
Grand Finals vs.

Playing against Diddy is such a mental challenge with practically all of his moves beating our normals. I think I did pretty good still and the sets could have went either way depending on some really close situations. The only thing I would do differently is to go for more FP kills, it looks like I completely forgot about the move at some points lawl

Why is running fsmash so hard to dooooo, I could've got a few kills if I didn't screw up those. I got killed instantly after those situations too to add up to the frustration.

EDIT: I almost forgot I tried Snaring in the first two matches in WF. While I lost those two matches, it was totally my own fault as I still don't feel totally comfortable in using it and changed out of it match 3. I still feel like it's potentially really good alternative vs. Diddy, losing those games made me only more determined to expolre its potential as I know I'm at fault myself.

I felt like in the matches where you used Snaring, the Diddy player had this mentality of "I ain't havin' none of that!" and just tried his damndest to avoid them completely - he would often jump over them, monkey flip past them, anything to get to the other side where he could typically stop thinking about them. I feel that maybe you could have punished his attempts to escape the snares more often, or at least used them as a way to position him more.

IMO Snaring is strongest when used against an opponent hanging on the ledge since it just covers so many options, but it didn't seem like you had an opportunity to go for that.


Overall though, I really like your playstyle, as it feels pretty technical. The JC d-airs out of Aura Sphere charge are amusing too. You have a ton of control over extremespeed (minus that one SD on Battlefield) and I'm pretty amazed that you can land correctly so often. You played impressively overall. Grats on second, always a good placing.

 

[Forre]

Managed to make it into bracket and faced Samura1man's Luigi, after losing a set for Shulk in the same tournament.
Losers Bracket vs. w ww.youtube.com/watch?v=uOmDR5VxqAY&feature=youtu.be

(Can't post links yet, so url must be copy/pasted and the space after the first "w" must be erased, sorry)

I didn't feel very confident during the matches. Luigi is pretty unfamiliar to me and I was very afraid of Luigi's low startup lag moves. Still managed to win the set somehow. Placed 7th in the end after winning also a set against Small Mii Brawler with a timeout, lol.

I'd happily receive some feedback on how to play against Luigi.

(Was very hyped about Loota being in the finals, was always shouting when something nice happened by Loota :D)

 

[Ffamran]

From Team Ragnorak, Charl's Lucario and Marth vs. Manny Manito's Falco: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LbSQ7ZY3lA.

 

[Red Panda 0bjection]

Here is a match I recorded at Final Round. Day(Lucario) vs Shofu(Fox)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wfc-cuY4FV0&index=15&list=PLVWuUiVMTy1B4In3k6vp2Ui4kjqEGnfcG

 

[Ffamran]

EE's Ike and Lucario vs. Keep2D's Mr. Game & Watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aX36f6WLyE.

 

[AlexoftheAura]

A few videos from last weekend. Got singles, doubles, and some Ganondorf.

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https://youtu.be/rH4E9Bzb_z8

https://youtu.be/E5Mg2cwrYH8

https://youtu.be/DrjtFwLRnAA

https://youtu.be/ENNXtSoMy7w

https://youtu.be/QttWi8ZKtTY
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[collapse=Doubles]
https://youtu.be/-fPznMNouK8

https://youtu.be/j8k2HPDqY-A

https://youtu.be/k6JX3CzTTBM
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[Jtails]

Hey guys! So I just made a general competitive guide on Lucario, I'm sure it isn't perfect, but I do think it would be a great resource for anyone new who is interested in picking up the character. Also, soon You can expect to see me using Lucario in tournament soon. Once I'm able to dedicate more time to him. Any constructive criticism on the video is welcomed! Thanks

 

[DomBadZZZ]

Hey guys! So I just made a general competitive guide on Lucario, I'm sure it isn't perfect, but I do think it would be a great resource for anyone new who is interested in picking up the character. Also, soon You can expect to see me using Lucario in tournament soon. Once I'm able to dedicate more time to him. Any constructive criticism on the video is welcomed! Thanks

Looks good, definitely check out this thread on more to do out of ASC http://smashboards.com/threads/wavebouncing-and-you-applications-of-neutral-b-wavebouncing.385942/

Kill confirms from ASC to jump cancelled up smash is a thing on most characters and should be used by all lucarios

Some other short combos that you can use are: dtilt > dash attack, fair > AS, nair > dash grab, first hit of dair > FP, and several aerials can be used out of up throw: upthrow > fair > fair, upthrow > upair, upthrow > nair > dair, you get the idea

Glad to here you're picking up the character we could always use more representation!

 

[Jtails]

Looks good, definitely check out this thread on more to do out of ASC http://smashboards.com/threads/wavebouncing-and-you-applications-of-neutral-b-wavebouncing.385942/

Kill confirms from ASC to jump cancelled up smash is a thing on most characters and should be used by all lucarios

Some other short combos that you can use are: dtilt > dash attack, fair > AS, nair > dash grab, first hit of dair > FP, and several aerials can be used out of up throw: upthrow > fair > fair, upthrow > upair, upthrow > nair > dair, you get the idea

Glad to here you're picking up the character we could always use more representation!

Just checked it out, wow those are really nice applications of wave bouncing! Perhaps I could perform them in my for glory segment and link to this thread as well! If that's okay with you.

 

[DomBadZZZ]

Just checked it out, wow those are really nice applications of wave bouncing! Perhaps I could perform them in my for glory segment and link to this thread as well! If that's okay with you.

Oh be my guest, looking forward to the for glory segment!

Just FYI this guy calls it wave bouncing but he's just b-reversing theres a slight difference in the way you face, if you want to learn more here's a thread about it http://smashboards.com/threads/turnaround-bs-b-reverses-and-wavebounces-know-the-difference.334389/

 

[qwerty1418]

I've been playing lucario for the past few months, and I went to my first tournament this weekend where my 2 losses managed to get streamed.
www. twitch.tv/pastimelegends/c/6482833 vs dedede/diddy
www. twitch.tv/pastimelegends/c/6483522 vs mii brawler
Any tips to improve would be appreciated.

 

[Croi]

Gonna dump some more videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsM-yZY4kog
Nothing too special. This Sheik is hardly top-tier but he's been going to more events lately so it's good to see him get better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p8DdYuUTCw
Ganondorf is fun to fight until the last stock. He took me to Lylat because he knew Lucario didn't work well there, but I had a secret weapon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYJ7lAHuXMA
Still don't know how to beat ROB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yMMdCJFEK0 Loser's Finals
Holy **** am I ever happy with how game 3 turned out. We exchanged 3-stocking each other, and then game 3 was just a roller coaster of emotion. Let this go to show you: Lucario can bring back any match, no matter how dire it might seem. It's a good thing I was playing so badly or else I wouldn't have had the Aura to pull out the win AM I RIGHT OR WHAT FELLAS
"If any character and player can bring it back, it's Lucario and Croi"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdD1eVzQVNk Grand Finals 1
Game 2 is the same way. ROB was slapping me around, as they are wont to do, but then I buckled down, saddled up, and told him "nah, bruh." I'm happier with the Robin match because I feel Raziek plays much better than Drake does, but I have trouble dealing with ROB's movement, so in this match I felt I was beating the character rather than the player.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5f24G7Cjbc Grand Finals 2
Lylat was my match to lose. But Rosalina can **** right off in general.

Also, some doubles:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnt5sNgqU94
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhA3EPIO_KU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P9QSjPDeAM Winner's Finals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mif2PxqkPXY Grand Finals

ROB is an interesting character to team with. We both move really well; we both combo into each other well; we both have great recoveries; we both have strong projectiles. I can't really think of how this team fails (although anything + Villager is almost guaranteed to be stronger).

 

[Loota]

Good job Croi, I'll be sure to give a look at those when school isn't bullying me. I'm just gonna dump my own videos as well from my last tournament for now.

Losers Finals vs.
Grand Finals vs.

EDIT: And here's the Grand Finals of doubles. I wasn't playing Lucario myself as I though Samus would be better at disrupting pocketing snarings, Forre's the one causing all this misery ;-;