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Social "Time to Tip the Scales!" - Robin Social Thread

Morbi

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I'm going to use he because:
1) I'm a guy
2) My Robin is a guy
3) I operate on efficiency
4) he is two characters shorter than s/he
5) he is one character shorter than she
6) he is grammatically correct (though completely insensitive) when referring to a gender neutral/unknown subject
7) I'm not going to be offended if people use she/her, and I think everyone should use what makes the most sense to them (he, she, s/he, he/she, her/him, etc.).

I hope none of you are offended, I mean well.

Also, Robin almost makes up for tripping in Brawl.

Edit: if anyone is seriously offended by this please let me know.
I am seriously offended by this sentiment, your blatant lack of respect for your fellow tacticians is bothersome. You do not need to come in here with your misogynistic ideals and force them upon us poor and innocent Robin fans by referring to her as a he. It is not polite, she is a lady! Who are we to decide what gender she is or is not?! That is up to her. Until I see proof that she is a male, I am going to use the default chromosomes (xx).
 

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It sounds pretty good, the major flaw I could see with it though is that since it would replace the tome that got used up, it could replace, say Robin's Wind Tome (which she seems to use for recovery) rendering Robin's recovery basically nonexistent until the Sword breaks.

I also see a problem with the fact that this would mean an entire set of non-custom special moves would have to be crafted for each special direction when Robin is using the Levin Sword in place of one of her tomes.

But that's just me.

Good food for speculation.
unless a broken tome just grants access to the levin sword and doesn't replace a special move, instead using that special move slot might cause that tome discarding animation, or it could just not be imputable, or be similar to olimar's neut b when he already has full pikmen. That could also possibly mean that the more tomes you have missing, the more powerful the levin sword is.

Alright. My Day 1 editing of the OP is over. I still have a little more work to do so bare with me. Hope you all are okay with things for now (at least for the most part).

And hopefully the next PotD (possibly more than 1 pic :)) will provide some Robin info that we're hungry for!

Please start with Robin's mechanics Sakurai
Good work, @Hokori I commend ye. I'll be staying up tonight so I'll post the pic of the day and description on the board if it relates to robin.
 
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NO. We are not referring to multiple people, so "they" is NOT suitable.
Sorry, that's one of my biggest pet peeves...
Coming from someone who wishes to fulfill the gaps in our language instead of follow rules that limit the evolution of our language, there is precedent to use they both plurally and singularly in the word "you". It's no more insulting than that.
 

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I am seriously offended by this sentiment, your blatant lack of respect for your fellow tacticians is bothersome. You do not need to come in here with your misogynistic ideals and force them upon us poor and innocent Robin fans by referring to her as a he. It is not polite, she is a lady! Who are we to decide what gender she is or is not?! That is up to her. Until I see proof that she is a male, I am going to use the default chromosomes (xx).
My dear fellow tactician. You of all people should be able to understand the need for efficiency in the heat of battle! :4robinm:
 

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I was rooting for you guys, congrats. That and the fact that the character intro video got me to make an account.
 

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It makes me even more fond of his altruistic characterization. Thank you so much Chrom, you will always be my favorite Lord (not even kidding). I respect you even more. Not only that, but he will help defend Robin on the battlefield as well. Such a great guy. Certainly husbanado material.

My dear fellow tactician. You of all people should be able to understand the need for efficiency in the heat of battle! :4robinm:
I understand. It is of the utmost importance and imperative to our survival. :4robinf:
 
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I...I might actually have a second main now. ;~; (Besides Lucina, of course, but that's a given.)

Sorry, Chrom. I still think you're awesome.
 
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I am seriously offended by this sentiment, your blatant lack of respect for your fellow tacticians is bothersome. You do not need to come in here with your misogynistic ideals and force them upon us poor and innocent Robin fans by referring to her as a he. It is not polite, she is a lady! Who are we to decide what gender she is or is not?! That is up to her. Until I see proof that she is a male, I am going to use the default chromosomes (xx).
I guess I'd be hostile all the time if I had two X-chromosomes too...
 

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If I wake up tomorrow, Robin's still going to be here right? Today's felt like some kind of bizarre dream, and I don't want S/he to go away!
 

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Coming from someone who wishes to fulfill the gaps in our language instead of follow rules that limit the evolution of our language, there is precedent to use they both plurally and singularly in the word "you". It's no more insulting than that.
As someone who typically prefers the evolution of language, the drift from plural-only they to plural-and-singular they is actually a little disturbing. I would rather come up with another word than be referred to in a plural-third-person manner (when I'm singular). You, while an example of a word that is used as both plural and singular, is a different grammatical person than they (so of course they should operate differently).

Also Hector is still my favorite blue-haired Lord.
 

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Shouldn't the OP update with a huge "We Did It" sign with Robin's official artwork?
 

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I...I might actually have a second main now. ;~; (Besides Lucina, of course, but that's a given.)

Sorry, Chrom. I still think you're awesome.
I have always had a second main; in fact, I believe that I am competent enough to main four or five characters effectively. After five; however, it is not necessarily practical. So I am not entirely sure who I should drop.

Usually, I main the Triforce: Link (Toon Link in Brawl), Zelda and Ganondorf. After that, my secondary mains are: Samus, Falco, I have been attempting to practice Marth, and I have a pocket Falcon (from extensive Ganondorf experience). I, unfortunately, dropped Jigglypuff in Brawl.

I was intending on picking up: Zero-Suit Samus and Charizard as they no long have detrimental mechanics attached to their characters. After that, I am most interested in the newcomers: Rosalina, Little Mac, and Palutena.

I am probably going to replace Palutena or something. It is difficult to decide. I am not a very effective tactician. :4robinf:
 
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I have similar issues, where practically I can have 4-5 mains.

For a long time it was Palutena, Villager, RH-rep, and Greninja, with an empty spot for possible characters I may like more than I expect.

But now with Robin ACTUALLY HAPPENING (WTH, it still doesn't feel real ... too good to be real ... ), Greninja is going down.

Also, unsure if the gender discussion is serious or not, but I'll refer to her as female since that's what I am and that's the avatar I used. I think it's acceptable for people to use the gender they so desire. Just like I also refer to villager as female because that's the one I expect to use.
 

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I am seriously offended by this sentiment, your blatant lack of respect for your fellow tacticians is bothersome. You do not need to come in here with your misogynistic ideals and force them upon us poor and innocent Robin fans by referring to her as a he. It is not polite, she is a lady! Who are we to decide what gender she is or is not?! That is up to her. Until I see proof that she is a male, I am going to use the default chromosomes (xx).
Please refrain from taking this 'joke' too far because it has gotten to the point where it no longer sounds like a joke and is seriously grinding my gears.

I guess I'd be hostile all the time if I had two X-chromosomes too...
Please refrain from being sexist. Similarly to what I stated above it is hard to tell if this is really a 'joke' anymore.

I don't mean to slam down the hammer but I don't want this thread to delve in to sensitive topics.
 

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I'm thinking a title like "Robin General Discussion: Suddenly Confirmed! Now That's Strategy!" is in order, considering the context with Gematsu myself. :X


As for mains, I told myself I would be maining Sonic like I did in Brawl, and Bowser as a second, if and only if Robin was deconfirmed.


But, well, today happened. So I'm looking at one main and two secondaries now.
 
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Please refrain from taking this 'joke' too far because it has gotten to the point where it no longer sounds like a joke and is seriously grinding my gears.


Please refrain from being sexist. Similarly to what I stated above it is hard to tell if this is really a 'joke' anymore.

I don't mean to slam down the hammer but I don't want this thread to delve in to sensitive topics.
I can take the joke as far as I want, good sir.:4robinm::4robinf:

I'm thinking a title like "Robin General Discussion: Suddenly Confirmed! Now That's Strategy!" is in order, considering the context with Gematsu myself. :X


As for mains, I told myself I would be maining Sonic like I did in Brawl, and Bowser as a second, if and only if Robin was deconfirmed.


But, well, today happened. So I'm looking at one main and two secondaries now.
"Time to Tip the Scales" is classic, timeless. I do not want it to change... ever. :c
 
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As someone who typically prefers the evolution of language, the drift from plural-only they to plural-and-singular they is actually a little disturbing. I would rather come up with another word than be referred to in a plural-third-person manner (when I'm singular). You, while an example of a word that is used as both plural and singular, is a different grammatical person than they (so of course they should operate differently).

Also Hector is still my favorite blue-haired Lord.
To be fair, I'm more of a proponent of creating a new word as well, but I still support the concept of adapting our current words as well. After all, they has been used singularly by such authors as Geoffrey Chaucer, Jane Austin, and William Shakespeare.

I'd go with yall and ne/nem/nir if I had the choice. But, even then, the ne pronouns don't sound perfect themselves. They're just the best out of the common ones.
 

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I have always had a second main; in fact, I believe that I am competent enough to main four or five characters effectively. After five; however, it is not necessarily practical. So I am not entirely sure who I should drop.

Usually, I main the Triforce: Link (Toon Link in Brawl), Zelda and Ganondorf. After that, my secondary mains are: Samus, Falco, I have been attempting to practice Marth, and I have a pocket Falcon (from extensive Ganondorf experience). I, unfortunately, dropped Jigglypuff in Brawl.

I was intending on picking up: Zero-Suit Samus and Charizard as they no long have detrimental mechanics attached to their characters. After that, I am most interested in the newcomers: Rosalina, Little Mac, and Palutena.

I am probably going to replace Palutena or something. It is difficult to decide. I am not a very effective tactician. :4robinf:
I've had the completely opposite approach. I've been solely a Link specialist for the past few years. Maybe this time my favorite 3DS game getting representation will give me much more of an urge to branch out a bit. 83
 

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Ok, so if some one wants to try, I can send you my vid to see if you can recover audio they may or may not be there (no longer using that webcam software for sure.) For now, I'm currently uploading my audio-less Robin and Lucina reaction, so try to read my lips I guess. I'll post the link soon.

Edit: When my head goes in to my hands is when I first seen Chrom:

 
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I'm happy robin got in. They were the one character I actually wanted in smash 4. I'm happy greninja got in but I was never looking forward to any character besides robin. I'm a bit sad Chrom was deconfirmed in such a way though. Sakurai trolled hard with it.
 

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I'm incredibly new to this site, but I just wanted to share an idea I had about tomes.

I think Robin will have a down special that solely charges his tome, to 4 different levels. His other specials could be thunder, fire, and wind. When you use those specials, it will cast the variation (El, arc, etc) that corresponds to the level that you charged the tome to with down special.

I think this theory could explain why the different thunders were shown without being charged. As for thoron, it could be that charge is interruptable with another special and the thunder special was cast once the fourth level of charge was reached.

So this idea would mean that fire and air also have different levels, and Nosferato is not a special, maybe a smash?

Just an idea, thoughts?
 
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I'm happy robin got in. They were the one character I actually wanted in smash 4. I'm happy greninja got in but I was never looking forward to any character besides robin. I'm a bit sad Chrom was deconfirmed in such a way though. Sakurai trolled hard with it.
Robin is also the one character that I actually wanted. I thought that I supported other characters, but that was before I met Robin. That was when I realized that I "desired" characters or that I was fond of characters, or perhaps I wanted to "see them" in Smash. There was always a burning passion for Robin that I cannot describe. She was... different.
 

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To be fair, I'm more of a proponent of creating a new word as well, but I still support the concept of adapting our current words as well. After all, they has been used singularly by such authors as Geoffrey Chaucer, Jane Austin, and William Shakespeare.

I'd go with yall and ne/nem/nir if I had the choice. But, even then, the ne pronouns don't sound perfect themselves. They're just the best out of the common ones.
Have you read Chaucer? The man couldn't even write in proper English! ;)
I wouldn't exactly call Jane Austen the pinnacle of creativity or excellence in terms of grammar. She writes a good story, though.
My greatest disappointment with Ol' Willy is that he somehow failed to invent a decent pronoun, and he used "they" instead.

There are a whole bunch of smart tacticians on this board, though. Surely we can come up with something!
 

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List of characters I want:
  1. Bandana Dee
  2. Robin
  3. Ridley
  4. Pac Man
  5. Sceptile
 

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Nosferatu is the only move in Smash I can think of that heals the user while simultaneously suppressing and damaging the target. That alone may be reason enough for me to pick Robin up as one of my mains. Heals are usually risky and/or situational at best. Really curious to know the extent of its application.
 
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I just noticed something that I'm not sure anyone pointed out.

Go to 1:26 at the reveal trailer and watch the symbol on Robin's tome as he charges up his attack; you may need to slow it down. The symbol actually changes as he continues to charge it up.
 

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I love the idea of hooded Robin, and @Your Hero 's suggestion of a Validar skin is something I would really like to see. Aside from that, I assume we'll get Villager-esque variations like @DaDavid mentioned.
 

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The weird/awesome part is that this thread experience a sort of rebirth (awakening if you will), seemingly a few months before the reveal. The general FE thread stopped and all discussions moved to the Robin thread. It's a great feeling that only adds to my excitement for the game. It's like the Smash community was all collectively preparing for Robin, at least here on Smashboards.

The Lucina thread had the same thing, but not so much.
 

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Gotta say, I never cared too much for Robin, not being a Fire Emblem player, but after watching s/he fight in the reveal trailer, s/he seems outrageously awesome. Can't wait to add him to the ever growing list of Smash4 characters to secondary.

Also, congratulations on the reveal!
 

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I'm incredibly new to this site, but I just wanted to share an idea I had about tomes.

I think Robin will have a down special that solely charges his tome, to 4 different levels. His other specials could be thunder, fire, and wind. When you use those specials, it will cast the variation (El, arc, etc) that corresponds to the level that you charged the tome to with down special.

I think this theory could explain why the different thunders were shown without being charged. As for thoron, it could be that charge is interruptable with another special and the thunder special was cast once the fourth level of charge was reached.

So this idea would mean that fire and air also have different levels, and Nosferato is not a special, maybe a smash?

Just an idea, thoughts?
The main consensus in this thread seems to be that his neut b is thunder and is able to be charged much like Samus' neut B and be stored for later. also that nosferatu, elwind, and archfire are set moves that are mapped to down b, up b, and side b respectively.

Nosferatu is the only move in Smash I can think of that heals the user while simultaneously suppressing and damaging the target. That alone may be reason enough for me to pick Robin up as one of my mains. Heals are usually risky and/or situational at best. Really curious to know the extent of its application.
:ivysaur:'s Pummel in PM heals him while damaging the opponent, I'm also quite sure the same is for some of his aerials.

I just noticed something that I'm not sure anyone pointed out.

Go to 1:26 at the reveal trailer and watch the symbol on Robin's tome as he charges up his attack; you may need to slow it down. The symbol actually changes as he continues to charge it up.
A lot of us have found pointed this out, however nobody has found any real importance for it as it couldn't be used as an indicator because of how small and unnoticeable the difference is ( even less so than the gleam of samus' arm canon when it is fully charged. )

Do you have any ideas?
 
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Robin is also the one character that I actually wanted. I thought that I supported other characters, but that was before I met Robin. That was when I realized that I "desired" characters or that I was fond of characters, or perhaps I wanted to "see them" in Smash. There was always a burning passion for Robin that I cannot describe. She was... different.
This was more or less my experience, which is why it's so upsetting that I find myself so underwhelmed by this reveal. I'm hoping that some further clarification on the character actually works might hype me up a bit more.

...but I'm still probably not going to get over those Nerf sword swings he's got.
 
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