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[_clinton]

In the battle of best head gear...who would win? Ness or Tink? Well that doesn't matter ATM...but this thread does

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=229697

Please post your opinion on what Tink has to bring to the table in a fight vs. Ness and how he might be able to overcome it...thank you for your time

 

[Sosuke]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=231629

 

[Kataefi]

Hi Tink

Spoiler

erbell xD

mains. I understand you're rediscussing this matchup so the Zelda boards have also decided to discuss the matchup here in tandem.

It would be great to hear from you all.

 

[Remzi]

Wow, without MK you guys would actually be in pretty decent shape.

 

[Sosuke]

That ratio is old. Most of them are.
It's more like 60-40 at worst.

 

[Remzi]

Ah I see. Yea I didn't think it was that bad.

You guys should update it

kinda misleading

 

[Shadow Moth]

@OP: Doesn't Snake have a bigger advantage than that?

 

[BRLNK88]

That ratio is old. Most of them are.
It's more like 60-40 at worst.

I agree, and Tink with good spacing can **** an MK with projectiles, and take advantage of his light-weightedness. A well timed fsmash kills MK at 80%, usmash at 100%, uair at 90% or even lower (it comfortably kills Marth at 100%).

 

[VietGeek]

@OP: Doesn't Snake have a bigger advantage than that?

Learn to camp. <_<

Like CAMP HARD.

 

[Everis755]

I was just wondering, as the meta game continues to evolve, will the match-ups ever get re-evaluated? I know that even though tiers change, it shouldn't mean matchups have to change, but at the same time, new ATs and whatnot always make a difference. Just askin =p.

 

[Sosuke]

We already are re-evaluating them. ^_^;

 

[Everis755]

We already are re-evaluating them. ^_^;

Thanks much for the quick reply =D. I wanted to ask questions in the ZSS thread but its been forever since somethings been posted that i was afraid to give it a bump haha. Peace!

 

[Sosuke]

Np.
Go ahead and ask here if you want. =)

 

[Pho]

I agree, and Tink with good spacing can **** an MK with projectiles, and take advantage of his light-weightedness. A well timed fsmash kills MK at 80%, usmash at 100%, uair at 90% or even lower (it comfortably kills Marth at 100%).

The metaknights you play must not know how to DI very well if you can kill them at those percentages. And since when does the knockback on a fresh upsmash beat a fresh uptilt?

 

[Everis755]

well it wasn't any one specific question, its just that up in dallas i hadn't really played any ZSS in tournys since i was lucky enough to never get paired with sethlon haha. came back home to south tx for a while and i ran into a really decent ZSS here. i'm pretty sure its more that i don't know the matchup, but still I have been getting wrecked by him on a constant basis. i've come to the conclusion that Zairing isn't as cost effective as usual since her sideB is the same spacing, but eats my Zair and blows me to hell. the only option that i've come up with is to play keep away and spam projectiles more than on any other matchup.

any tips what so ever?

 

[Sosuke]

When I first played a ZSS, I was surprised at how Zair wasn't as useful.

What I do in this match up is get up close and STAY IN HER FACE. Don't let her run, don't let her move.
Constantly be throwing bombs/ qucikdrawing whenever you land and you should have a much easier time.

 

[Everis755]

Thanks much for the tip =D. I'll let you know how it goes when i play him tomorrow <3

 

[Sosuke]

Go get 'em! ^_^

 

[Jash]

This is a directory containing currently finished discussions. As Brawl proceeds in its lifespan, there is bound to be new discoveries and tactics that may change the match-ups discussed.

You (the user) may contribute to ANY of these threads if you have something to say. All threads are open to future discussion regardless to its age, due to the fact that Brawl's metagame may indeed evolve continually and remain dynamic, in which case we may have to revisit these discussions.

*(???) - May need to be revisited.

Large Disadvantage

Meta Knight
Ratio: 70:30 Meta Knight
Discussion ended on September 22nd, 2008.

Disadvantage

Olimar
Ratio: 60:40 Olimar
Main discussion ended on July 8th, 2008. Revised discussion ended May 14th, 2009.

King Dedede
Ratio: 60:40 Dedede
Discussion ended on September 30th, 2008.

Marth
Ratio: 60:40 Marth
Discussion ended on October 08th, 2008.

Mr. Game & Watch
Ratio: 60:40 Mr. Game & Watch
Discussion ended on November 21st, 2008.

Kirby
Ratio: 60:40 Kirby
Discussion ended on December 15th, 2008.

Falco
Ratio: 60:40 Falco
Discussion ended on April 3rd, 2009.

Slight Disadvantage

Peach
Ratio: 55:45 Peach
Discussion ended on November 28th, 2008.

Fox
Ratio: 55:45 Fox
Discussion ended on January 7th, 2009.

Snake
Ratio: 55:45 Snake
Discussion ended on March 30th, 2009.

Wario
Ratio: 55:45 Wario
Discussion ended on April 14th, 2009.
* Original Thread (Outdated)

Even

Wolf
Ratio: 50:50 Even
Main discussion ended on July 22nd, 2008. Revised discussion ended June 2nd, 2009.

Pit
Ratio: 50:50 Even
Discussion ended on August 30th, 2008.

Pikachu
Ratio: 50:50 Even
Discussion ended on November 29th, 2008.

:shiek: Sheik
Ratio: 50:50 Even
Discussion ended on December 7th, 2008.

Zero Suit Samus
Ratio: 50:50 Even
Discussion ended on December 24th, 2008.

Pokémon Trainer
Ratio: 50:50 Even
Discussion ended on December 29th, 2008.

Toon Link
Ratio: 50:50 Toon Link
Discussion ended on February 28th, 2009.

R.O.B.
Ratio: 50:50 Even
Discussion ended on March 8th, 2009.

Lucario
Ratio: 50:50 Even
Discussion ended on March 14, 2009.
* Original Thread (Outdated).

Luigi
Ratio: 50:50 Even
Discussion ended on March 16th, 2009.
* Original Thread (Outdated)

Princess Zelda
Ratio: 50:50 Even
Discussion ended on April 29th, 2009.

Slight Advantage

Diddy Kong
Ratio: 55:45 Toon Link
Discussion ended on December 8th, 2008.

Donkey Kong
Ratio: 55:45 Toon Link
Discussion ended on December 18th, 2008.

Mario
Ratio: 55:45 Toon Link
Discussion ended on February 4th, 2009.

Ness
Ratio: 55:45 Toon Link
Discussion ended on February 25th, 2009.

Advantage

Lucas
Ratio: 60:40 Toon Link
Discussion ended on December 23rd, 2008.

Bowser
Ratio: 60:40 Toon Link
Discussion ended on January 3rd, 2009.

Ike
Ratio: 60:40 Toon Link
Discussion ended on January 26th, 2009.

Ice Climbers
Ratio: 60:40 Toon Link
Discussion ended on February 13th, 2009.

Samus
Ratio: 60:40 Toon Link
Discussion ended on February 17th, 2009.

Jigglypuff
Ratio: 60:40 Toon Link
Discussion ended on February 20th, 2009.

Yoshi
Ratio: 60:40 Toon Link
Discussion ended on February 21st, 2009.

Link
Ratio: 60:40 Toon Link
Discussion ended on March 2nd, 2009.

Sonic
Ratio: 60:40 Toon Link
Discussion ended on March 4th, 2009.

Large Advantage

Ganondorf
Ratio: 65:35 Toon Link
Discussion ended on February 18th, 2009.

Captain Falcon
Ratio: 70:30 Toon Link
Discussion ended on February 18th, 2009.

How in the world did the match ups in red happen?

 

[Pho]

How in the world did the match ups in red happen?

Most of that discussion was at the beginning of 09, or in 08. I can imagine times have changed since then. I'd say it's 50:50 with Peach, or maybe in our advantage slightly,(55:45 us?) and I'd say for sure that it's definitely 55:45 us against fox.

 

[VietGeek]

It's probably 50:50 for both Peach and Fox. Especially Fox since whoever gets momentum will probably start ****** the other person.

As for GnW, IDK, that's probably 50:50 too.

D3 is a tank that never dies. I think that might be adjusted to simply 55:45 his favor. Shouldn't go any lower than that though.

Kirby is probably 50:50 too. It'll just be a campfest since Kirby doesn't do anything but space for 8 minutes. <_<

 

[Gwobo]

Nice thread, very helpful. Thanks, VietGeek.

 

[Lobos]

the MK match up is lower too......70-30 is a bit much

 

[Shadow Moth]

No it isn't... -_-

Snake ***** us too hard though. There's no way it's almost even.

 

[TLMSheikant]

Snake is even a little in his favor >_>. Mk is like 60-40, 65-35 max.

 

[Shadow Moth]

I just noticed but why is the Kirby discussion locked? What if someone has something to say?

 

[Sosuke]

They wait until we discuss it again and it gets unlocked.

 

[A~Kid/ToonethLinkage]

Nowadays, Toon Link might be pretty even with Peach...

 

[TheJerm]

TL has an advantage over peach. She gives us lots of options to kill her. Fox is our favor too. GnW is probably even. Sanke like is 55-45 imo. But some mighht disagree on that. Marth is even. i'll look at the other ones later.

 

[Shadow Moth]

Isn't Fox 50-50.

AND HOW IS MARTH EVEN?

Bombs are our only advantage in that match-up. His sword cancels everything else.

 

[TheJerm]

well, fox isnt even, we can gimp him easily and all he has is his dair. Falco is even, and thats only cause of the chain grab. But its really hard for falco to kill us.

I'm not arguing the marth match up.. you guys never believe me on that one anyways.

 

[A~Kid/ToonethLinkage]

TL has an advantage over peach. She gives us lots of options to kill her. Fox is our favor too. GnW is probably even. Sanke like is 55-45 imo. But some mighht disagree on that. Marth is even. i'll look at the other ones later.

He does, I'll have to disagree on the Marth matchup. He obviously has the advantage. I think that the Snake matchup is even, but who cares, no one will believe me.

 

[Shadow Moth]

How do you guys know we won't believe you? Obviously your arguments need some sort of evidence but I'm sure we're all willing to take new ideas into consideration.

 

[TLMSheikant]

Im pretty sure we have a slight advantage (55-45) over kirby. Our spacing in general makes life hell to kirby. Tho he kills us faster and his upclose game is great.

 

[Sosuke]

Kirbys better offstage too

 

[TLMSheikant]

^ I forgot the most obvious thing LOL. Yeah, hes obviously better offstage.

 

[demonictoonlink]

Nah...At best we're even with Kirby.
Marth is NO better the 55-45
Same for Snake, but Snake is definitely harder for us...
MK is...65-35?

 

[Sosuke]

60-40 Mk.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

Hello!

We are currently discussing luigi vs toon link on the Luigi boards and would like an opinion from you.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=199357&page=21

 

[demonictoonlink]

FINALLY! Someone posts that in the right page ^^