Smash 4 is the first to have DLC of any kind so its going to be a test bed in terms of character inclusions. It's definitely not a service where you get X characters for base with regular DLC characters and whatever interval. Right now there are 54 tiles in the Wii U version including Random and Mii fighters. Right now we know there are currently 2 hidden mario's in the code and there is space for 2 more characters. The original tiles pre Roy/Ryu/Lucas had a lot of empty space hence why the current set up cut a lot of the side space from each tile.
Before Ryu/Roy/Lucas there was just 1 place in the CSS. But they changed it. Why they can't change it now? If really there isn't space, they could just create a window for DLC, like for the Mii fighter. Besides, on the 3DS there isn't anymore space.
Sakurai has also said that they aren't going to be making too many more characters and only being a year out from the NX reveal and possibly another year before its release support for Smash is going to end sooner rather then later and be more limited than inclusive. Of course he can't be seen bagging out his characters regardless of how trivial they are. A better anology would be that they are topping on a cake. The cake itself is what people like, the topping doesn't make or break the cake and can be changed quite easily.
I haven't made that paragon, Sakurai did, and he surely knows better than you and me what it means to create characters.
Character slots should be for archetype diversity, and in 95% of the time that is why they are. Different playstyles. No-one complains about Alph or Wendy because those are done right, extra's without the limits. Characters are limited and why Dark Pit and Doctor Mario aren't skins is mind boggling.
Nobody complains because nobody ever trough that they would even be considered. Besides, their place as alts makes sense (Alph uses Pikmin, Wendy makes sense to use the Bowser Army's Clown Car) but for Dr. Mario doesn't make sense to trow fireballs and have the FLUDD, for Lucina to be as big as Marth and Dark Pit to use the Three Secret Treasure.
Statistically wolf is the least clone character in the entire series. By that logic Wario should be cut because Mario has his colours, Waluigi should never happen because Mario has his colours. Roy should have not come back because Marth has his colours. It's a throwback not a reason to not include characters.
This is exactly what I wrote. But again it looks like you don't really read what I wrote.
Character wise, Doctor Mario is still Mario but with a different Job. However his smash representation makes little effort to show that. If they had even bothered to put in a tiny amount of effort to differentiate the 2 like Falcon/Ganon it would be tolerable at best. Doctor Mario is unique enough to be a fighter in his own right but not enough to give him his own playstyle that shows off his medical/doctorness? Pills is a basic visual throwback to him being a Doctor but nothing else about him makes the Connection to the Doctor part of Doctor Mario. It's lazy padding.
Dr. Mario don't need a revamped moveset. His fans wanted it and they have got it. Veteran have to keep their moveset, with some little changes over the times, but still the core must be the same. Of course some new moves would be always better (possibly in next games), but he is still different enought for being a separate character from Mario. And what a medic moveset would be, I'm really curious to hear it from you.
We have customs and skins for a reason. If Sakurai wants to have an online mode where you cant use customs thats his choice to balance it that way. Although thats more of a justification to have online modes where customs can be used not to create lazy characters for pandering purposes.
Online custom modes would be cool, and I would finally use Palutena online.
Lucina won't return in Smash 5. At least Lucina and Marth have a justification for being separate. Doctor Mario *IS* Mario. Press X on Pit 3 times and there is your Dark Pit. Press Y on Dark Pit twice and there is your Pit. Throwbacks are one thing, having both characters have the colour palette of the other character is another. Dark Pit is in because Sakurai bias. If Link can get a Fierce Diety skin, Pit can just have a dark pit skin. At least Fierce Deity would be unique.
Set these words, Lucina will return in Smash 5. Maybe decloned, but she will be back.
That is not Dark Pit, and the other isn't Pit. They aren't even similar. It's like to say that the withe/black Mario skin is Dr. Mario.
That's a huge unjustified stretch to try to play that one and you know it.
It's your logic with Dr. Mario, bro.
We don't know Roy was in development for the whole 8 months after Wii U smash. They could have easily kept Doctor mario and friends back, no-one would have cared and then they could have come back as actual characters which could keep the DLC train all the way going till Smash 5. They won't make that many non-veteran character DLC because that would ruin a lot of new inclusions for Smash 5. Doctor Mario never made it to the final Brawl roster and no-body cared. If one of the main reasons Doctor Mario should come back because he was in the game once and nothing about the character itself thats a poor reason. It is padding, not I think its padding.
Of course Roy was in development since then. He already have sound files added in April, wich means that at the time he was almost complete as Lucas. For being at that point at least 4 mounts are needed, so if not right after Smash Wii U launch, they've started working on DLC since January.
That would have been strange, but cool. Look, I' ve never said I was against decloning them.
Paper Mario is a bigger franchise than Doctor Mario, he would be a million times better then Doctor Mario. Little mac is a good character for new players to try and has some potential in higher play, since he simplifies the smash mechanics (and smash mechanics are already very simple) and compensates for power and super armour. That and he is a boxer which plays differently and is the first time a fighter character from another fighting game has appeared in smash. Smash isn't cannon so having moves that arent real is going to happen (a lot of smash characters dont have moves that exist so dunno why you are trying that one).
Lol nope. Dr. Mario WAY bigger than Paper. Since the NES Dr. Mario almost got a game on every consoles, and it's considered the father of puzzle games alongside Tetris.
What you say about Lil can be said for everyone. Lucina is a perfect starts for beginners and have potential for pro, Dr. Mario is a good evolution of Mario that can turn out to be way more deadly than the latter, ect ect.
Plus are you saying that "Just being a veteran is a weak reason to come back" for Dr. Mario while "Being the 1st fighting game character to join smash" is a good point for Lil? LOGIC!!1!1! "Let's put in Goku, he would be the 1st anime character!", "let's put Master Chief, he would be the first character-never-been-on-Nintendo to join!".
I'm not saying that his moves doesn't exist, but they aren't reppresentative of Punch-Out. They coul have added the Star Punch, but they haven't. This is what I hate of his inclusion.
Snake most likely got cut due to License/Konami v Kojima reasons and nothing else. He had a unique playstyle for sure and it was a shame he got cut.
Yeah, a real shame. He deserves to return more than mostly of the other 3rd party characters proposed by fans.
Clones are a result of a lack of detailed features and options. Not because they are justified in their own right. If we had custom normal moves and not just custom specials a lot of clones would no longe be needed but because Smash hasn't reached that point yet clones are a thing. The fact we are moving towards skins and custom moves is a move towards customisation and that clones won't be needed in future if we can tweak existing characters to be them while that allows more character archetypes ina game with limited slots.
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