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I'm not saying that game and watch is good, but rather, problematic for villager simply because of his up b and its windbox causing villager some serious problems recovering back on stage. Basically Game and Watch will grab the ledge and wait for you get near him...he will then drop down and bair you, if he misses you with the back air, he can still hit you with his up b which will spike you into the wall requiring your teching to be on point. If his up b misses you however, it will propel you up with its really strong windbox and leave you extremely vulnerable coming down so its a bit of a lose-lose situation when hes edgeguarding you. He will just keep you offstage until he either spikes you off the wall or finally just ends you with a bair.@zeezee , I've seen you mention Game & Watch as a good (or at least not bad) character a few times, is there a specific player you'very fought that's made you think that? Most players think he's pretty bad so it's nice to see a differijg opinion.
I've heard FOW say he thinks G&W is top 5. That's crazy to me every time he says it. I do think he's one of the more underrated characters? But top 15 is pushing it, let alone top 5!@
He might be top 5 in teams, but in singles? Lolno.
No Villager does not shut down MM at all. Pocketing Metal Blade does not force MM to not use it. The time it takes for you to pocket and take out the MB, MM has throw a crash bomb.
I was actually about to mention Great Revival.
Sorry Cody i literally joined when it was grand finals congrats on getting 7th place!
While I think Toon Link is better than Link, I think Villager has a harder time with Link.
Let me give you Villager's four most significantly bad matchupsWhile I think Toon Link is better than Link, I think Villager has a harder time with Link.
I'm looking for another character to main with Villager. Villager has some great match-ups, but some are a nightmare. I was thinking anyone of these:
Mostly to cover those pesky match-ups.
So ok, do you know how Jigglypuff does against those characters then?Let me give you Villager's four most significantly bad matchups
You are going to need someone who AT LEAST does even with all of these characters.
It has to be even because there would be no point in picking up a character that just loses to your worst MUs slightly less than Villager.
I'm probably wrong about most of these but.. I can give it a shot!
I'm not really a huge competitor, mostly 1v1 online. This is mostly due to my location which has a lack of tournaments. I know online isn't the best for preparation towards tourny play, but I do not intend to actually compete. Still, I appreciate your input. Though I would like to addLet me give you Villager's four most significantly bad matchups
You are going to need someone who AT LEAST does even with all of these characters.
It has to be even because there would be no point in picking up a character that just loses to your worst MUs slightly less than Villager.
to that list due to his power and speed combination. or even other than top/high tier characters. ..
, , , and are his worst matchups, with being surprisingly manageable. myself, his hitboxes are stupid and he's constantly in my face.
His cool down is ridiculously short as well. He doesn't have to commit to much and that's hard to deal with. Which is another reason I think Falcon is a hard match-up as well.I feel like
I have a lot of trouble with
Nah, he's a pain for me too. I just see him less. His launch resistance on his second jump makes it hard for me to gimp, which is a huge part of Villager's gameplay IMO.
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I wouldn't shy away from the top tiers because they are top tiers. Most of the time they are top tiers because they are the most fun to play. Also I am like 80% sure that Meta Knight will be number 1 in a few years...assuming no customs other wise he's going to be Top Tier
It's mostly the top characters that I don't like. For example, I don't like Shiek because I am not a fan of her character outside of Smash, not because of her moveset. I play Rosalina because I like her outside of Smash and she just happens to be top tier. Or, I play Charizard because that's my favorite Pokémon, and he seems to be around mid tier. I hope that kinda clarifies things. I'm not sure about number 1, but I do think Meta Knight is underrated. If not one of the most underrated characters in Sm4sh. he's a lot different than he was in Brawl and I think that's a big reason why people steer away from him.Falcon is relatively easy, his advantage is painful but our disadvantage is more than enough to keep him at bay. Falcon is super linear and with Lloyd he is predictable. as long as you don't give him center stage he'll eventually be knocked off the stage where our excellent edgeguarding comes into play.
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Meta Knight number 1? Could I ask why? While he's a good doubles character, I don't think I've ever lost to him 1v1, certainly not in a set. I know his nerf caused people to think he's one of the worst in the game, but given the rest of the cast, I think he is below the middle.
I don't think he's the best, but he has some nasty set-ups and somewhat reliable kill power. Disjointed hitboxes, good recovery, and great normals are other good things about Meta Knight.
You probably won against people who still think he is Brawl meta knight. Smash 4 Meta Knight is pure rushdown with edgeguarding that rivals Villager's.
I need to correct myself MK is pressure not rushdown
No, he's totally different from Villager, he actually has a good grab game instead of a just killing BThrow.
